SmashCAP 1: Offensive Move Discussion

[Circa]

U-Turn for disallowed. There's really very little reason for this poke to have a Bug move, even if it is the quintessential hit-and-run move. Though it would be useful... I'm opposed.

Lumineon, Pelipper, Manaphy, and Phione get U-Turn.

But although this thing does look like it would get U-Turn as well, I agree that it shouldn't be allowed to have it. Not trying to be conservative or anything here, but I think something that can basically force switches as easily as Blissey shouldn't be allowed to get U-Turn.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm agreeing with Terrador and Write as far as U-Turn goes. I also say disallow it.

Also Iron Head is on UltiMario's list twice.

More tomorrow.

-Terywj

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Since this needs a revival.

Iron Head is fine. It had average power, and isn't even STABed so I don't see why not. It's not like SmashCAP 1 will be doing much with it anyways.

Power Gem...I don't really know. IIRC it doesn't pack too much power, and being base 80's in attack should give it access, along with being part Ground-type. I'm still undecided on this one. Ancientpower follows the same concept (although the lower base power and low chance of boosting stats wouldn't make it too effective anyways).

-Terywj

 

[Terrador14]

You did an Iron Head with your signing. Also, perhaps it would be prudent to begin support move discussion as this is nearly done?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Before the non-attacking section is posted we need to finish off the last of the controversials:

Outrage
Blizzard
Ancientpower
Power Gem
Skull Bash
Dragon Pulse
U-Turn

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

Outrage makes sense, since this thing looks like a very angry Pokemon.

Blizzard goes hand in hand with Ice Beam.

Dragon Pulse seems reasonable, since this Pokemon looks Dragon-ish, and will be pretty hard to abuse.

U-Turn has been shot down seventy times already.

Skull Bash is a pretty crappy move, but it fits with the concept.

Anceintpower's name suggests this guy should get it.

Power Gem is usually only given to those with "gems", like Starmie and Sableye. As such, I vote no.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

U-Turn and Power Gem will go to Disallowed. Dragon Pulse and Blizzard move to Allowed.

The remaining still need more people to discuss OUTSIDE of flavor arguments.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

Blizzard is a definate yes. Theres no reason for it NOT to learn it.

I support Dragon Pulse becaust its Dragonish and I don't see why not.

I still support U-Turn, its asthetically pleasing, but I appear to be outnumbered here.

Skull Bash is a yeas for thesame reasons as annoying stated.

Ancientpower is actually pretty fitting asthetically, and doesn't break him type-wise either. I say yes.

Power Gem is Gem Pokemon only. SmashCAP1 has no Gem, therefore, cannot learn Power Gem.
Edit: Ninja'd by Terywj

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Outrage, Skull Bash, and Ancientpower remain, although from the looks of it Skull Bash and Ancietpower will head into allowed, most likely.

-Terywj

 

[Wave⁂]

None of the non-U-Turn moves you listed are of any use competitively (on a bulky offense counter).

Blizzard would probably be disallowed if it had more than 8 max PP and this guy was immune to Hail.

Outrage doesn't get STAB, so even on a Choice Band (or Dragon Dance?) set it's not all that threatening. Being locked into Outrage is very bad.

 

[UltiMario]

I just realised how Outrage isn't terrible until you have STAB and at least base 100 attack to make it do any dent at all.

Outrage cannot break SmashCAP1 in any way, heck, if anything, having Outrage on your set might be unwise for a defensive Pokemon. Asthetically pleasing, and it does not give SmashCAP1 any notable advantage that could cause it to be broken.

Outrage for allowed

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Also, Pokemon like Bronzong are going to resist you anyways, so I see it as not a threat. Dragon Pulse would be better off handling Salamence, but then again you have Ice Beam.

-Terywj

 

[Terrador14]

You guys forgot Double Edge. To be honest, it should go Allowed... there is little, if any, reason not to have it.

Further Outrage and Ancientpower support, but nothing more to add to the debate.

 

[Wave⁂]

Double Edge has no effect except for mostly unresisted offensive typing, which kills you. Besides, the chance to hit something super-effectively is better than the chance to hit most things neutrally.

A crapton of Pokemon learn Double Edge, why not.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

One more vote for Double Edge and we'll be finished.

As for me I have no say in it. I'm neutral.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

Double Edge Allowed.
Why?
Theres no reason for it not to be allowed. If this thing can learn Outrage and Stone Edge-----
Wait a second, Stone Edge seems to have been sneaked into Unallowed, even though its really have neutral or positive results through the whole thread.....
Skull Bash didn't really get debate, but I don't see anything bashing on it, and its also in unallowed.

The F is this.
If it wasn't for Terrador bringing up Double-Edge, I would've never checked the list and noticed this.

I have a bad feeling about this.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Wait I thought Stone Edge was stated through Disallowed. Same thing with Skull Bash.

Double Edge goes allowed.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

I scouted the entire thread again.
Before I made the last scout list, Stone Edge was easily allowed.
After I made it, no positive or negative comments.

Skull Bash was deemed a crappy move overall, but it certainly isn't in the relm of unallowed.

Edit: I also noticed Iron Head appears to be completely missing.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Ahh. Very well.

All's well that ends well. And this thread is complete. The final list for offensive moves is as follows.

Allowed moves

Aqua Tail
Brine
Hydro Pump
Surf
Waterfall
Earthquake
Earth Power
Crunch
Pursuit
Aqua Jet
Ice Beam
Ice Fang
Dive
Rock Slide
Dragon Pulse
Blizzard
Ancientpower
Outrage
Double-Edge
Skull Bash
Stone Edge
Iron Head

Controversial moves

Unallowed moves
Super Fang
Fire Fang
Thunder Fang
Ice Shard
Head Smash
U-Turn
Power Gem
Hydro Cannon
Zen Headbutt

Spire, if you could lock and move this, it would be very appreciated.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

See the edit in my last post. Iron Head, which appears to be allowed from the posts, is missing completely.

Also, just noting that Zen Headbutt is Unallowed wouldn't hurt either, just so it isn't brought up again.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

It already has a huge movepoll as far as offense goes, I really don't think it needs anymore.

I will edit them in, though.

-Terywj

 

[UltiMario]

Zen Headbutt was UNALLOWED.

After that, I think we've got everything 100% covered.

lol

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Lol. Okay. Onto Non-Offensive moves. Thread has been posted.

-Terywj