SmashCAP 3: Ability Discussion / Assessment

[Terywj [태리]]

[SmashCAP 3]
Start date: 5/15/10
End date: --/--/--
Concept: The Zook Concept
Concept Assessment - More-or-less a sweeper-esque Pokemon, who can handle Blissey. Or at least be able to work around typical special sponges. Someone already suggested part Fighting-type to get STAB on Vacuum Wave to get around things, so you can further on that idea or come up with something new.

Type: Normal / ???

Special Note: The ability, whatever it's named, will function like a Trace for typing. Upon switching in, its secondary type will become that of the opposing Pokemon's primary type. In the event that it tries to copy a Pokemon of the primary Normal type, it gains no secondary typing and this ability functions in the same way as Adaptability. This activates just after switching in, so Stealth Rock damage is a constant neutral no matter what the secondary type becomes. Also, because there are no primary Flying-types outside of Arceus, it should be noted that this Pokemon will never become Normal/Flying when used outside of Ubers.

I would like for this idea to be the only ability for SmashCAP 3, but I might want to modify what happens when this ability copies a Normal type. I say that no change should occur to prevent the Adaptability effect to kick in.

Or, if you believe there's another ability out there for SmashCAP 3, you can suggest it here but you must support your argument. I don't want any of "Zook gets Wonder Guard because he's awesome and will **** the metagame with it."-types of posts.

Furthermore with the typing an assessment of the ability must also occur. How will this help SmashCAP 3 to sweep? How will this impact the metagame?
How will this hinder it, and how could such negative aspects be rendered.

 

[mood4food77]

mind reader

it reads the mind of the opposing pokemon, then the pokemon changes it's secondary type to that equal of the opposing pokemon's first type

i'm pretty sure that is what this typing is meaning

also, if the opposing pokemon is normal, then Zook becomes just a plain normal pokemon

 

[Circa]

I purposely added the Adaptability portion so it had some method of coming in on Blissey and scaring it off with just STAB. And even with the Adaptability boost, it would basically have to be all-physical and choiced or LO to nab any sort of decent damage on a standard WishBliss (meaning more than an approx. 50%).

And that's assuming a Snorlax-esque Attack stat. And I don't think you'd want to take it quite that high anyway.

And I don't approve of naming the ability Mind Reader. It sounds dumb and doesn't really fit. Considering it's kind of like a mixture of Color Change and Trace, it could just be called Color Trace.

I do approve of giving it another ability that makes the ??? portion do nothing/not exist though. This is only for the sake of having a back-up in the event that a type changing ability is impossible to implement onto Shoddy. And if it does end up working, then we just wouldn't include the other ability.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Mind Reader is a move. You don't call abilities move names.

Regardless, because of the ??? part, if a Normal-type Pokemon switches in, does the ???-type go away or does it stay there?

Because what would happen if say we gave Zook Curse? How would that work?

 

[Circa]

Mind Reader is a move. You don't call abilities move names.

Regardless, because of the ??? part, if a Normal-type Pokemon switches in, does the ???-type go away or does it stay there?

Because what would happen if say we gave Zook Curse? How would that work?

Well I'd prefer if the type disappeared, but in the case that it doesn't then we could definitely make Curse carry a custom effect for ??? types. I wouldn't know what it would do though. Probably not any actual damage, considering what the move's called.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Well I'd prefer if the type disappeared, but in the case that it doesn't then we could definitely make Curse carry a custom effect for ??? types. I wouldn't know what it would do though. Probably not any actual damage, considering what the move's called.

Alright cool. Let's get some more discussion, people!

 

[Riddle]

For a secondary ability I think we should use no guard. It makes up for normals bad stab by allowing us to use high powered moves

 

[Terywj [태리]]

For a secondary ability I think we should use no guard. It makes up for normals bad stab by allowing us to use high powered moves

Would that be too good for Zook, though? We'd better watch what we give him during the movepool stage, then.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

Hmm.. is this thing, like a virus or something before changing types (does he change avatars too?) so thats why can steal types? If so, what about Simple for a secondary ability. Viruses are like, ******** and have one goal, right? Or is that my biology messing up.

~ Risque

 

[Terywj [태리]]

We're not really sure as to the design of SmashCAP 3 yet. That's why I haven't posted the Art Submissions thread yet. I'd rather get the abilities down first.

 

[Riddle]

The only things that really break no guard are sleep moves and like...zap cannon. I think without a secondary typing zoom really needs a good ability because offensive mono normals are bad.

 

[mood4food77]

i completely forgot mind reader was a move

soul ingest?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

The only things that really break no guard are sleep moves and like...zap cannon. I think without a secondary typing zoom really needs a good ability because offensive mono normals are bad.

Well this is only the case if Writer's idea can't work and be programmed into Shoddy or something.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I propose the following for the ability poll:

Writer's Ability (we'll name it later)
No Guard + Wrtier's Ability
Adaptability + Writer's Ability

Thoughts?

 

[UltiMario]

How would this idea work WITHOUT Writer's ability?

??? is an actual type on it, not a placeholder, if you use ???, you **** over everything that is Pokemon in one swoop.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

...that's why Writer's Ability is in every single option...

Besides the fact that Writer already included it with his type proposal, it's very fitting and is viable to our goal.

 

[UltiMario]

I'm questioning why we're even considering a second ability though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm questioning why we're even considering a second ability though.

Because people wanted to speculate beyond Writer's ability in the case where SmashCAP 3 switches into a Normal-type (or Normal-type primary) Pokemon.

 

[Wave⁂]

I was going to suggest Copycat or Camouflage, but... uh...

How about Reflection or Mirror Guard?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Reflection has a nice tone to it.

Can someone get up the poll with the three options I posted earlier?

 

[Wave⁂]

How about we give it some more time, for more suggestions?

 

[Riddle]

I think the ??? type would be cancelled out if we didnt run Reflection

 

[Terywj [태리]]

How about we give it some more time, for more suggestions?

Normally I'd be fine with this, but as you can see this thread alone hasn't gotten much discussion out, so I want to hurry things along.

I don't want Zook to pace at the same speeds SmashCAP 1 and 2 were going at.

 

[Metal~Mario]

We should at least wait for Zook's own opinion on this, yreT.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

We should at least wait for Zook's own opinion on this, yreT.

I haven't seen Zook around in a long while. I won't repeat what I said about time.

 

[Circa]

How would this idea work WITHOUT Writer's ability?

??? is an actual type on it, not a placeholder, if you use ???, you **** over everything that is Pokemon in one swoop.

I think the ??? type would be cancelled out if we didnt run Reflection

This.

Basically, ??? type acts as a non-existent type. It's neutral to everything in both the defensive and offensive category (or at least it's supposed to be...hopefully GF didn't make some ****ed up chart for that just in case). So as long as we don't actually make an offensively oriented move for the type, it will make absolutely no difference to the metagame. Or at least close to no difference, in the event that we decided to give it a different effect with Curse than the effect normally caused or caused by Ghosts.

 

[Riddle]

So. Thoughts on the coolness that is no guard?

 

[mood4food77]

writer's ability has to be in

the only problem is implimenting it

 

[Terywj [태리]]

We're focusing on abilities as a whole. I'm going to call it Reflection at the moment, but our choices seem to be (for the poll):

Reflection
Reflection / No Guard
Reflection / Adaptability

 

[Wave⁂]

I have no idea how to post a poll.

 

[UltiMario]

It's at the bottom of a new post, when you're making a thread, scroll down.

 

[Wave⁂]

I swear it isn't. I see the same old "Post New Thread" box, and right underneath it is the "Additional Options" box, with no poll option.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I have no idea how to post a poll.

I thought there was an issue with making polls in the subforums?

 

[mood4food77]

just make a secondary ability poll since reflection is a must

make the three choices none, no guard, and adaptability

 

[Wave⁂]

Captain Obvious, you are needed elsewhere.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Captain Obvious, you are needed elsewhere.

This sums up everything pretty well.

 

[Riddle]

What is the TRUE identity of the mysterious captain obvious and why is he never seen in the same room as mood4food77. Sorry had to make that C&H reference.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So ANYWAYS. Can someone please get that poll up?

 

[Zook]

We should at least wait for Zook's own opinion on this, yreT.

I just want to clear this up: I'm not going to be taking part in this CAP. I don't want to influence you guys. Don't wait on me for anything.

 

[Wave⁂]

Oh okay, that's good, since we kind of forgot to wait on you this time