Smash Bros meta-manga ideas?

[Lilfut]

Sorry if this is the wrong board, first of all...

I had an idea for a manga based on Smash. However, rather than the obvious route of making a SSE adaptation or something, I'm going to make it about the players, with action sequences in-game. Kind of like Yu-Gi-Oh. Anyway, I was wondering about any ideas for opponents and characters in the story. Here's what I have so far...

Hero - Falco - Uses much less camping than a normal Falco player. Strategy is loose and adaptable to his opponent, for story purposes.

Partner - Sonic - Only really shows up when the Hero has to do doubles. Uses mindgames to screw with the opponent, allowing the Hero to do serious damage. Also tends to rush in when the Hero is getting his *** kicked to occupy his opponent and allow him to recuperate.

Rival - Snake - Essentially, optimum Snake player. Uses nearly all high-level techniques, and is infuriatingly better than the Hero.

Quirk enemy - Jigglypuff - Fills the role of being better than he looks. I see him as being dressed as a clown, and using the Wiimote as his preferred controller. He first challenges the Hero in an items-high match on WarioWare. The Hero gets his *** kicked, and, after saying that he only lost because of the randomness, angrily insists on an items-off match on Battlefield, and... he gets his *** kicked again. The Hero barely pulls out a win, and ends up with an increased respect for players who appear foolish.

Counter enemy - Marth - The Hero hears about this guy from rumours about a "counter master". He is said to have a sixth sense that allows him to perfectly time any Counter, in addition to the aerial shenanigans expected of a pro Marth player. After a tense battle, the Hero barely laser spams his way to victory.

Villian - Meta Knight - SO HARDCORE YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW BRO. The Villian hs utterly mastered Meta Knight, and embodies nearly every negative stereotype of pro Smash players. Early on in the story, he challenges the Hero and the Partner to a 2-on-1 match, and wins soundly. The Hero's desire to beat the Villian kicks off the story.

Love Interest - Diddy Kong - As a player, the LI's Diddy Kong metagame is fairly basic, and her real role is in the story. I'm only including the character here for completion's sake.

Hack Enemy - Wisp - This player plays with mods. The Hero must adapt to a completely unknown character to pull out a victory. Might also be a team, with the partner using Cloud and being a stereotypical otaku.

Doubles team ideas:

Quirk pair - Wario/G&W - Use bizarre and unpredictable techniques, to great effect.

Mother/Son Duo - Ness/ZSS - The mother uses Ness, the son uses ZSS. To the surprise of the heroes.

Awesome and sucky - Captain Falcon/Ganondorf - The Falcon player is amazing, the Ganondorf player is terrible.

Creepy Psychic Twins - Ness/Lucas - Have one of those weird psychic twin links, allowing them to coordinate perfectly without saying a word. The Hero and Partner have to strengthen their own bond to win.

Counter Duo - Marth/Ike - The Marth player is also the Counter enemy. He picked up the Ike player, who also uses Counter often, just to be able to play in the doubles tourney. The Ike player is quite good, but the Marth player forces him to use a strategy he's no good at, so the Ike player leaves to join another group.

Doubles rivals - Ike/Dedede - This is the group the Ike player joins. Their strategies coordinate through throwing opponents into the other player, who does a KO move.

Trap Team - Lucario/Snake - A pair of ex-Marines. The Snake player mainly uses C4, both to trap enemies and increase Lucario's Aura, in addition to standard grenade-spamming, and also acts as a stock tank to help out Lucario. The Lucario player mainly uses Aura and Double Team. The battle starts out with the Hero and Partner clearly winning, but then the Trap Team reverses things towards the end, putting the Hero and Partner on the defensive. This battle takes place outside the tourney, so the Hero and Partner actually lose, forcing them to improve for later battles.

As for the story, I really only have a few vaguely formed ideas. Anyway, do any of you have suggestions for other characters?

 

[Ussi]

I would recommend the following:

Have crews, this will put more characters in the story, and with a doujin like this, you want more characters to attract a bigger audience since everyone wants to see their favorite character. Depending on your free time/ability to develop characters, crews of 4-8, this way you can make a separate doubles dedicated characters (Wario/______, G&W gimmicks, Anubis strat with Lucario). So, Hero, hero's friend and double's partner, and then doubles pro team in the crew, then additional characters if you want to do more than 4. Falco isn't really that great of a double's character so this works out. Then make references to actually known good teams (Snake/Diddy, Pikachu/Snake, ZSS/Ness) then theme teams!

Screw romance, treat this like a sports manga, keep it out. People want to see the action.

 

[Lilfut]

Well, the romance is far from a primary plot point. And thank you for your suggestions. Wario/G&W quirk pair will definitely be a thing, as well as ZSS/Ness (mainly due to the idea of the players being a mother/son team). I also just thought of having a Ganondorf/Ganondorf team, one of whom is awesome (kind of like the quirk enemy) and the other of whom is terrible. Any other thoughts?

 

[Ussi]

ZSS is not a character a mother would use, ZSS is what guys who like anime would pick.

General characters a female will chose: Pikachu, Kirby, Peach, Zelda, Marth, Ike, Ice climbers, Pit, and Yoshi

 

[Lilfut]

Hmm... that gives me an idea. Perhaps the Hero hears about a mother/son team playing ZSS and Ness... then it turns out the mother plays Ness and the son plays ZSS.

 

[Ussi]

Oh god, that's hilarious.

Oh counter enemy should team with Ike for lulz counter team

 

[Lilfut]

Another idea: a Ness/Lucas team. The two players are creepy twins with one of those psychic links, and they coordinate perfectly without any direct communication with each other. The Hero and Partner have to strengthen their own bond to win.

Keep in mind that there will be both doubles and singles. Counter guy seems like more of a singles player.

 

[Ussi]

Well so does the hero (With Falco and all), but the counter hero can be playing with another person who is supposedly a counter master as well but with Ike, and then when things don't work, the Ike counter master finds a real teammate (as Ike is more potent in doubles)

 

[Lilfut]

I'm thinking of saving Ike for an online tourney arc, given that Wi-Fi is where he shines IMO.

 

[Ussi]

No he doesn't (coming from an Ike main) Ike destroys at low levels of play because people have no reaction time and don't bother to adapt.

 

[Lilfut]

Well, at least he does in terms of dealing with lag, at least in my experience (I main Marth in physical play but Ike online).

 

[Ussi]

Well lets not stray off topic with wifi capabilities, I think wifi should stay out of the story, BUT you can have wifi warriors (basically people who are well known for wifi gameplay). Also you shouldn't be afraid to have multiple mains of the same character because this is a game they are playing so its fine, it'll be epic to see the hero ditto with another falco rival. (or meet like a legendary Falco player from before *reference a pro falco player*)

 

[Lilfut]

Yeah, that's true. I might have the Ike player be recurring, he starts as part of Counter Master's team, then appears in another team (ideas for a partner, btw?) then during a Wi-Fi tournament arc (of which there will be one or two tops).

 

[Ussi]

Hmm Ike/DDD is a really potent team both have throws that the other can follow up with an easy kill.

 

[Lilfut]

I also thought about having a Snake/Lucario team whose theme is reversal (with Snake's C4 and Lucario's Double Team and Aura). Maybe even have them be ex-Marines or something.

I'm gonna work on a rough script for the first issue tonight. It will be Hero vs. Partner vs. Rival vs. Love Interest (all of whom will be friends when the story starts), with the context of them just sort of playing at the Hero's house. There's some sort of out-of-match falling out, and the Rival becomes the Hero's... rival.

Also, I just realized the characters need names. I'm lost on ideas ATM, I'll try to come up with some later.

 

[Ussi]

Lucario's partner has got to be a stock tank (so Lucario can get the aura bonus), Snake does fit that role well.

i suggest watching some high level videos so you can understand how some characters work and how moves go together for cool combos. Also, do try to include cool ATs, (like Yoshi's dragonic reverse, and other stuff) I've got to do stuff now, so i'll check up here later. Good luck with this, the hardest part is not stopping.

 

[Lilfut]

I'm not gonna be on much today, due to personal issues. I will look into ATs, though. By the way, I admittedly have not found an artist yet. There are a couple IRL friends I'll ask, though. Just don't expect any test panels or anything.

Can't talk anymore for now. I will brainstorm new ideas while I'm off.

Edit: I just had an AMAZING idea. Spoilertagging because it will be a surprise when/if it happens.

Spoiler

What if the characters end up playing against Masahiro Sakurai? Now that I think of it, has he said who he mains?

 

[KrIsP!]

Well your obviously going to want to go the cliche tournament route. Not that it didn't infatuate me as a child or really work well for DBZ whenever it was brought out. I think though, you should start with melee and save brawl characters for a second...season. Really only because of the type of characters in both games, Snake and MK seem like your second season rival and it would always be nice to have the hero who finally makes a name for himself have to readjust. After the Hero pulls out a win with his misfit team which includes the cliche master, rival, loopy friend and girl who never played but does well for some reason...or girl who's really good and a strong female presence. One of the two.

Of course after your hero picks up the game for the ifrst time, goes to a few locals and gets destroyed until meeting a master to uber train him so he can go to a national which eventually falls apart and turns into some game-ending character threatening to ruin the world of this super srs vidja gaem.

I think you should go with Mega Man NT anime, characters that fight and talk along side their player in a virtual world seems better than this is my character I fight with him and he is nothing more than a virtual punching machine where as I, the player, have all the story. I mean unless you really made this into something visual then what's the point of forcing him to play one character if the character he plays is meaningless.

 

[Lilfut]

I have a more detailed outline of the plot and verse, but I don't have time to outline it right now. I will say, however, that Melee and 64 will both be used in flashback sequences.

Your idea for going NT Warrior is interesting, but I'm not sure how I feel about it.

 

[Ussi]

You definally want a pikachu player then as he was the best in 64. (and is high tier in brawl)

Season 2 villian can be olimar from japan (rofl)

 

[Lilfut]

So, basically, I'm going to have the main plot be a Brawl tournament. The town in which the story is set is obsessed with Smash. Nearly everyone owns a copy and plays. They hold a small singles tourney, and the 4 finalists (Hero, Partner, Rival, Villain) will be picked up for a major doubles tournament (based on APEX). The Hero and Partner pair up, as do the Rival and Villain. In between the tournament, there will be some breather matches (with the Quirk Enemy, for instance). In the end, the winner faces

Spoiler

Masahiro Sakurai, who I still need to know the main of

. Interspersed will be flashback sequences to Melee and 64. Going from Krisp's NT Warrior idea, the Partner will also be a tech genius who creates chatbots that use knowledge of the user's Brawl playing to generate conversations.

 

[Ussi]

Spoiler

Running gag Sakurai mains Ganondorf cause he used him once in a video. Don't think there is any record of him playing the game otherwise. You could make him main Kirby since he directs that series, or Pit cause he directed Kid Icarus

but Sakurai played with items, he doesn't play competitively. Brawl was made to be party game with as little skill needed to play the game.

 

[Lilfut]

I'd appreciate it if you spoiler'd stuff about the final opponent.

Spoiler

I'll probably make him main Kirby or Dedede. As for items, keep in mind that just because he prefers items doesn't mean he can't play without.

 

[Ussi]

Spoiler

He voiced DDD, so DDD is an excellent choice. Kirby is harder for Falco though compared to DDD who is an easy MU for Falco. Depends how you want the match to go. Like Falco is considered a hard counter to DDD while Kirby is considered even at best, if not an advantage for Kirby. If you want, he can use both, where he counter picks Kirby after losing with DDD

 

[Lilfut]

Spoiler

Even better idea I just had: Sakurai does Kirby and Dedede as a team, a wiimote in each hand, just to highlight how unbelievably badass he is.

 

[Evil Eye]

So out of curiosity - can you draw?

Or is this idea merely that.

 

[Ussi]

Spoiler

Even better idea I just had: Sakurai does Kirby and Dedede as a team, a wiimote in each hand, just to highlight how unbelievably badass he is.

Spoiler

just what this ridiculous doujin needs!

@Evil Eye he said earlier he can't draw, only write. He's gonna ask friends to draw.

 

[Lilfut]

And I can choreograph fight scenes, particularly given Smash has fairly rigidly-defined rules.

So, for the chatbot system, should it be widely in use or only by the main group? I ask because the inventor is going to be the Partner, so the main group will obviously have the latest prototype or whatever, but should everyone else have a similar thing?

Also, updated OP with a new enemy and some teams.