Sporadic character updates

[susu_atari]

We've now waited longer than ever for a new character update. Back in Summer, we were getting a new character almost every week. If we don't get a new character by the end of the week, it will have been 3 whole weeks since King Dedede.

This seperation is a clear sign that there is a limit to how many characters will be revealed before Brawl is released. A character every 3 weeks until release (in Japan) would mean 3 or 4 more.

Also, if Brawl hadn't been delayed, and we'd have seen a new character every 1-2 weeks, that also would have been 3 or 4 more characters, so the limit remains.

This is evidence (although, not really proof) that the characters we're seeing are the starting roster (except maybe the 3rd party characters). This is all still speculation, even if it is founded in logic.

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

I don't think that Snake and Sonic will be starters.

 

[True Fool]

I think we're getting one more character update. I thing it will be the final third-party canidate. Or at least the final third-party character to be announced, I think it's possible for there to be one or two more.

 

[Chout]

ummm..... i think if were going to use logic it would be logical to suggest that any character on the dojo that has WARNING! CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING is going to be an unlockable just like every smash brother game.

 

[susu_atari]

I think we're getting one more character update. I thing it will be the final third-party canidate. Or at least the final third-party character to be announced, I think it's possible for there to be one or two more.

That's possible, of course. If the 3rd party characters aren't starters, that would be a 21-character starting roster.

 

[Cog]

I highly dought that DeDeDe will be a starter.

 

[True Fool]

That's possible, of course. If the 3rd party characters aren't starters, that would be a 21-character starting roster.

Hmmm, when you say it, 21 sounds like an odd amount for starters. Maybe I'm just being nitpicky, but somehow I think Sakurai'd try to make it a rounder number. Maybe if one of those characters was "secretly" an unlockable, PKMN trainer for example, it might sound better to me.

 

[burrito]

ummm..... i think if were going to use logic it would be logical to suggest that any character on the dojo that has WARNING! CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING is going to be an unlockable just like every smash brother game.

Logic doesn't point towards that. We can say any character that hasn't been revealed in some other medium gets the WARNING! CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING, not necessarily that they are unlockable. It's just how Smash Bros. reveals characters.

 

[Demon Kirby]

ummm..... i think if were going to use logic it would be logical to suggest that any character on the dojo that has WARNING! CHALLENGER IS APPROACHING is going to be an unlockable just like every smash brother game.

 

[BigRick]

It seems that character updates are for starters only...

I would be the most logical thing to do

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

Did they release any secret character in Melee before the game was released?

 

[UsernameLink]

I dont know why anyone would think that all the characters annouced would be starts. Kirby having 3 reps at the start?

 

[susu_atari]

To me, I don't see why Sakurai would have shown us unlockable characters (except 3rd party) when we can expect a starting roster of about 25, considering we'll probably see around 40 characters in total.

Basically, if we HAVE seen unlockables, there would be no reason to slow down the character updates.

EDIT: Does anybody understand my reasoning? Does it make sense?

 

[bigman40]

It seems that character updates are for starters only...

I would be the most logical thing to do

i agree cause when you think about it people will want to play sonic or snake as soon as they get the game. if they were to find out that they needed to unlock them then it might feel like a disapointment. BTW most likely one more character update will come then i think the minor updates will continue. Sakurai most likely wouldn't want to waste all the characters if they delayed the game.
It shouldn't be too hard to keep one's mind off of brawl. After all even though most people say that they can't wait for things to happen, they still end up waiting for them.

 

[2.72]

I dont know why anyone would think that all the characters annouced would be starts. Kirby having 3 reps at the start?

I think that, according to one of SamuraiPanda's translations, Sakurai said so. Of course, he may change his mind. That happens.

I'll try to find a link and edit this post, unless Youko closes the thread beforehand. This seems likely.

EDIT:

#251-260: Sakurai will make Snake (and all other guest, i.e. 3rd party, characters) into an unlockable character. Sakurai will also eventually reveal all the secret characters (most likely what he did when melee was released: give details on a single starting character every week until release, then after release, give details on one secret character every week until they've all been done).

Obviously, the one character per week idea has not been followed, hence this thread. However, much of the information in the translations has proved accurate: the speed is moderated, aerial combat emphasized, one character not returning (Ness more or less deconfirmed), and so on.

 

[Drclaw411]

Kirby having 3 starting reps = False.
Snake and Sonic starters = False.
Olimar/Falcon not starters = False.
Ike starting, Marth not = False.
Lucas starting = False.

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

Kirby having 3 starting reps = False.
Snake and Sonic starters = False.
Olimar/Falcon not starters = False.
Ike starting, Marth not = False.
Lucas starting = False.

Why don't you think Lucas is starting?

 

[burrito]

To me, I don't see why Sakurai would have shown us unlockable characters (except 3rd party) when we can expect a starting roster of about 25, considering we'll probably see around 40 characters in total.

Basically, if we HAVE seen unlockables, there would be no reason to slow down the character updates.

EDIT: Does anybody understand my reasoning? Does it make sense?

Yeah, I understand your reasoning and agree with you. This does point towards the characters so far being starters. Personally, I do think that they are all starters, even Snake, Sonic, and King Dedede.

Some might argue, though, that the final roster will actually end up being much less and that the lack of updates proves that.

 

[Drclaw411]

according to...translations, Sakurai said so

ahem...Up Until Now.

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

Lucas is going to be a starting character.

 

[Chaosblade77]

The characters are probably so sparse now because of the delay. He was not expecting to have two extra months to reveal characters, and he does not want to reveal too much so there are still some surprises. Regardless of whether any of the currently listed characters are unlockable, we are still going to have one awesome starting roster.

Hopefully we will get a character soon though...

 

[burrito]

The only thing that Sakurai said was that he would reveal all characters. He never said he would reveal all characters before the game was released.

On a side note, I have over 1000 posts! WOW!

 

[Drclaw411]

He never said he would reveal all characters before the game was released.

**** move.

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

I'm pretty sure they released unlockables on the Melee site before the release.

 

[burrito]

I'm pretty sure they released unlockables on the Melee site before the release.

I know they didn't. All unlockables were kept until after the game was released in Japan. Although there was probably at least one unlockable revealed before the American release.

Edit:

Kirby having 3 starting reps = False.
Snake and Sonic starters = False.
Olimar/Falcon not starters = False.
Ike starting, Marth not = False.
Lucas starting = False.

WTF are you talking about?

 

[Magnacor]

To all people who think these are the starters, here's a few reasons to think otherwise:
1. He said he wanted to make third-party characters unlockable.
2. He released 3 Kirby characters already. They will likely be the only Kirby characters so I doubt he would make them all starters.
3. He releases these characters to raise hype. He shows us the characters that are cool so the people who are new to the series will want to buy the game.
4. There are other newcomers who will likely not be starters.
5. I really can't think of a five. I just wanted to end on a five.

 

[susu_atari]

I haven't understood a single one of Drclaw411's posts. Does anyone else?

Also, there's nothing to suggest that there won't be 3 Kirby starters, but it does seem odd to me that King Dedede was revealed already, if he wasn't a starter.

 

[DraginHikari]

Well all I can say if there not going to release very many more characters it will be odd update schedule till January...

But really whether he would reveal secret characters or not hasn't really been said I don't think...

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

Well, come January 24th we will know for sure.

 

[KAFOR]

I think Mr. Sakurai is just slowing down with revealing characters. It is true that he revealed a new character like every other week back in July/August, but he's long abandoned that pace. This, in my opinion, is just so he wouldn't reveal all of the goodies and treats before the release. The more surprises, the better. I do bloody wish that Mewtwo were at least confirmed for November 15 update.

 

[RedKnight]

I expect at least one more 3rd party character

 

[susu_atari]

Well all I can say if there not going to release very many more characters it will be odd update schedule till January...

But really whether he would reveal secret characters or not hasn't really been said I don't think...

There's still a lot of special move/final smash updates remaining. A LOT...

You could easily fill 3 weeks full of them, without taking into account characters that haven't been announed yet.

Hopefully it won't get to the point where we're getting Pikachu, Donkey Kong and Yoshi's special moves, but I get the feeling that it will. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Also, I'm sure there's going to be a few more stages that we can look forward to seeing.

 

[Jenkins: Spy Monkey]

2. He released 3 Kirby characters already. They will likely be the only Kirby characters so I doubt he would make them all starters.

For the life of me, I can not figure out why people think this. Kirby has three characters at the start...So what? What is so bad about Kirby getting 3 characters off the bat. There is no reason this can't happen, and to automatically assume otherwise is just mind-boggling.

 

[Meta_Knight_14]

I don't think they'll bother announcing any more moves of returning characters unless they've been tweaked in some way (like Link's new boomerrang). We already know what those moves are going to be, so there's really no need in updating us on that.

Then again, we also knew there'd be 3 taunts, and the return of the entrances, so the "overstating the obvious" doesn't seem to be a factor.

I personally wouldn't care if they announced another character before the release. I wanna be shocked when I get my hands on the game and start unlocking things. That's why I've sworn off SSE videos, I wanna be completely surprised when I play it.

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

There's still a lot of special move/final smash updates remaining. A LOT...

You could easily fill 3 weeks full of them, without taking into account characters that haven't been announed yet.

Hopefully it won't get to the point where we're getting Pikachu, Donkey Kong and Yoshi's special moves, but I get the feeling that it will. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Also, I'm sure there's going to be a few more stages that we can look forward to seeing.

Plus other AT's and items what we KNOW are in already, from the demo.

Smart Bomb
Gardevior
Bonsly
Dialga
Palkia
Jill Dozer
Advance Wars tanks
Nintendogs
Saki/Airan Jo from Sin and Punishment
Sea Urchin from Clu Clu Land
Mario Kart Lighting
Deku Nut
Spring from Mario

 

[blooagga]

Kirby having 3 starting reps = False.
Snake and Sonic starters = False.
Olimar/Falcon not starters = False.
Ike starting, Marth not = False.
Lucas starting = False.
You = False

Sorry you forgot something in there.... ^^^^^^^^

 

[WarMachine]

For the life of me, I can not figure out why people think this. Kirby has three characters at the start...So what? What is so bad about Kirby getting 3 characters off the bat. There is no reason this can't happen, and to automatically assume otherwise is just mind-boggling.

There's nothing wrong with it, but I think where most people are coming from with this is the fact is that in melee no single series (that had more than one rep) started out with all of its characters as starters. And at the moment, it seems unlikely that kirby will be getting any additional reps.

 

[MegatronPwnsYou]

There's nothing wrong with it, but I think where most people are coming from with this is the fact is that in melee no single series (that had more than one rep) started out with all of its characters as starters. And at the moment, it seems unlikely that kirby will be getting any additional reps.

The only other possible rep I can think of for Kirby is Knuckle Joe. But, we know his status.

 

[WarMachine]

The only other possible rep I can think of for Kirby is Knuckle Joe. But, we know his status.

I died a little when I saw that update.

Knuckle joe looks so badass.

 

[Tony_]

Kirby having 3 starting reps = False.
Snake and Sonic starters = False.
Olimar/Falcon not starters = False.
Ike starting, Marth not = False.
Lucas starting = False.

Your false.

Falcon will be hidden unless proven on the Dojo.
Ike will be starting. Suck it up Marth ***.
Lucas will be starting as well. No reason for him not to.