Spectator Match Gambling - Why it won't work

[Vasilicus]

Here's what I think and I see this in a lot of online games that have tried this. Basically a lot more people are going to want to play than just watch. Since the matches are random you can't have like a bunch of players choose the same match to watch and bet on. So, mathematically, the chances of even one player watching a match at any given time is miniscule. Who are you gambling against? Unless you can bet on multiple matches at once (Doesn't appear to be an option) looks like another failed addition.

EDIT: Yes this is my first post in 16 months, get over it.

 

[Jisike]

How do you know that Nintendo isn't only going to be broadcasting one live match at a time?

 

[Vasilicus]

Sry double post

 

[Tobi-]

Here's what I think and I see this in a lot of online games that have tried this. Basically a lot more people are going to want to play than just watch. Since the matches are random you can't have like a bunch of players choose the same match to watch and bet on. So, mathematically, the chances of even one player watching a match at any given time is miniscule. Who are you gambling against? Unless you can bet on multiple matches at once (Doesn't appear to be an option) looks like another failed addition.

EDIT: Yes this is my first post in 16 months, get over it.

There are too many threads like this. just reply in the one in the dojo update or the one in general brawl section.

anyway, you do know there are alot of people playing online. I mean, in millions. Not everyone playing brawl will want to play anonymously. maybe in the first month or so. Even if it is a failed addition, atleast its something different and worth a try. I don't think Sakurai was really expecting this mode to be something everyone uses often. Most people will start using it when they need coins to buy unlockables or trophies, which is when adventure mode or classic mode are complete.

give it time. it'll work. I know i'll start using it when something I want Hyrule Classic stage for 19,000 coins and if I bet 500 coins at a time I'll get it faster.

 

[Vasilicus]

Flood control. If say each match is an average of 5 minutes and they show the full matches (necessary for the gambling feature to be fair and fun) then they will have to do multiple matches. Lots of them. Unless they only show like 0.2% of the matches they're sent, in which case they would have to have some guy to pick which match to use and which not to use. You can never be sure that some idiot noob isn't going to send in a 99 minute long match he recorded overnight.

 

[VanillaMummy]

Its pretty simple how it works.

Random matches are chosen that are being played. When you choose to let your matches sent it, there is a very small chance that it was be the one to be sent in out of the thousands of fights that are sent in.

If your match does get sent in, people using the gambling thing will watch your match probably the instant it is over and every one that is "watching" sees the same match.

 

[Tobi-]

Its pretty simple how it works.

Random matches are chosen that are being played. When you choose to let your matches sent it, there is a very small chance that it was be the one to be sent in out of the thousands of fights that are sent in.

If your match does get sent in, people using the gambling thing will watch your match probably the instant it is over and every one that is "watching" sees the same match.

yea that's what I'm thinking. Basically it records your match, and you watch the recorded match and bet on whos going to win. If only you could do this for wii freind code fights. Now that would be nice.

 

[Jmax]

It would work better if you can join a pending match as a spectator inside the lobby.

 

[Magnacor]

Dojo:
The content that is broadcast is the same for everyone spectating (if your connection timing is the same), so it should be fun to have people in different environments watch and cheer the same match.

With only one match visible at a time, you are guarenteed that there will be at least one other gambler.

 

[error_alt_delete]

why do you guys think you have to be betting against someone?
its very simple and basic, you guys over analyse these things.
1.you are betting on 1 out of X number of people.
2.if there are two people, you get double youre cash, 4 people quadruple youre cash, ect.
3.you dont have to bet against anyone, its like those games were you pick one out of four cups hopeing youll win.
4.the matches are probably recorded off of the online matches, and we know people arnt going to do a 99 minute match online....hopefully.
5.there may be a filter that limits the length of the matches recorded, i.e. it will only recond matches 5mins or less.

I am sure nintendo knows what their doing, you give them too little credit.

 

[joeysmash]

its Nintendo, there not gonna mess it up.

 

[Tonic_Sonic]

Well maybe when choosing a game to gamble on, it automatically selects a game that already has some one else in it over one that doesn't. Making it easier to gamble against other people.

 

[ValiantVernon]

i think they will find a way personally : )

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

its Nintendo, there not gonna mess it up.

Nice logic. I can name mistakes that are already confirmed.

 

[blazer787]

its Nintendo, there not gonna mess it up.

its nintendo, oh god we're all screwed

 

[joeysmash]

o come on none is perfect but for heavens sake i think they are trying to make a good game, not a crappy one. Maybe before we bash this mode lets see what coins 100% are for first.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

o come on none is perfect but for heavens sake i think they are trying to make a good game, not a crappy one. Maybe before we bash this mode lets see what coins 100% are for first.

Most likely to buy trophies just as they were used in Melee, except with Brawl you will most likely being able to buy more things.

 

[garbage]

1. WELL, I'LL GUESS WE'LL JUST HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE.

2. No one cares about how frequently you post.

 

[joeysmash]

i am personally hoping to buy stuff with via VC. Because not everyone has the internet, just download some customs and trophies.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

i am personally hoping to buy stuff with via VC. Because not everyone has the internet, just download some customs and trophies.

Why download something for Wii points when you could just simply buy it on the game itself?

 

[Eltrotraw]

i am personally hoping to buy stuff with via VC. Because not everyone has the internet, just download some customs and trophies.

I'm trying to make some sense out of this.

You want to buy stuff through Virtual Console/Wii Shop Channel(which requires online connection anyway)...

...because not everyone has the internet.

But I thought you need internet in order to use it?

 

[Tobi-]

2. No one cares about how frequently you post.

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

What does that have to do with anything?

It has nothing to do with anything

 

[SirPenguin]

For those of you who want to cooperate with our data collection for Spectator mode, set Allow Spectators to Yes in your Wi-Fi Options. This will result in your play data occasionally being sent to Nintendo.

Judging by that paragraph, I'm going to say that what happens is that as you play, matches are sent to Nintendo. Nintendo then queues up all these matches they are getting, and plays them for everyone who selects "Spectator". They aren't live, and everyone sees the same match.

 

[Brawler1432]

from what I can tell, Nintendo will only host 1 match to spectate on, or the more likely choice, that Nintendo puts in coins on every match, so even when one guy is on he still gets more money if his guy wins.

 

[Frogla]

Heres what i dont get it. I believe it will be a constant stream of them. Kind of like TV, because if it was like you get 1 per day at anytime during the day. You would get some cheating because people would post what and who to bet on.

 

[joeysmash]

you will get to see a live game, from the beginning of course.

 

[Frogla]

I know that but do you think it will be a constant stream of games?

 

[Xarias]

From the way I understood it, when you choose to go into spectator mode, it'll find you a game that is just about to start and let you choose your bets and all, then you watch. There will be many games going on at once, instead of just 1 game at a time that everyone watches together.

Imagine each match as its own room. You have the 4 players fighting, and then like 6 spectators. Surely it'll be many more spectators though. And I wonder how long you'll have to place your bets before the match starts. They'll probably put a 1 minute loading time that starts as soon as the stage is picked, and you need to place your bets within that time frame.

Also, you aren't betting AGAINST the other spectators. You're playing the odds of the match. 2 fighters means double your bet if you choose the winner; 3 is triple, 4 is quadruple. Each spectator's bet is independent of the rest. You guys seem to have misunderstood that.

 

[SirPenguin]

I can guarantee you matches won't be live. Besides Sakurai all but saying that, it'd be pretty impossible to do. Set up for matches will be short, and a user would need to come in towards the beginning to even realistically bet.

What's going to happen is that after some of your matches, Nintendo will download the data, similar to a replay. It'll then be shown sometime in Spectator mode.

 

[Xarias]

I can guarantee you matches won't be live. Besides Sakurai all but saying that, it'd be pretty impossible to do. Set up for matches will be short, and a user would need to come in towards the beginning to even realistically bet.

What's going to happen is that after some of your matches, Nintendo will download the data, similar to a replay. It'll then be shown sometime in Spectator mode.

That's another idea.

Hmm...

Perhaps they'll just record and store lots of matches, and when you say you wanna go into spectator mode, it'll just play one of the matches for you. The match you end up watching could be from years ago (assuming this is years into Brawl's lifespan).

 

[Limey]

Sorry if this has been said, but you seem to be displaying a slight lack of faith.

After all, why would they try implementing a mode if they had no knowlege of how to pull it off? It'd be like me stating i was going to climb everest, even though i have no equipment.

It's sorta the same as when people where worrying about PKMN Trainer causing a million glitches, such as on the scrolling stages, as if Nintendo would just absent mindedly forget about the trainer standing in the background.

It'll work, trust me. They've tested it, and if it didn't work they would have taken it out and not even announced it.

 

[Tobi-]

Sorry if this has been said, but you seem to be displaying a slight lack of faith.

After all, why would they try implementing a mode if they had no knowlege of how to pull it off? It'd be like me stating i was going to climb everest, even though i have no equipment.

It's sorta the same as when people where worrying about PKMN Trainer causing a million glitches, such as on the scrolling stages, as if Nintendo would just absent mindedly forget about the trainer standing in the background.

It'll work, trust me. They've tested it, and if it didn't work they would have taken it out and not even announced it.

Lol I'm sure for a scrolling stage in the sky ( like poke floats) they would make the pokemon trainer flying on top of some pokemon.

 

[Pyroloserkid]

At first when I saw the gambling part of spectator mode, I thought that the game itself would just double your coins. This would work even if people aren't watching the same match as you.

If you DO only get the coins of the people who bet...then this might be a problem.

 

[Limey]

If you actually look at the update (at least the UK version) it doesn't say anything about betting against other people. It just says about putting coins on who you think will win, and getting loads back if you bet correctly. Nothing about beating the bets other people have placed.

 

[G-Bis]

nice

cuz this way u get a look who out there and gambling tight anyways.

 

[Zek]

I'm almost positive they will not be live matches. They'll be replays that have been automatically sent to Nintendo and queued up, and Nintendo will broadcast them one at a time to every spectator like a TV station("The content that is broadcast is the same for everyone spectating"). I also see no reason whatsoever to think the betting will be competitive, except by talking about the match with other people as you bet. I imagine every consecutive game will have a totally different set of 4 players too, so there's no way to make an educated guess. That's what makes it gambling.

 

[plasmatorture]

The betting isn't 4:1 odds for 4 player matches. It shows 31 coins on Lucas with a jackpot of 118, but 4*31=124.

 

[garbage]

What does that have to do with anything?

Here's what I think and I see this in a lot of online games that have tried this...
EDIT: Yes this is my first post in 16 months, get over it.

That's what it has to do with anything.

 

[lukintosh]

Man, you're way too serious. Did you even read into it? Its for people who aren't experienced in Brawl.