SmashCAP 3: Openings/Concept Assessment

[Terywj [태리]]

Upon 9000 posts, Tery brings us the next exciting installment of SmashCAP!

- SmashCAP 3 -
The Zook Concept

SmashCAP 3 is going to be a little bit different. Whereas the previous SmashCAPs Calderan and Lilibelle and future SmashCAPs will design and fill in a unique role in the OverUsed metagame, SmashCAP 3 has a "lighter" concept to it. The purpose of SmashCAP 3 is to incorporate a Pokemon who by typing, stats, abilities, etc. cna project a tribute to one of our beloved PokeCenter members - Zook. Along with tributing Zook, the design of SmashCAP 3 will also occupy a unique niche as well. Think of SmashCAP 3 as a normal SmashCAP, with ties to Zook.

That said, our concept will be called "The Zook Concept."

Concept assessment - The Zook Concept is only the name deterring to the two-face of SmashCAP 3 - a tribute to Zook and a SmashCAP role. That said, we can discuss what or where we want SmashCAP Z (c wut i did thar) headed here. This will only be a quick phase, as it will easily be outruled when typing discussion comes next.

All global forum rules apply, so let's get going!

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

??? type. Had to be said.

In the event that it can actually be incorporated into Shoddy, that is. And maybe this CAP could actually have some unique moves? I feel as though it's only fitting.

 

[Riddle]

An evolution of both dunsparce and swinub.

 

[UltiMario]

Wonderguard with more than 1 HP.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The problem with ??? type is that we'd have to work out a bunch of nonsense (which I'm willing to do) but it'll be more time consuming.

Also, Zook will get STAB on Curse and Curse only, unless we make more moves... :\

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

If Curse can change for ghost, why couldn't it change for Zook? We could make Curse a totally awsome attack.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If Curse can change for ghost, why couldn't it change for Zook? We could make Curse a totally awsome attack.

A good point.

Also, typing / abilities comes later. Assessment is more-or-less what we want Zook to do. Sweep? Wallbreak? Utility? Everything?

Thus why this stage will be short-lived. Typing, abilities, etc. can change our direction where needed.

-Terywj

 

[Riddle]

Zook needs to be the ultimate hax pokemon

 

[Circa]

What we've had thus far in CAP is basically just stall, so I recommend at least not going that route.

Going wallbreaker sounds best to me though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wallbreaker / offensive route would seem most appealing, and perhaps even going special, being able to beat Blissey might be worthwhile for Zook.

I'll "close" this after a couple hours.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Wonderguard with more than 1 HP.

This.

Umm, yeah, that's about it.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Oh, I forgot. Let's keep things to a maximum of awesome and a minimum of broken-ness. We already have complexes with Calderan and Lilibelle which we will have to work out, and I don't want Zook to be added to that list.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

16 HP Wonderguard isn't broken.

:3

 

[Terywj [태리]]

16 HP Wonderguard isn't broken.

:3

Wonder Guard on Zook means Zook won't be ??? type.
And vice versa.

I think I'll close this by like 12:30 and we can quickly move onto typing discussion.

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

Wallbreaker / offensive route would seem most appealing, and perhaps even going special, being able to beat Blissey might be worthwhile for Zook.

I'll "close" this after a couple hours.

-Terywj

Hmmm, interesting idea I do have. I know you said not to go with typing in this stage, but I kinda need it for the explanation. A Fighting/whatever-type that focuses on the special side. It could still have a usable Attack, but it should definitely be special-based.

I think it'd be interesting to finally see something that can really utilize Vacuum Wave without running into 4-moveslot syndrome.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Hmmm, interesting idea I do have. I know you said not to go with typing in this stage, but I kinda need it for the explanation. A Fighting/whatever-type that focuses on the special side. It could still have a usable Attack, but it should definitely be special-based.

I think it'd be interesting to finally see something that can really utilize Vacuum Wave without running into 4-moveslot syndrome.

I like the idea but wouldn't we be making a superior Lucario?

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

I like the idea but wouldn't we be making a superior Lucario?

-Terywj

Lucario typically fills the role of physical sweeper, so not really. The one that I was thinking we might be knocking down a bit is Infernape. But that can be worked around I think.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I know, but the point was a Fighting-type with usable Attack and Special Attack stats, with access to Vacuum Wave.

Lucario possesses all those traits, but is often overlooked as a special sweeper simply because of Swords Dance. Nasty Plot Lucario would wreck Blissey, but I see what you're going for.

-Terywj

 

[Riddle]

Fighting dark for writers idea I think. A 4x pursuit resist special sweeper with great stabs? Yes please.

 

[XACE-K]

I love how not one of the posts in this thread is from Zook yet. My only contribution I can think of is that Zook should be a sweeper and have a move related to banning people.

 

[UltiMario]

Needs more Fighting/Rock 16HP Zook with Wonderguard.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Alright. Let's move on.

Typing Discussion coming up.

-Terywj