Sometimes when I HOO (D-throw) I can't HA (Up-air). Is this normal?

[Ducksen]

Title says it all. Occasionally when I down throw I can't get the up-air in (although sometimes I can substitute with a f-air which is nice). Is this normal for Diddy? I'm just getting into maining him because he's super fun and i'm just curious if this combo is guranteed or not. Thanks

 

[Octagon]

What do you mean you can't get it? Like they are too far up, or do you use the up air too early, or do you not jump high enough?

 

[VioletSmashfan]

Title says it all. Occasionally when I down throw I can't get the up-air in (although sometimes I can substitute with a f-air which is nice). Is this normal for Diddy? I'm just getting into maining him because he's super fun and i'm just curious if this combo is guranteed or not. Thanks

I've been getting that too, usually happens in the early % due to Dthrow's trajectory going behind Diddy (so I spam multiple Bairs (which is better at chainning than Fair (since Diddy's Fair hits as hard as some of of the Bairs in this game), but it works in later % which is how it should be used.

 

[Legit]

Directional Influence.

 

[DeLux]

Dthrow followups are knockback dependent. This means they are subject to the various game mechanics (limited VI, knockback based on percent, knockback based on rage) as well as position limitations. The higher your opponent and your percents, the more likely you will be unable to follow up. Dthrow combos to kill at absurd percents if you are at 0% (aka no rage).

 

[IWinToLose]

If the opponent DI's behind Diddy at kill %'s right when he is thrown, he can usually DI away and Diddy can only connect with FAir or BAir at this point.

 

[Johnny Heart Gold]

Then why in the world of F**** people complain about Hoha so much? I played a diddy on for glory and he only wanted to do HOHA, but he only did it once, the rest of the time he really sucked at doing it, even me who I dont use diddy have problems to use HOHA, so why people complain if isn't a 100% guarantee combo?

 

[Altair357]

Up throw up air is better than down throw up air.

 

[Roll-Spamming-Peasant]

Up throw up air is better than down throw up air.

Listen to this man. You can do it earlier than Dthrow upair too.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Then why in the world of F**** people complain about Hoha so much? I played a diddy on for glory and he only wanted to do HOHA, but he only did it once, the rest of the time he really sucked at doing it, even me who I dont use diddy have problems to use HOHA, so why people complain if isn't a 100% guarantee combo?

Perhaps because they know how to do Ho-Hah right. It's a lot about reading your opponent's habits and if need be, applying constant pressure via Peels, etc.

Some things that might help:

- Mix up your setups. Opponents will learn to DI away from Who-H4s the more you spam them. I tend to use D-Throw for B-Airs and F-Airs depending on DI:ng or the character's size and damage (+ rage) and sometimes play around with expectations (like throwing D-Throw but not doing anything to force an airdodge) so they whiff their read for different kind of attack. Also helps to keep moves fresh and not going stale.

- You gotta also watch the opponent and see how conditioned they are to this combo (and others). If you can bait an airdodge, you can instantly slap another U-Air or other attack of your choice. This game's more read-based than last ones.


- Don't rely only on Hoo-Hah for Diddy, as there's many ways to bolster his absolutely fun and addicting combo game. Hoo-Hah (and other D-Throw/Up-Throw setups) are just one of the core killing or comboing methods for Diddy.