Just to quell the possible immediate rage that the title may induce, I'll just say this thread isn't saying she does.
So I don't know very much about Samus other than a rudimentary understanding of how her kit works, I very rarely picked her in Brawl and Melee, the most I ever used her was 64 mostly because at the time I was so starved for ANY new Metroid material.
And I probably wouldn't have noticed her in this game either, but the other day in For Glory I came across this player...one of maybe two I've ever fought using this character, and I got a thrashing worse than any other I've gotten in this game yet for about 10 games. Generally I use Mega Man, and at first I used him against her but I felt like he had absolutely no real advantage against her, so I gave Sheik, Robin, and Bowser a shot and figured I wasn't gonna be regularly beating this guy so I might as well learn a thing or two about her, I completely acknowledge he was probably completely out of my league which probably helped a lot. lol Even with rounds where I actually almost had him or even beat him maybe once or twice, I never felt like I wasn't struggling against a stage being completely controlled by Samus with little I could do about it.
Thing is after that, I was pretty interested in trying Samus for myself...taking just observed cues from this guy: he played extremely passive and full defensive, rarely rushed, played a lot of edge games especially using air-grab as a come back move from the edge, charged his shot whenever he could even in small bits at a time when he could, used pivot turn tactics and some really effective aerial setups to make approach from the air really difficult, and baited often...something this character seems to be really good at since she can punish whiffs so safely. Lots of mixups with changing air trajectory with bombs and just using them for all sorts of purposes.
Using just that, I've spent the past day and a half playing For Glory consistently and I've just obliterated people. And I know For Glory is an inconsistent judge of player quality I know that too well, but I've fought a lot and some of them were pretty damn decent too, and even in the matches I've lost against these guys it's always been close. I've shot down legions of Sheiks, a good amount of Lucarios, Yoshis, Links (who always get cocky with that shield), and even some Foxes I haven't had -that- much issue with...him being able to reflect is annoying but her projectiles aren't just to kill or do damage they can be just as much a method to manipulate. About the only character I could see maybe being an issue is Rosalina but I don't come across those often surprisingly so I don't know.
So my point is after that I finally came on here hoping to find some discussion and tips, and I'm pretty surprised at how somewhat bare it is compared to other boards at least...and an ongoing notion that "she sucks" from a fair number of people. I'm no super pro player or anything and I'm pretty noobish to this character especially other than just mimicing this one amazing player I came across, and I'm not saying she's secret top tier or anything but I definitely don't think she's nearly as bad as some people seem to think. I've read talk about things from Brawl having been taken away, and her jab being kinda wonky (I rarely use it really) as well as her down smash not being a kill move (which I also never use it for, it's like panicky roll abuser insurance or just all around knock away.)...and maybe those were big hits but like I said, I wouldn't know cause I'm kind of an outsider to this character.
Could it be possible maybe people in this game are just approaching her wrong?
So I don't know very much about Samus other than a rudimentary understanding of how her kit works, I very rarely picked her in Brawl and Melee, the most I ever used her was 64 mostly because at the time I was so starved for ANY new Metroid material.
And I probably wouldn't have noticed her in this game either, but the other day in For Glory I came across this player...one of maybe two I've ever fought using this character, and I got a thrashing worse than any other I've gotten in this game yet for about 10 games. Generally I use Mega Man, and at first I used him against her but I felt like he had absolutely no real advantage against her, so I gave Sheik, Robin, and Bowser a shot and figured I wasn't gonna be regularly beating this guy so I might as well learn a thing or two about her, I completely acknowledge he was probably completely out of my league which probably helped a lot. lol Even with rounds where I actually almost had him or even beat him maybe once or twice, I never felt like I wasn't struggling against a stage being completely controlled by Samus with little I could do about it.
Thing is after that, I was pretty interested in trying Samus for myself...taking just observed cues from this guy: he played extremely passive and full defensive, rarely rushed, played a lot of edge games especially using air-grab as a come back move from the edge, charged his shot whenever he could even in small bits at a time when he could, used pivot turn tactics and some really effective aerial setups to make approach from the air really difficult, and baited often...something this character seems to be really good at since she can punish whiffs so safely. Lots of mixups with changing air trajectory with bombs and just using them for all sorts of purposes.
Using just that, I've spent the past day and a half playing For Glory consistently and I've just obliterated people. And I know For Glory is an inconsistent judge of player quality I know that too well, but I've fought a lot and some of them were pretty damn decent too, and even in the matches I've lost against these guys it's always been close. I've shot down legions of Sheiks, a good amount of Lucarios, Yoshis, Links (who always get cocky with that shield), and even some Foxes I haven't had -that- much issue with...him being able to reflect is annoying but her projectiles aren't just to kill or do damage they can be just as much a method to manipulate. About the only character I could see maybe being an issue is Rosalina but I don't come across those often surprisingly so I don't know.
So my point is after that I finally came on here hoping to find some discussion and tips, and I'm pretty surprised at how somewhat bare it is compared to other boards at least...and an ongoing notion that "she sucks" from a fair number of people. I'm no super pro player or anything and I'm pretty noobish to this character especially other than just mimicing this one amazing player I came across, and I'm not saying she's secret top tier or anything but I definitely don't think she's nearly as bad as some people seem to think. I've read talk about things from Brawl having been taken away, and her jab being kinda wonky (I rarely use it really) as well as her down smash not being a kill move (which I also never use it for, it's like panicky roll abuser insurance or just all around knock away.)...and maybe those were big hits but like I said, I wouldn't know cause I'm kind of an outsider to this character.
Could it be possible maybe people in this game are just approaching her wrong?
