SSB4 Mechanics and Physics

[jruzzin]

Does anyone know if they plan to make it like they did brawl? Aka not good? Or did they realize how bad that was and plan to make everything like melee so Project M doesn't have to again?

 

[Oddyesy]

It's gonna be in between Melee and Brawl, I've heard.

 

[Mind Ranger]

I think it will be a mix of Brawl and Melee, hopefully they balance it out well or it will feel messy.

 

[Dark Phazon]

I actually dont really like the cutting through air visuals on the attacks...but its ok..cant really see if you have hit the guy etc...

 

[Oddyesy]

I actually dont really like the cutting through air visuals on the attacks...but its ok..cant really see if you have hit the guy etc...

But.. I kinda like them.. but I'm having an internal battle between if it would look better.

 

[jruzzin]

I don't like the sound of that. Melee was soooo much better.

 

[Renji64]

This is as good as it is gonna get. it can only go up from here since we hit the bottom with the last installment.

 

[Dark Phazon]

This is as good as it is gonna get. it can only go up from here since we hit the bottom with the last installment.

Hehehe you sound like me on a bad day.

Brawl being bad is about beaten to death as hard as the Ridley is TOO BiG argument...if not more...if thats possible...

 

[Snakeyes]

Just got off the phone with Sakurai. He says that Smash 4 will be as hardcore as Melee, and then some. They'll even tighten the L-cancel window to weed out the scrubs.

 

[jruzzin]

Just got off the phone with Sakurai. He says that Smash 4 will be as hardcore as Melee, and then some. They'll even tighten the L-cancel window to weed out the scrubs.

If only. We all know melee was better so why not go back to that?

 

[MoonlapseOpethian]

If only. We all know melee was better so why not go back to that?

$$$$$$

 

[Dark Phazon]

$$$$$$

I think Deoxys would be a awsome addition too.

 

[[Corn]]

Its going to have no gravity or hitstun and they scrapped the idea of playing with anything that isn't motion control based. The only stages are poke floats and temple. The only items are stars.


Am I doing it right?

 

[Infinitroll]

The games has been confirmed to be between melee and brawl. If yoh look up the live demo from e3, that appears to be the case. Looks like hitstun is also inbetween melee and brawl (from what i could tell)

 

[BaPr]

Why are people so negative? Lets think of why Brawl was awesome...nevermind I got nothing.
just joking around, but the reason most of you hate Brawl was probably because how bad it was competitively, am I right? Also, the game wasn't made for competitive use. It was a NON COMPETITIVE game for NON COMPETITIVE players on a NON COMPETITIVE console. I mean seriously, when would a hardcore gamer choose a Wii over Xbox or Ps3. But I really like the idea of it being in between.

 

[MargnetMan23]

I liked playing melee when I still had a console to play it on (I lost my wii in a complicated way and I can't play gamecube games on a wii u XD) Currently I fully expect the new smash game to be closer to melee's general game speed and all except with less techs like wavedashing and stuff like that

 

[Mind Ranger]

This is as good as it is gonna get. it can only go up from here since we hit the bottom with the last installment.

Oy, oy, so much hate for brawl.
I feel you though, I hope what he meant by in-between was all the good things from melee (play style and speed), and all the good things from brawl (extra content).
If he gives us this, then I'm sure we will all be happy
(But I'm pretty sure he meant speed, and if that's the case......it shouldn't be too bad.)
We can only go up!

 

[IhaveSonar]

Brawl is a good game with a sizable competitive community.

I myself certainly prefer Melee and love Project M, but people need to acknowledge that Brawl isn't terribad. It's still a good game.

On topic: SSB4 is confirmed to be between Melee and Brawl in regards to speed, which I am hyped for. Hopefully hitstun and the ledges will be more like Melee as well.
And tripping is gone. :D

 

[Mind Ranger]

And tripping is gone. :D

I could see how tripping would be a nuisance to some people but it really wasn't for me. It just never happened to me when I played.
I am glad they took it out though, it was more of a luck factor then a skill factor....and SSB is about skill.

 

[BaPr]

I could see how tripping would be a nuisance to some people but it really wasn't for me. It just never happened to me when I played.
I am glad they took it out though, it was more of a luck factor then a skill factor....and SSB is about skill.

You are one of the lucky ones, I lost many times because of that stupid trip in brawl. The worst one was where samus was about to use her final smash and I was about to run away, but I tripped and got caught.

 

[MargnetMan23]

You are one of the lucky ones, I lost many times because of that stupid trip in brawl. The worst one was where samus was about to use her final smash and I was about to run away, but I tripped and got caught.

Personally though my only friend is normally a level 9 cpu I trip quite a bit put I rarely get punished for it so for me it's not a big problem but it's certainly a good thing that it got removed.

 

[greenluigiman2]

Does anyone know if they plan to make it like they did brawl? Aka not good? Or did they realize how bad that was and plan to make everything like melee so Project M doesn't have to again?

Melee elitists are annoying as hell:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/super-smash-bros-brawl

Just because you like Melee the most doesn't mean that everything that's not Melee isn't good. 64 wasn't like Melee and that's my favorite of the 3.

 

[grizby2]

ahh.. good' ol melee vs brawl, so unavoidable.
I guess you can say these threads are...

THREADS OF FATE.

 

[greenluigiman2]

ahh.. good' ol melee vs brawl, so unavoidable.
I guess you can say these threads are...

THREADS OF FATE.

He's a noob

jruzzin
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[mimgrim]

Why are people so negative? Lets think of why Brawl was awesome...nevermind I got nothing.
just joking around, but the reason most of you hate Brawl was probably because how bad it was competitively, am I right? Also, the game wasn't made for competitive use. It was a NON COMPETITIVE game for NON COMPETITIVE players on a NON COMPETITIVE console. I mean seriously, when would a hardcore gamer choose a Wii over Xbox or Ps3. But I really like the idea of it being in between.

Except Brawl wasn't bad competivly and still isn't. The competitive scene is still there and going strong to. Brawl is probably going to end up staying stronger competitivly after Smash4's release as there are gonna be people who found Brawl to be so great that they will keep it alive, just like how Melee is right now.

Regardless though, I believe TC to be a troll. :L

 

[grizby2]

He's a noob

jruzzin
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as foretold my friend, as foretold

 

[jruzzin]

Melee elitists are annoying as hell:
http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii/super-smash-bros-brawl

Just because you like Melee the most doesn't mean that everything that's not Melee isn't good. 64 wasn't like Melee and that's my favorite of the 3.

He's a noob

jruzzin
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Just because i'm new on here doesn't mean i'm new to smash. Not even close. The 64 smash was a different time my friend, which I loved dearly as well. So don't bring up invalid arguments that I haven't even commented on. Brawl was a step down from melee, i'm not saying it wasn't fun for a while, but that's a fact.

 

[mimgrim]

Just because i'm new on here doesn't mean i'm new to smash. Not even close. The 64 smash was a different time my friend, which I loved dearly as well. So don't bring up invalid arguments that I haven't even commented on. Brawl was a step down from melee, i'm not saying it wasn't fun for a while, but that's a opinion.

Fixed~

It literally cannot be proven the Brawl is a step down from Melee as the whole thing is highly subjective. There are going to be those who feel it is a step down and other who feel it is a step up. But in the end all of that opinion based.

 

[greenluigiman2]

Just because i'm new on here doesn't mean i'm new to smash. Not even close. The 64 smash was a different time my friend, which I loved dearly as well. So don't bring up invalid arguments that I haven't even commented on.

What are you even talking about? I never said you were new to Smash. I was just pointing out that you signed up here yesterday and your first thread is bashing Brawl and praising Melee. Also, the reason I brought up 64 is because I prefer it to Melee. I think it's better than Melee. But I don't think Smash 4 needs to be anything like 64 for it to be good. Smash 4 doesn't have to be like any of the previous games to be good. Melee fans can't seem to handle that though. That's why Project M exists.

Brawl was a step down from melee, i'm not saying it wasn't fun for a while, but that's a fact.

No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion.

It literally cannot be proven the Brawl is a step down from Melee as the whole thing is highly subjective. There are going to be those who feel it is a step down and other who feel it is a step up. But in the end all of that opinion based.

Thank you

 

[jruzzin]

What are you even talking about? I never said you were new to Smash. I was just pointing out that you signed up here yesterday and your first thread is bashing Brawl and praising Melee. Also, the reason I brought up 64 is because I prefer it to Melee. I think it's better than Melee. But I don't think Smash 4 needs to be anything like 64 for it to be good. Smash 4 doesn't have to be like any of the previous games to be good. Melee fans can't seem to handle that though. That's why Project M exists.


No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion.

Fair enough, the fact is that melee is a more skilled more technical game that more technical players prefer, and brawl can be a more laid back casual gamer game. But those non competitive players also loved melee, it pleases both groups, so why not make the SSB4 mechanics like that?

 

[greenluigiman2]

Fair enough, the fact is that melee is a more skilled more technical game that more technical players prefer, and brawl can be a more laid back casual gamer game. But those non competitive players also loved melee, it pleases both groups, so why not make the SSB4 mechanics like that?

The non competitive players loved Brawl even more though, overwhelmingly so. Brawl is the go to game on college campuses. That's why Sakurai has said that he wants to find a happy medium. It's not going to be another Brawl, but it's also not going to be the Melee 2.0 (ala Project M) that Melee elitists have wet dreams about. Melee, Brawl, 64 and 3DS/Wii U can (and will) all coexist. No need for any more Project M-esque fan interference.

 

[mimgrim]

Fair enough, the fact is that melee is a more skilled more technical game that more technical players prefer, and brawl can be a more laid back casual gamer game. But those non competitive players also loved melee, it pleases both groups, so why not make the SSB4 mechanics like that?

Again it is not fact the Melee is more skilled then Brawl and totally subjective, as for the tecnical aspect yea your right there but guess what that doesn't mean it's a bad thing as there are some people out there who just aren't good at technical aspects. you wanna know something else? Brawl is still played competivily and is still going strong competitivly and will probably continue to stay competitivly strong, just like Melee, as there are going to be people who look at brawl like there are people who look at Melee. Heck 64 is still played competitivly even to this day. In fact you people that are bashing Brawl so much are the minority of Melee players, albeit very vocal, as most don't even care and are more laid back about it.

 

[jruzzin]

I disagree with you guys. But I guess that's the reason they're making a happy medium, to try and please fans like this

 

[mimgrim]

I disagree with you guys. But I guess that's the reason they're making a happy medium, to try and please fans like this

Fans like what? I haven't even stated what game I prefer in this thread. All I'm doing is correcting on what you call fact to actually be an opinion and on the fact that it has been said Brawl isn't competitive when results say otherwise.

 

[jruzzin]

Fans like what? I haven't even stated what game I prefer in this thread. All I'm doing is correcting on what you call fact to actually be an opinion and on the fact that it has been said Brawl isn't competitive when results say otherwise.

Are you serious? Then stop causing arguments for the sake of causing an argument.

 

[mimgrim]

Are you serious? Then stop causing arguments for the sake of causing an argument.

Who said I was causing arguments for the sake of arguing? I don't like it when people call something a fact when it is actually a opinion or it is a completly false fact, if anything you left your posts open to arguments by calling X fact (like Melee being better the Brawl is not a fact but an opinion or Brawl being better then Melee is not a fact but an opinion) when it is actually an opinion or when you called Y fact and it is completly false (like saying Brawl isn't competitive when results have shown it is still played competivily to this day).

 

[BlitznBurst]

Its going to have no gravity or hitstun and they scrapped the idea of playing with anything that isn't motion control based. The only stages are poke floats and temple. The only items are stars.


Am I doing it right?

What, no New Pork City?

 

[Dark Phazon]

I liked playing melee when I still had a console to play it on (I lost my wii in a complicated way and I can't play gamecube games on a wii u XD) Currently I fully expect the new smash game to be closer to melee's general game speed and all except with less techs like wavedashing and stuff like that

Thats how i see it too tbh.

 

[Ulti-Bman]

Why are people so negative? Lets think of why Brawl was awesome...nevermind I got nothing.
just joking around, but the reason most of you hate Brawl was probably because how bad it was competitively, am I right? Also, the game wasn't made for competitive use. It was a NON COMPETITIVE game for NON COMPETITIVE players on a NON COMPETITIVE console. I mean seriously, when would a hardcore gamer choose a Wii over Xbox or Ps3. But I really like the idea of it being in between.

Technically, the game is meant to be competitive since it's a 4-player fighter. Also, the Wii had its share of pretty tough games. if it was meant for people who didn't want to compete, then why is there multiplayer in the first place? I know Brawl isn't as hardcore as Melee, but this you guys make it seem like it's Wii Fit or something.....

 

[Ulevo]

Who said I was causing arguments for the sake of arguing? I don't like it when people call something a fact when it is actually a opinion or it is a completly false fact, if anything you left your posts open to arguments by calling X fact (like Melee being better the Brawl is not a fact but an opinion or Brawl being better then Melee is not a fact but an opinion) when it is actually an opinion or when you called Y fact and it is completly false (like saying Brawl isn't competitive when results have shown it is still played competivily to this day).

Mimgrim, it isn't an opinion that Melee requires more skill to play, technical or otherwise. There's more to learn, there's more options and relevant depth, there's more viable playstyles, and its more technically demanding. From a intellectual and technical standpoint, any aspect as a player that makes you good at Smash you require more of in every form while playing Melee in order to succeed.

The idea that Sakurai purposely designed it this way and you would deny it is disappointing.