Sora has a chance?

[DubZero X]

Do you guys think Sora may have a chance? I sure hope he does. He has had a game on the game boy advance before, and there is also another game scheduled for release on the DS. There certainly cannot be a problem with a moveset because he's obviously a sword wielder. So what do you guys think?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You could have posted in the official Sora thread instead of creating a new one...In fact DO it instead of creating a new one


...To answer your question though...NOt really


BTW...The DS kingdom Hearts has Roxas, not Sora

 

[GreatClayMonkey]

one game on nintendo=no chance
and dont create new threads when on e laready exsist

 

[DubZero X]

Thanks. Sorry guys I'm used to Nintendos forums

 

[Black/Light]

one game on nintendo=no chance

One game on a Nintendo system = ALL thats needed for a 3rd party character to get in.

And yes, he has a "chance" (w/e that means) meaning he could get in.

 

[vesperview]

He does have a chance but I wouldn't want him to bring all his disney crap along with him lol.

 

[EPX2]

Does he have a chance? Of course, any character that meets Sakurai's requirements (including such reviled characters as Waluigi and Daisy) has a chance of making it in. Realistically, would he get in? ... Not really, but then again, if Sakurai had announced that certain third-party characters would make appearances as playable characters in Brawl without having announed Solid Snake, I would've told you that Snake likely wouldn't get in.

 

[RoyalRook]

No Chance In Hell, like ever. You heard it from me.

 

[error_alt_delete]

he meets the requirements but doesnt seem like brawl character material to me.

 

[tafutureboy]

he would be fun.........but i cant see brawl having disney in it......

 

[Circus]

No Chance In Hell, like ever. You heard it from me.

You just lied. I don't care how unlikely he is, he DOES have a chance. Period. He's appeared on a Nintendo console and he originated in a video game—that gives him a chance.

 

[Junpappy]

he meets the requirements but doesnt seem like brawl character material to me.

What exactly defines "brawl character material"? As far as I'm concerned, none of the characters in brawl share a set of similarities that would rule out someone like Sora.

 

[GreenKirby]

Do you guys think Sora may have a chance? I sure hope he does. He has had a game on the game boy advance before, and there is also another game scheduled for release on the DS. There certainly cannot be a problem with a moveset because he's obviously a sword wielder. So what do you guys think?

1) There are better third party characters
2) There are better Squaresoft characters
3) Chain of Memories was the worse of the KH games
4) The new DS game focuses on Roxas and not Sora
5) Square doesn't care much for Nintendo as they do Sony
6) Sora is Disney owned and it would basically be hell to get permission to use him
7) I like pie

 

[Circus]

1) There are better third party characters

Debatable.

2) There are better Squaresoft characters

Debatable.

3) Chain of Memories was the worse of the KH games

Which doesn't matter. At all.

4) The new DS game focuses on Roxas and not Sora

Roxas is (part of) Sora. Loopholes, ftw.

5) Square doesn't care much for Nintendo as they do Sony

Is Sony making a Super Sony Brothers? If not, I don't see how that matters.

6) Sora is Disney owned and it would basically be hell to get permission to use him

. . . Well, yeah. That's true. Sora's still awesome.

7) I like pie

Gross. Unless it's pumpkin.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I hate Sora but Roxas is awesome

 

[RoyalRook]

You just lied. I don't care how unlikely he is, he DOES have a chance. Period. He's appeared on a Nintendo console and he originated in a video game—that gives him a chance.

The game is on GBA man, and it's not even that good. No, it wasn't good at all, in fact. Hell, it's not even exclusive, b/c latter it was milked and ported to the KH collection on PS2. Finally, Sora doesn't like pie, so no chance. But.....I do very much want to beat the sh*t out of him.

 

[vesperview]

Roxas sucks! Sora FTW!

 

[Junpappy]

Cloud would be a much better candidate.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Cloud would be a much better candidate.

Like Hell he would...

That overhyped *******

 

[Tony_]

Here's a question for you all...when was the last time you saw a Disney game on a nintendo platform?

 

[brawlpro]

Hell no he has no chance.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Here's a question for you all...when was the last time you saw a Disney game on a nintendo platform?

High school musical DS

 

[brawlpro]

High school musical DS

lol pwnt .

 

[GreenKirby]

Debatable.

Nonsense, Megaman, Bomberman, the Square characters that I'll point out next. More iconic and popular

Debatable.

Character classes, Geno

Which doesn't matter. At all.

I think it does. Horrible, unpopular 3rd party games/franchises wouldn't have a much of a chance, now would they? Sora's lucky he's riding the popularity of KH 1 and 2 instead of Com

Roxas is (part of) Sora. Loopholes, ftw.

But they still pass off as different characters. And of course, Sakurai has to see this so called loophole

Is Sony making a Super Sony Brothers? If not, I don't see how that matters.

Copying Nintendo so much, it wouldn't surprise if it were to happen

. . . Well, yeah. That's true. Sora's still awesome.

Mickey Mouse >>>>> Sora

fact'd

Gross. Unless it's pumpkin

Screw you

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

An itty-bitty chance.
Let's hope it doesn't come to pass. Kingdom Hearts is cool, but it doesn't deserve to be in Brawl.
Only iconic third-party characters. Sonic is a legend, Snake is a legend, and I suppose you could consider Megaman and Bomberman legends. But Sora hasn't had time to become important enough to get into Brawl.

 

[Tony_]

Cloud would be a much better candidate.

LETS GIVE IN TO THE WEEABOS. LETS HAVE F@GGOTRY RUIN BRAWL.

 

[vesperview]

Geno
Cloud
Chrono
Sora

That's pretty much the order.

 

[RoyalRook]

Geno
Cloud
Chrono
Sora

That's pretty much the order.

No, bad list.

Geno
Chrono

That's pretty much the only tolerable choices.

 

[vesperview]

No, bad list.

Geno
Chrono

That's pretty much the only tolerable choices.

Cloud is more popular than Chrono.

 

[RoyalRook]

Cloud is more popular than Chrono.

Not in my heart, he is not. Chrono Trigger is both legendary and mystical b/c it was absolutely brilliant, and has not been milked to death like FF 7, or FF for that matter. There was Chrono Cross but Chrono and Chrono Trigger are the ones that we cherished til today.

 

[Circus]

The game is on GBA man, and it's not even that good. No, it wasn't good at all, in fact. Hell, it's not even exclusive, b/c latter it was milked and ported to the KH collection on PS2. Finally, Sora doesn't like pie, so no chance. But.....I do very much want to beat the sh*t out of him.

None of that disproves what I said.

He originated in a video game.
He appeared on a nintendo console (it doesn't matter that it sucked and it doesn't matter that it's GBA, no matter how much you want to fool yourself otherwise).

Therefor, he has a chance. There's a difference between no chance and a small chance. Sora has the latter.

Nonsense, Megaman, Bomberman, the Square characters that I'll point out next. More iconic and popular

Well, sure, more iconic. But "better" (the word you used before) is a much broader term, so it's debatable.

For example, I consider Sora "better" than all of those characters.

Character classes, Geno

Geno's so overrated. But I won't get into that. But character classes? You know that isn't actually a "character", per say, yeah?

I think it does. Horrible, unpopular 3rd party games/franchises wouldn't have a much of a chance, now would they? Sora's lucky he's riding the popularity of KH 1 and 2 instead of Com

Sonic the hedgehog arguably hasn't had a good game since Sonic Adventure 2 (or even earlier). But Sonic is still a great character, so he's in. One bad Kingdom Hearts game doesn't effect Sora as a character.

But they still pass off as different characters. And of course, Sakurai has to see this so called loophole

True. But I like loopholes. Regardless, the new DS game point is kind of pointless anyway.

Copying Nintendo so much, it wouldn't surprise if it were to happen

Too true.

Mickey Mouse >>>>> Sora

I'm tempted to agree. But alas, Mickey actually doesn't have any chance of being in. Oh well.

Screw you

Hey. Not my fault you like bad pie.

 

[Rex+]

Sora hasn't had time to become important enough to get into Brawl.

Quoted for truth.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

None of that disproves what I said.

Originated in a video game.
Appeared on a nintendo console (it doesn't matter that it sucked and it doesn't matter that it's GBA, no matter how much you want to fool yourself otherwise).

Therefor, he has a chance. There's a difference between no chance and a small chance. Sora has the latter.

Well, sure, more iconic. But "better" (the word you used before) is a much broader term, therefor it's debatable.

For example, I consider Sora "better" than all of those characters.

No thanks to Geno. But I don't get into that. And "character classes"? You know that isn't actually a "character", per say, yeah?

Sonic the hedgehog arguably hasn't had a good game since Sonic Adventure 2 (or even earlier). But Sonic is still a great character, so he's in. One bad Kingdom Hearts game doesn't effect Sora as a character.

True. But I like loopholes. Regardless, the new DS game point is kind of pointless anyway.

Too true.

I'm tempted to agree. But alas, Mickey actually doesn't have any chance of being in. Oh well.

Hey. Not my fault you like bad pie.

What the hell is wrong with Geno?

 

[Circus]

What the hell is wrong with Geno?

Nothing. I just think he's overrated. Chill.

 

[RoyalRook]

Nothing. I just think he's overrated. Chill.

Haha, PsychoIncarnate loves Geno, I had to give Geno some credit just b/c of that. You can't compare Sonic with Sora. Sonic went war with Mario and almost won during the 16-bit era. Sora is not even in the same league with Sonic and Mario.

 

[Circus]

Haha, PsychoIncarnate loves Geno, I had to give Geno some credit just b/c of that. You can't compare Sonic with Sora. Sonic went war with Mario and almost won during the 16-bit era. Sora is not even in the same league with Sonic and Mario.

I wasn't trying to suggest that he was. My point is just that good characters are good characters and one or two (or in Sonic's case. . . slightly more) bad games doesn't change that. So the point about Chain of Memories isn't really valid for Sora. If Sora's a good character, then he's a good character. That's what matters.

Not that I think Sora will be in Brawl. Just defending a character I would actually support. Saying Sora doesn't have any chance at all just isn't true.

EDIT: And I'm totally taking this way too seriously since I don't think Sora will be in anyway, but that's how I get with characters I like. O_<

 

[Tony_]

Cloud is more popular than Chrono.

At least Chrono wasn't milked to death like FF7 characters were. Square is only using them as cash cows anyways....

 

[slisenberg]

None of that disproves what I said.

He originated in a video game.
He appeared on a nintendo console (it doesn't matter that it sucked and it doesn't matter that it's GBA, no matter how much you want to fool yourself otherwise).

Those qualifications don't make a certain character have a guaranteed "chance" at making it in. If I were to argue Jon Dowd had a chance at making it, I'd be completely offbase. (Long story short, Barry Bonds is not really part of the players union, therefore in mlb games he is replaced by a fictional character with the same characteristics. In MVP Baseball 2005, Bonds is replaced by Dowd). Sure, Dowd originated in video games, he's an entirely fictional character whose first appearance was in a video game. Sure, he appeared on a nintendo console, so long as the gamecube counts. Does he have any chance at all? No! He's a minor character from an entirely detached producer. He appeared in one game. He represents a real life baseball star. He has NO CHANCE. There is a zero likelihood that Dowd makes it into the game. Sakurai will not put him in.

Sora may not be as extreme of an example as Jon Dowd, but Dowd proves that the criteria you present don't necessarily grant a character a chance. Those criteria, it seems, rather prove as ways to -dispute- characters, rather than give them a chance. If someone doesn't meet the requirements, they definitely aren't in. If they do meet the requirements, they still could have no chance like Dowd.

Therefor, he has a chance. There's a difference between no chance and a small chance. Sora has the latter.

There's no difference between 9.99999~ and 1, so why is there a difference between an infinitely small .00000000`1 and 0? Unless, of course, you think Sora's chance is higher than .0000~1

Well, sure, more iconic. But "better" (the word you used before) is a much broader term, so it's debatable.

Better, in the way he used it, means a more likely, more suitable, and more popular character from a more iconic series.

Megaman has many games on nintendo systems and started with the nes. He has original, weapon based gameplay. Capcom and Nintendo are close. Megaman is a large series. Megaman is wellknown by many people of many age groups.

Bomberman, again, is well represented on nintendo systems. He too has original, bomb based gameplay. Bomberman is a very big series with over 60 games.

Geno is effectively a MARIO character from a different company. He's a nintendo exclusive character. Nintendo's gotten him to cameo before. He's a very different character. He was a main star of a very popular game. He's extremely popular in both Japan and the U.S.

Sora is the main character of an RPG that started on the Playstation 2. He starred in only one, poorly received game on a nintendo system. He's -another- sword fighter. His company, Square, would more likely put Geno in (who has already cameo'd in a nintendo game) than Sora. Kingdom Hearts is not nearly as iconic of a series as Bomberman, Megaman, or Mario (though Geno's role int he mario series could be argued).

For example, I consider Sora "better" than all of those characters.

I'm just curious what criteria you use to describe "better"? Favorite? If it means "better choice to enter a nintendo character fightfest", why Sora?

Geno's so overrated. But I won't get into that. But character classes? You know that isn't actually a "character", per say, yeah?

Yeah, Geno is overrated.

Sonic the hedgehog arguably hasn't had a good game since Sonic Adventure 2 (or even earlier). But Sonic is still a great character, so he's in. One bad Kingdom Hearts game doesn't effect Sora as a character.

Sonic's a great character because he -was- the icon of the early nineties. Sonic's a great character because sonic 3 and knuckles is often regarded as the best game -ever made-. Sonic's a great character because he has had decades of amazing games. He's a great character because he put a face to Sega. He's a great character for Brawl because he's been "fighting" mario his entire life and has been all over nintendo consoles.

Sora's done none of those.

True. But I like loopholes. Regardless, the new DS game point is kind of pointless anyway.
Too true.

I'm tempted to agree. But alas, Mickey actually doesn't have any chance of being in. Oh well.

mickey.

Hey. Not my fault you like bad pie.

hey what about pecan?

 

[GreenKirby]

Sonic the hedgehog arguably hasn't had a good game since Sonic Adventure 2 (or even earlier). But Sonic is still a great character, so he's in. One bad Kingdom Hearts game doesn't effect Sora as a character.

Sonic Rush, Sonic Riders, Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic and the Secret Rings say hi.

Hey. Not my fault you like bad pie.

Hey I like pumpkin pie as well. But I also like other pies.

 

[Circus]

Those qualifications don't make a certain character have a guaranteed "chance" at making it in. If I were to argue Jon Dowd had a chance at making it, I'd be completely offbase. (Long story short, Barry Bonds is not really part of the players union, therefore in mlb games he is replaced by a fictional character with the same characteristics. In MVP Baseball 2005, Bonds is replaced by Dowd). Sure, Dowd originated in video games, he's an entirely fictional character whose first appearance was in a video game. Sure, he appeared on a nintendo console, so long as the gamecube counts. Does he have any chance at all? No!

Based on those characteristics, I see no reason for him to not be considered. I wouldn't WANT him in the game, but it doesn't mean he doesn't have any chance at all since he fits the criteria. Unless you can find me a quote where Sakurai specifically says he wouldn't put in a fictional baseball player (he added a racer by the name of Captain Falcon if you recall. Not that large of a stretch).

He's a minor character from an entirely detached producer.

Fortunately, Sora has no such problem.

He appeared in one game.

See above.

He represents a real life baseball star.

See above.

He has NO CHANCE. There is a zero likelihood that Dowd makes it into the game. Sakurai will not put him in.

I certainly hope not. Sounds like a bad choice to me.

Sora may not be as extreme of an example as Jon Dowd, but Dowd proves that the criteria you present don't necessarily grant a character a chance. Those criteria, it seems, rather prove as ways to -dispute- characters, rather than give them a chance. If someone doesn't meet the requirements, they definitely aren't in. If they do meet the requirements, they still could have no chance like Dowd.

I disagree. You didn't actually prove that Dowd can't be in. You just explained why his chance is small and why he wouldn't really be a good addition.

There's no difference between 9.99999~ and 1, so why is there a difference between an infinitely small .00000000`1 and 0? Unless, of course, you think Sora's chance is higher than .0000~1

I would have to say they actually are higher than that. He may not be iconic, but it's not like Kingdom Hearts is some unknown game. It was very well received and is quickly blossoming into a full-fledged franchise on it's own. I would say the main character of the franchise stands a mediocre chance. It's not like I think he's likely, but still. I don't think most people give Sora enough credit.

Better, in the way he used it, means a more likely, more suitable, and more popular character from a more iconic series.

But how would I know that? In fact, how would you know that? "Better" is broad, like I said. I like Sora more, therefor I consider him better. That's my point. Saying there are "better choices" is too vague to be entirely accurate. Saying there are "more iconic characters" or something of the like is more specific.

Megaman has many games on nintendo systems and started with the nes. He has original, weapon based gameplay. Capcom and Nintendo are close. Megaman is a large series. Megaman is wellknown by many people of many age groups.

Bomberman, again, is well represented on nintendo systems. He too has original, bomb based gameplay. Bomberman is a very big series with over 60 games.

Which makes them more likely candidates for Brawl. Yes. Not the point. My sole reason for posting was to prove that Sora has a chance no matter how minuscule some may think it is.

Geno is effectively a MARIO character from a different company. He's a nintendo exclusive character. Nintendo's gotten him to cameo before. He's a very different character. He was a main star of a very popular game. He's extremely popular in both Japan and the U.S.

"Very popular"? He seems to have a cult following at best.

He's -another- sword fighter.

Technically, he's a key fighter. Besides, we may have lots of sword fightes, but they all play differently so why does it matter?

His company, Square, would more likely put Geno in (who has already cameo'd in a nintendo game) than Sora.

What are your reasons for saying that? What about Geno making being a "Mario character" makes it more likely for Square to pick him? It's not like Geno would be good for advertising. If I were Square, and I had the chance to add whatever character to Brawl I wanted, I'd pick a character that would get people to buy my latest games (though, admittedly, that's still probably not Sora).

I'm just curious what criteria you use to describe "better"? Favorite? If it means "better choice to enter a nintendo character fightfest", why Sora?

Favorite. You nailed it. Doesn't make him more likely or relevant, but it makes me root for him more.

Yeah, Geno is overrated.

Something we actually agree on. Neat-o.

Sonic's a great character because he -was- the icon of the early nineties. Sonic's a great character because sonic 3 and knuckles is often regarded as the best game -ever made-. Sonic's a great character because he has had decades of amazing games. He's a great character because he put a face to Sega. He's a great character for Brawl because he's been "fighting" mario his entire life and has been all over nintendo consoles.

Sora's done none of those.

But do you think Sonic would've held on this long without his personality? Yeah, he was fine back in the 2D days because his games were good. But that's changed. Sonic's been given the benefit of the doubt several times since moving to 3D and has come up short. Do all of Sonic's current fans just love bad gameplay? Or do they continue to support because they love Sonic himself? I know why Isupport him (the latter).

mickey.

mouse.

hey what about pecan?

Ick.

Sonic Rush, Sonic Riders, Sonic Rush Adventure, Sonic and the Secret Rings say hi.

Did you not see the "arguably"? You may like those games, but the general mood toward all of Sonic's latest titles that I've seen is:

. . . And you liked Sonic Riders? o_O

Hey I like pumpkin pie as well. But I also like other pies.

Oh. Well then, we're good.