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Mewtwo is in Smash 4. There is no reason for Melee to exist anymore.


He REALLY should have just included Dedede. (its funny how Wario "deserved better" than being a clone, but Ganondorf didnt :p)
I think the 6 clones is a better choice. Melee's roster would have been to small otherwise. With the roster size now, I think an original character is better than beefing it up with clones because it really doesn't need beefing up, its quite large as it is.
 

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He REALLY should have just included Dedede. (its funny how Wario "deserved better" than being a clone, but Ganondorf didnt :p)
He had zero ideas for Ganondorf and clearly some for Wario. Then Ganondorf got some notable changes, and plus, he never had a sword in canon till after Melee even. In OOT, Ganondorf with an immense magical powerhouse with one projectile. Other than Warlock Punch being Dead Man's Volley at best, there was no material to work with. He did him justice, honestly.

And Melee and Smash 4 still have a different roster and have many diferences. Melee is notable. ;)
 

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Does anyone know how Serebii feels about Mewtwo in smash 4

Because he was on a campaign against Ninendo to remove Mewtwo from the smash series
He's a damn fool who didn't get his way then, and now. I could honestly care less about his input on anything Smash related.

Actually, you know what? Ignore this. I don't want to start anything bad.
 
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I think the 6 clones is a better choice. Melee's roster would have been to small otherwise. With the roster size now, I think an original character is better than beefing it up with clones because it really doesn't need beefing up, its quite large as it is.
I preffer a balanced and diverse roster than a padded out one for the sake of more slots.
He had zero ideas for Ganondorf and clearly some for Wario. Then Ganondorf got some notable changes, and plus, he never had a sword in canon till after Melee even. In OOT, Ganondorf with an immense magical powerhouse with one projectile. Other than Warlock Punch being Dead Man's Volley at best, there was no material to work with. He did him justice, honestly.

And Melee and Smash 4 still have a different roster and have many diferences. Melee is notable. ;)
And maybe thats why he should have gone with Dedede instead and give us proper Ganondorf in Brawl. And honestly, even then, Sakurai gave him the sword he had in Spaceworld trailer in his win animations so thats a basic moveset, just add some of his OOT moves (and I could make you a movelist out of pre-WW moves alone, I mean its not like borrowing stuff from Ganon would have met any objections, and even then, I could use OOT alone if I tried hard enough), and badabing-badaboom, theres a Ganondorf.
 

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I preffer a balanced and diverse roster than a padded out one for the sake of more slots.

And maybe thats why he should have gone with Dedede instead and give us proper Ganondorf in Brawl. And honestly, even then, Sakurai gave him the sword he had in Spaceworld trailer in his win animations so thats a basic moveset, just add some of his OOT moves (and I could make you a movelist out of pre-WW moves alone, I mean its not like borrowing stuff from Ganon would have met any objections, and even then, I could use OOT alone if I tried hard enough), and badabing-badaboom, theres a Ganondorf.
I prefer Melee with 26 characters, not 20. The ones with original movesets are diverse enough for me.
Also there was the fact that Melee's development time wasn't that big, having to both meet deadlines and answer to the enormous fan demand for a greatly increased roster number.
 
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And maybe thats why he should have gone with Dedede instead and give us proper Ganondorf in Brawl. And honestly, even then, Sakurai gave him the sword he had in Spaceworld trailer in his win animations so thats a basic moveset, just add some of his OOT moves (and I could make you a movelist out of pre-WW moves alone, I mean its not like borrowing stuff from Ganon would have met any objections, and even then, I could use OOT alone if I tried hard enough), and badabing-badaboom, theres a Ganondorf.
The sword from the tech demo is a bonus to make him look cool. It has no real gameplay applications since he can't watch tons of footage of a Link VS Ganondorf battle, just a short demo video.

No, he gave us tons of great characters and it worked out better for the playerbase. Not even doubling 64's size of the roster would've really hurt the game's popularity. Ganondorf was represented beautifully, besides missing one canon move, his energy balls. That was it. His Warlock Punch is pretty much an impact punch as powerful as his earthquake punch. His other specials were meh, but he was never shown as some sword weilder. He was always shown in various media as having a trident or using lots of magic. Even as Ganon still. To be frank, I wish they never started giving him a sword, as it turned his magical properties, what defined him, into a damn joke. Smash is the only series to really concentrate on what he is, a sorcerer.

And he wouldn't be any better as a sword user anyway. It's really difficult to make them feel unique. Due to Ganondorf's weight, range, damage, and power, he feels extremely different from Falcon. He probably would've felt less unique with a sword. All he has is some animations shared with one character, otherwise, he's played as a pretty unique character. Especially since he requires a very different metagame from everyone else, but especially Falcon. It's dual swords(not really a playstyle used by anyone), or he would not be a very unique sword user at this point.

I definitely like having 26 instead of 22 characters. And leaving the Zelda series without their main villain is just horrid. Never mind it weakens a ton of series to making them badly represented. King Dedede was not worth it in Melee. He's totally worth it in Brand and 4, though. I miss all cuts myself. Pichu was one of my favorites to play, if not my favorite Pokemon choice. Young Link was really fun, even if Link was better.
 
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The sword from the tech demo is a bonus to make him look cool. It has no real gameplay applications since he can't watch tons of footage of a Link VS Ganondorf battle, just a short demo video.

No, he gave us tons of great characters and it worked out better for the playerbase. Not even doubling 64's size of the roster would've really hurt the game's popularity. Ganondorf was represented beautifully, besides missing one canon move, his energy balls. That was it. His Warlock Punch is pretty much an impact punch as powerful as his earthquake punch. His other specials were meh, but he was never shown as some sword weilder. He was always shown in various media as having a trident or using lots of magic. Even as Ganon still. To be frank, I wish they never started giving him a sword, as it turned his magical properties, what defined him, into a damn joke. Smash is the only series to really concentrate on what he is, a sorcerer.
Smash concentrates on him being an MMA fighter rather than a sorcerer, as in something he never did (besides punching ground one I guess, which SHOULD have been its own move). If he was a sorcerer, he would have had a big projectile play, and be closer to Zelda in moveset. Making him a Falcon clone just because of body properties was the dumbest idea, I rather have never had him at all and then got a proper one in Brawl.

And again, 22 unique characters sounds fine compared to 20 characters plus clones. Quality vs Quantity.
 

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Pichu was my favorite clone in Melee.

Still have 11 headgears to go. It's been days since I last unlocked one, and I have been playing a lot of Smash Run, Classic, and Trophy Rush. Besides the last two challenges to unlock 3 trophies, I still need to find 3 random trophies. It doesn't help that today I haven't been able to beat Classic on 9.0 because at least one character will somehow survive past 200% in a free-for-all then KO me...but then I haven't gotten anything new besides equipment anyways. I just prefer not having to continue so that I can earn more coins for trophy rush...
 

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Smash concentrates on him being an MMA fighter rather than a sorcerer, as in something he never did (besides punching ground one I guess, which SHOULD have been its own move). If he was a sorcerer, he would have had a big projectile play, and be closer to Zelda in moveset. Making him a Falcon clone just because of body properties was the dumbest idea, I rather have never had him at all and then got a proper one in Brawl.

And again, 22 unique characters sounds fine compared to 20 characters plus clones. Quality vs Quantity.
Mewtwo was one of the lowest quality characters, so... not really. Seriously, everybody else is actually able to do a lot more notable stuff. He just was awful. He's fun, but not good at all. Roy is pretty low quality too. Pichu surprisingly is not. He has a huge difference from his clone due to their metagame choices. Young Link and Ganondorf are the only high quality characters. Dr. Mario, Roy, and Falco were the most similar to the others. And only one was severely worse. The others were almost in the same spot in the tier list as their parent, which means any quality done to the parent was pretty well done to the clone. Quality is all about effort into making them able to do things. Pichu seems low quality, but then we realize he has his strengths. He actually requires more skill to work with, and completely decimates the best boss in the game, Giga Bowser. Jigglypuff would, but she can't defend well against him and is only good against his nerfed variant in Event 51. Pichu cannot be hit by Giga Bowser outside of his Bowser Bomb and a few downwards attacks. He gets under most attacks and cannot be grabbed. When a character can eat another for breakfast, I'd say they have quite a bit of quality to them. Even it it's not severely high. Melee was badly tested, but it's a high quality game regardless. Brawl had far worse testing and more broken gameplay anyway. Clones are not low quality things at all. In fact, Brawl's immense content gave them little time to polish the game, so it's where the quality was overrun by the quantity. Melee had better quality, which makes yoru complaint kind of ironic.

And incorrect; That is not what magic is at all(just one small aspect). Magic has tons of variation. Magical Armor, Magic being used to amplify your attacks/weapons. He is using magic in a way only a person with the Triforce of Power can, by using power moves. He was not going to be in Melee as some unique guy. And may not have been lucky enough to get in Brawl as a very unique character. In fact, it probably would've been Toon Ganondorf just because it'd make him unique enough to be a choice. But a single sword Ganondorf was beyond unlikely(never mind he can barely bring much to the table unless he was a carbon copy of Soul Calibur!Nightmare, who has a very unique sword moveset, one that's similar to how Ganondorf could act. Extreme power and range. And pretty different from Ike too. Nightmare's style concentrated more on whipping the opponent around the screen, even so far as throwing them into the 3D plane, and even using his sword as a throw). Ganondorf fits in very well right now into the series. Let's not forget his first attack with his Sage's Sword(the only one he used in canon other than his Katanas in his Ganondorf persona) was a powerful thrust, which he has now. He's properly using it, and the way he uses it in TP isn't exactly very unique compared to other sword users, so adding that would bring nothing worthwhile to the table. Ganondorf still oozes magic and power. Just like his original self, till, well, WW. Even in the cartoons/comics/mangas. I don't see see in any way how he isn't treated rather well, especially for a clone. In Brawl, sure, because he was terribly implemented due to his crappy weight, range, and speed. Which is fixed in 4. He's very good in Melee and 4, so I don't see how it's a problem. He uses his sword now. One attack for an underused weapon in most of the series seems pretty good to me. He's using it about as often as he really did at this point.

Let me tell you a little story about a game centered solely around Magic that I play. The character has projectiles, area attacks, huge pillars of fire/water, the ability to heal, absorb damage to gain back MP, increase his defense, increase his staff's damage, use his staff to drain enemies to heal, a OHKO spell, something to remove all status effects, rocks being thrown, and so on. That's Quest 64, probably one of the greatest examples of just how varied Magic really is. Maybe not enough, but it's pretty damn good at showcasing variety.
 
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To note, the long post that talks about that is unreliable. So maybe. If it is true, Dr. Mario was made as a clone instead of Wario. Same with Falco instead of Wolf. Pokemon Trainer was an idea back then apparently too. He did want a Gen II rep, and Pichu just happened to work well later on when he went with the clones. No Zelda characters were mentioned in that post from what I remember, so Ganondorf's addition was pretty much "clone or nothing" at that point.

It was apparently from a Famitsu article, but the site it was posted on wasn't credible. I think Pit was listed too, which I think was mentioned as real of him "wanting to put Pit in since the first game".
It's funny, Ice Climbers were chosen over Pit and Balloon Fighter as the NES character in Melee, and only 1, that being the former, was announced for Brawl.
 
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It's funny, Ice Climbers were chosen over Pit and Balloon Fighter as the NES character in Melee, and only 1, that being the former, was announced for Brawl.
True. Pit had issues, as animating the wings was hard, something that wasn't a problem for IC's.

I'd say it makes sense. And Balloon Fighter does kind of lack... stuff it can do. Outside of an Assist Trophy/Hazard. Being well shown off with Villager seems to work well~
 

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So...I just got a new headgear and lost it to Master Edge...This is the second time this has happened. I am upset that I've lost two headgears to Master Edge.
 

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Mewtwo was the lowest quality character, so... not really. Seriously, everybody else is actually able to do a lot more notable stuff. He just was awful. He's fun, but not good at all.
Maybe with less clones they could have had time polished him up ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). And you know what I mean by quality, unique movesets! But yea, noone disagrees that Mewtwo... needed a lot more work. He's fun, but not very good at all.... but still better that Pichu. That thing was terrible.
And incorrect; That is not what magic is at all(just one small aspect). Magic has tons of variation. Magical Armor, Magic being used to amplify your attacks/weapons. He is using magic in a way only a person with the Triforce of Power can, by using power moves. He was not going to be in Melee as some unique guy. And may not have been lucky enough to get in Brawl as a very unique character. In fact, it probably would've been Toon Ganondorf just because it'd make him unique enough to be a choice. But a single sword Ganondorf was beyond unlikely(never mind he can barely bring much to the table unless he was a carbon copy of Soul Calibur!Nightmare, who has a very unique sword moveset, one that's similar to how Ganondorf could act. Extreme power and range. And pretty different from Ike too. Nightmare's style concentrated more on whipping the opponent around the screen, even so far as throwing them into the 3D plane, and even using his sword as a throw). Ganondorf fits in very well right now into the series. Let's not forget his first attack with his Sage's Sword(the only one he used in canon other than his Katanas in his Ganondorf persona) was a powerful thrust, which he has now. He's properly using it, and the way he uses it in TP isn't exactly very unique compared to other sword users, so adding that would bring nothing worthwhile to the table. Ganondorf still oozes magic and power. Just like his original self, till, well, WW. Even in the cartoons/comics/mangas. I don't see see in any way how he isn't treated rather well, especially for a clone. In Brawl, sure, because he was terribly implemented due to his crappy weight, range, and speed. Which is fixed in 4. He's very good in Melee and 4, so I don't see how it's a problem. He uses his sword now. One attack for an underused weapon in most of the series seems pretty good to me. He's using it about as often as he really did at this point.

Let me tell you a little story about a game centered solely around Magic that I play. The character has projectiles, area attacks, huge pillars of fire/water, the ability to heal, absorb damage to gain back MP, increase his defense, increase his staff's damage, use his staff to drain enemies to heal, a OHKO spell, something to remove all status effects, rocks being thrown, and so on. That's Quest 64, probably one of the greatest examples of just how varied Magic really is. Maybe not enough, but it's pretty damn good at showcasing variety.
Maybe if he used any of this in his games, or had unique way to use then instead of copying Falcon (granted he had some differences implemented later in Brawl, but not enough), I wouldnt be so salty about Fighterdorf.

And yea, I would take Nightmaredorf over Falcondorf, at least it would be unique to have a trully slow and heavy sword fighter. Not being able to come up with moves is a personal problem I feel.
 
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So, I started my replay of pm64.

So far, I see a lot of stuff that TTYD reused after...some are quite deep.

But I have new theory about earthbound.

Do you think that tuna, the whale in ch5 is inspired by ressie from earthbound?

I tought it could be...
 

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Maybe with less clones they could have had time polished him up ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°). And you know what I mean by quality, unique movesets! But yea, noone disagrees that Mewtwo... needed a lot more work. He's fun, but not very good at all.... but still better that Pichu. That thing was terrible.
Pichu is amazing, though. As were every clone. None played bad in any way. Pichu had a disadvantage, but could easily wreck when you made the effort to.

Unique Movesets are in no way a sign of quality. Mewtwo would've more than likely been exactly the same. All the 6 clones took away from was the exact amount of time(as noted by Sakurai) to make King Dedede. He pretty much said that he could either make six clones or make King Dedede and that was it. He also rushed Melee out, so this time does not magically exist. Mewtwo pretty much was going to be the same unless he had a lot more time, which was not an option. You would not gotten anything else. You need to seriously just accept it was exactly 6 clones or 1 King Dedede. And nada beyond that.

Maybe if he used any of this in his games, or had unique way to use then instead of copying Falcon, I wouldnt be so salty about Fighterdorf.
Being a lame projectile user wouldn't make him unique. He's the only super powerful slow monk in the game effectively. That's actually far more unique. Sharing the animations doesn't change he plays severely differently from his counterpart. I'd like to remind you that the moveset clones in Melee are all animation based, not power, knockback, or damage-based. They only have about the same range at best. 4's is actually a different story, where 2/3 of them are effectively the same character, with Dr. Mario being highly different, to the point of Smash 4's Luigi almost.

And yea, I would take Nightmaredorf over Falcondorf, at least it would be unique to have a trully slow and heavy sword fighter. Not being able to come up with moves is a personal problem I feel.
And he'd only be possible in Smash 4, well after Ganondorf's Smash debut. Meaning he wouldn't have been in Brawl either. Frankly, I'm glad he's there and represented as a massive strong character who utilizes his immense strength, sword, and magic in a really neat way. Only Toon Ganondorf or Ganon(the pig) with a sword is possible now. As a major part of their moveset. I can't see any reasont o care about giving Ganondorf a sword when he didn't have one till freaking WW and TP. OOT(the tech demo is not canon, therefore, is 100% irrelevant for moveset usage, and that's exactly what happened too).
 

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Pichu is amazing, though. As were every clone. None played bad in any way. Pichu had a disadvantage, but could easily wreck when you made the effort to.

Unique Movesets are in no way a sign of quality. Mewtwo would've more than likely been exactly the same. All the 6 clones took away from was the exact amount of time(as noted by Sakurai) to make King Dedede. He pretty much said that he could either make six clones or make King Dedede and that was it. He also rushed Melee out, so this time does not magically exist. Mewtwo pretty much was going to be the same unless he had a lot more time, which was not an option. You would not gotten anything else. You need to seriously just accept it was exactly 6 clones or 1 King Dedede. And nada beyond that.
And I'd be fine with that, since now with 4 were getting a reworked Mewtwo.

Being a lame projectile user wouldn't make him unique. He's the only super powerful slow monk in the game effectively. That's actually far more unique. Sharing the animations doesn't change he plays severely differently from his counterpart. I'd like to remind you that the moveset clones in Melee are all animation based, not power, knockback, or damage-based. They only have about the same range at best. 4's is actually a different story, where 2/3 of them are effectively the same character, with Dr. Mario being highly different, to the point of Smash 4's Luigi almost.


And he'd only be possible in Smash 4, well after Ganondorf's Smash debut. Meaning he wouldn't have been in Brawl either. Frankly, I'm glad he's there and represented as a massive strong character who utilizes his immense strength, sword, and magic in a really neat way. Only Toon Ganondorf or Ganon(the pig) with a sword is possible now. As a major part of their moveset. I can't see any reasont o care about giving Ganondorf a sword when he didn't have one till freaking WW and TP. OOT(the tech demo is not canon, therefore, is 100% irrelevant for moveset usage, and that's exactly what happened too).
Being a clone doesnt make him unique though, besides properties and speed he had moves that behaved the exact same way and had the exact same animations, he was different enough to warrant being in there I guess, but really, they should have hold him back for the sake of his future. Besides, if Koei can make stuff up for Hyrule Warriors and Sakurai implemented jet shoes for Samus, he can give Ganondorf a sword and everyone would be happy.

And again, I rather have had him wait one or two games to make Ganondorf his own man. I rather not have something than have it half-assed.
 
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I have only 2 challenges left, the 50 hours in Smash and all moves, headgear, and outfits.
I wanted to get the 50 hours one out of the way, so I just plugged in my 3DS and started a 99-stock match with me and 3 Lv. 1 Jigglypuffs.
It's been an hour and a half and collectively we have lost 9 stocks.
 

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I have only 2 challenges left, the 50 hours in Smash and all moves, headgear, and outfits.
I wanted to get the 50 hours one out of the way, so I just plugged in my 3DS and started a 99-stock match with me and 3 Lv. 1 Jigglypuffs.
It's been an hour and a half and collectively we have lost 9 stocks.
Are you using Captain Falcon? The 99-stock match goes faster when you use his side special against those balloon creatures.
 
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I realize I must look like the biggest hypocrite right now since I mained Ganondorf in Melee. I rather we have had a second F-Zero rep like Black Shadow as a clone instead, and then have proper Ganondorf later. Would fit much better I feel. But then the whole Dedede thing wouldnt work out I guess. Eh. Maybe I'l leave decision making to Sakurai, he seems good enough at it.
 
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Should I get Pokemon HG/SS, B/W, or B2/W2?

Honestly, there's some little things that interest me in the Unova games, and I really would like to experience the story of B/W but I haven't really played any of these games so... I'm not sure. But if I could find a game under $40, maybe I could get two (have to do research on the prices).
Depends on what you're looking for. All of them have their good points and bad points, and depending on what you like to experience, one may be more preferable then the other.

HGSS doesn't fix the flaws that GSC had (level curve being a notable one), and some of the issues with Gen 4 like the slowness of the battle are still present. However, it is still a great game as it's a nice nostalgia trip with a good post game, and the additions they do add are fun to play with.

BW is if you're looking for something a bit different from the usual Pokémon games. It's the first (and so far, only) one to really put more emphasis on its story, and depending on how you feel about that you can really enjoy it or not.

B2W2 continues the story, but it's not necessary to have BW to understand it. The main game is considered weaker then BW, but it trades that for easily one of the best post-games in the franchise. Between Black City/White Forest and their tower areas, PWT, Pokestar Studios and the like, there's a lot you can do on you own, and it makes it fun to play with for quite some time. Plus, with Join Avenue, you can get a very useful area for training, berries and the like.

Personally, I would recommend either BW or B2W2 based on my experience, but I don't think you can go wrong with any of the three.

Does anyone know how Serebii feels about Mewtwo in smash 4

Because he was on a campaign against Ninendo to remove Mewtwo from the smash series
I don't know about the campaign, but I do know that he said that he wanted to see Mewtwo not be playable just to see how people reacted. I'm assuming (or at least, hoping) he was joking though.
 

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Just realized I miscounted the amount of headgears there are. I only have 6 left. Would be 4 if I didn't lose two of them to Classic at 9.0...So once that challenge is done, I'll be going for the 50 hours without leaving the game on. Once both are done, I'd automatically get a third trophy for finishing the third panel. Besides the three trophies from that, I have two more trophies to encounter randomly...Trophy Rush seems to do a pretty good job at it, but it has only gotten repeat headgears and mostly repeat custom moves.
 

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And I'd be fine with that, since now with 4 were getting a reworked Mewtwo.
I doubt he's going to be anything beyond buffed a few move changes. He's still a veteran, and all veterans keep most of their moveset, buffs or otherwise.

Being a clone doesnt make him unique though, besides properties and speed he had moves that behaved the exact same way and had the exact same animations, he was different enough to warrant being in there I guess, but really, they should have hold him back for the sake of his future. Besides, if Koei can make stuff up for Hyrule Warriors and Sakurai implemented jet shoes for Samus, he can give Ganondorf a sword and everyone would be happy.
They behaved very differently, man. No, giving him a sword would not make "everyone" happy. I'd drop him like a sack of potatoes unless those "sword moves" are almost exactly the same as his earlier moves, just with a clearly changed animation. His moveset is almost the same through all 3 games and he feels mostly the same, with his major difference being his speed and weight as well as now super armor. I only play him solely because he feels like he was in Melee to a large degree. Nobody feels severely different. Any severe changes to their movesets is truly alienating. That hurts far more fans than pleasing a few who barely understand what Ganondorf is all about. See my next paragraph for why Ganondorf is truly an amazing homage to his character. Instead of being yet another sword user who wouldn't bring jack to the table alone by that(sword users are starting to rarely show up for a reason. We got a clone with less range, a sword user who actually uses short strikes and magic(completely different from the rest), and one who doesn't feel all that unique, but his playstyle is still interesting enough on its own. In fact, Sakurai said "he almost didn't make it" when he talked about Shulk. Likely because he couldn't find much unique from yet another sword user.

And again, I rather have had him wait one or two games to make Ganondorf his own man. I rather not have something than have it half-*****.
There is nothing half-assed at all. :facepalm: He acts just like his home self. A severe brute who destroys lives. And he does it without relying on some weapon but his magic. Just like he's done in his home series. He only used a sword to fight Link, and no one else. And that's what he's doing here. He has one sword attack, which covers that appropriate bit. And he brutally destroys his enemies, just how he was designed in the first place as a human. He still acts very cunning, as Brawl's SSE shows. He's widely appropriate to his real self. Giving him a sword weakens his characterization by a severe amount.

In the end, I don't buy he would've been every unique as a sword user, because his window of opportunity was Melee. If Sakurai seriously wanted a major sword user, he would've chosen Toon Ganondorf since his dual sword gameplay would bring far more to the table. This single sword stuff just doesn't work. You cannot take TP Ganondorf and make him Nightmaredorf without alienating the entire fanbase for him. It's simple; His sword is not important enough to be used heavily. And he can't retain most of his moveset(which is deemed highly important to Sakurai, since he doesn't want to alienate the fanbase, which he pretty clearly has succeeded in that), unless it's literally the same or near same moveset with "the sword is the animation, but he's still using a kick right now hitbox-wise and how it worked in the previous game". That's acceptable since it pleases previous fans and newer ones who thinks his sword is some severely defining feature(despite being the least important part of his character as a whole. His sorcerer abilities and ruthlessness are his truly defining features. Who he just happens to show perfectly. No, projectiles don't make you a sorcerer. Using magic does. Period).
 

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In the end, I don't buy he would've been every unique as a sword user, because his window of opportunity was Melee. If Sakurai seriously wanted a major sword user, he would've chosen Toon Ganondorf since his dual sword gameplay would bring far more to the table. This single sword stuff just doesn't work. You cannot take TP Ganondorf and make him Nightmaredorf without alienating the entire fanbase for him. It's simple; His sword is not important enough to be used heavily. And he can't retain most of his moveset(which is deemed highly important to Sakurai, since he doesn't want to alienate the fanbase, which he pretty clearly has succeeded in that), unless it's literally the same or near same moveset with "the sword is the animation, but he's still using a kick right now hitbox-wise and how it worked in the previous game". That's acceptable since it pleases previous fans and newer ones who thinks his sword is some severely defining feature(despite being the least important part of his character as a whole. His sorcerer abilities and ruthlessness are his truly defining features. Who he just happens to show perfectly. No, projectiles don't make you a sorcerer. Using magic does. Period).
Making a flaming fist is barely magic. Is Captain Falcon a wizard? I mean if he teleported or used it for anything else than punching I would agree, but no, thats barely magic. Its just purple.

His sword fighting became one of his most defining features over the years. His major boss fights after OOT (and EVEN IN OOT while being Ganon) all focused on a straight-up sword duels, and even before that he used a trident. You know what he never did? Throw a single punch (outside of cut-scenes later on and that ground slam in OOT, which was more of a shockware creator than an aimed attack). So no, its not accurate at all. He's a weapon fighter, described as such in games.

And yes, EVERYONE would be happy, if Falcondorf didnt exist we wouldnt even have this conversation.

But you cant change the past, and I accepted him as he is, but I still want him to get as far from Falcon as possible. His custom sword special should have been his default move this time around.
 

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I don't know about the campaign, but I do know that he said that he wanted to see Mewtwo not be playable just to see how people reacted. I'm assuming (or at least, hoping) he was joking though.
I was there at the time

He wasn't joking

He thought Mewtwo's low tier ranking was a disgrace on the pokemon series, and instead of fixing him, wrote Nintendo to have him removed
 

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Making a flaming fist is barely magic. Is Captain Falcon a wizard? I mean if he teleported or used it for anything else than punching I would agree, but no, thats barely magic. Its just purple.
You're kidding me, right? It's officially a magical attack. Falcon Punch is not. He's based upon Japanese Superheroes. Captain Falcon's is meant to be around super powers. Ganondorf is entirely based around magic. It's 100% and officially magic in every way. It's called Warlock Punch for a reason, dude. Stop straw-grasping here. It has always been magic. And always will be.

Let me explain to you about something about Monks(which he fights like one). They have an energy source for how they fight. These are energy attacks. Sometimes they can be magic, or they can be chi. His 1 and only source is magic. How do you channel your magical ability when you have tons of muscles? Into your fist or body. That's the most logical thing. Or a weapon if you have it. Which he does not. You talk about his Trident, but Ganondorf has never used one. So why would he in Smash? He now used his sword(and has it in his taunts, which is a part of his moveset, at least, just not the part that affects battle much), but want to really know what happen he had in OOT? A dagger. Ganon(a different form) has two swords. Doesn't count. You know what did Ganondorf did in WW? He choke slammed Link(and what do you know, he has a choke move now. How's that for canon stuff?) and used his magic to turn into Puppet Ganon, who had absolutely zero weapons but quite literally his physical body. Which he used to pretty well slam Link around. He doesn't fight like a brute? Bull. That's the only way he really fights in the first game. He concentrates heavily on magic in the TV show too. I can't remember exactly how he fought in the comics/manga.

His sword fighting became one of his most defining features over the years. His major boss fights after OOT (and EVEN IN OOT while being Ganon) all focused on a straight-up sword duels, and even before that he used a trident. You know what he never did? Throw a single punch (outside of cut-scenes later on and that ground slam in OOT, which was more of a shockware creator than an aimed attack). So no, its not accurate at all. He's a weapon fighter, described as such in games.
And Ganon didn't use a Trident in every fight and used lots of magic too. In fact, he had barely any non-magic moves with his trident. He swung it what, once? One version? Before Melee, that is? He's barely done any major moves with his trident that can be taken and used in these games(so obvious it wasn't). He's not heavily a weapon user at all. Most of the time, he's shown off either manipulating someone, beating someone up with his bare fists(namely Link), or kidnapping Zelda.

And yes, EVERYONE would be happy, if Falcondorf didnt exist we wouldnt even have this conversation.
But he does. And it will never change and it will always be the case. That argument fails because it's what it factually as.

Everyone? What the hell, dude. I just goddamn told you I would hate it. You need some serious help if you think everybody would accept this severe change. You would. Remember, it's Sakurai who talked about avoiding alienating the playerbase. That's the official reason he's relatively the same like every character in the series. He doesn't deserve that kind of attention.

But you cant change the past, and I accepted him as he is, but I still want him to get as far from Falcon as possible. His custom sword special should have been his default move this time around.
Unless the default move is completely diffrent from their past self()See: FLUDD), it should be the same as the previous game. Period. He will never move away from Falcon, and it's good too. Because he's represented as the severe brute he always has been. He's not some sword user as Ganondorf as his main draw. He's a magical brute he destroys things. You're only looking at what he does in one fight, not what he does consistently as a character. Literally the only time where he's a sword fighter as a major thing is Hyrule Warriors, a spin-off that has no bearing on the regular Zelda series. Also, if you've accepted it, why on earth are you arguing this vemently about it? Don't feed me that. You clearly have not accepted his permanent fate. Move on, dude. He'll be Falcondorf forever. And that's okay, because the fans clearly aren't vocal enough(especially the minority who dislike it) for Sakurai to care or listen to. Otherwise, we'd have seen a change by now. A major change. He realizes the sword is barely notable, so he added it just like that. Makes sense to me.

Oh, and fyi? Destroying Ganondorf's entire moveset to add it to Black Shadow is a severe kick in Black Shadow's fans faces(seriously, he can get his own moveset like Ganondorf at least has in some way) and to Ganondorf's fan's faces(since they like his moveset as it stands). Ganondorf got an amazing moveset full of terrifying powerful moves and severe magic usage(he's been cited heavily as a sorcerer and was directly trained as one by Koume and Kotake, his Mothers). Seems pretty true to his canon self to work mostly with magic to me. And that's the only time we saw his actual training in the storyline. It was told to us and all. Ganondorf pretty much never had characterization as a sword user. All his great stuff came from his usage of magic and his brutal disposition.

I was there at the time

He wasn't joking

He thought Mewtwo's low tier ranking was a disgrace on the pokemon series, and instead of fixing him, wrote Nintendo to have him removed
...You sure he isn't Soul Blazer? >_>
 
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I was there at the time

He wasn't joking

He thought Mewtwo's low tier ranking was a disgrace on the pokemon series, and instead of fixing him, wrote Nintendo to have him removed
That's dumb. Characters being on low tier ranking doesn't mean they are disgrace and should be removed. If it was real, then Ness, Bowser and Kirby would haved been removed.
 
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Did anyone see they lowered the quality of amiibos?

I preordered all of them, but I'm going to cancel my orders now

I don't want to pay that much money for low quality
 

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Did anyone see they lowered the quality of amiibos?

I preordered all of them, but I'm going to cancel my orders now

I don't want to pay that much money for low quality
You preordered all of them? Anyway I don't see a difference from before, but they do cost way too much. I'm getting maybe 2 or 3 of them and that's it.
 

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You preordered all of them? Anyway I don't see a difference from before, but they do cost way too much. I'm getting maybe 2 or 3 of them and that's it.
You don't see the difference from this



or This



It's more than just Peach's upskirt. WTF did they do to her face? They elongated it for some bizarre reason. Also that ugly yellow rod with link
 

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I'm only going to get special characters now

Dedede, ROB, Duck Hunt, and Bowser Jr

Maybe Little Mac

But that's it
 

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Well, I am glad they removed the panty shot. That was dumb anyway.

Link seems fine. The rod color means little to me. As long as it's sturdy.
 

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Amiibos are a figma collector's goldmine. That said, I'm only probably getting ROB.\

So they removed the panty shot. E10+, I suppose.
 
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Well, I am glad they removed the panty shot. That was dumb anyway.

Link seems fine. The rod color means little to me. As long as it's sturdy.
Better images show there is more changes than just the ugly rod

All figures are massively lowered in quality

I'm used to buying high quality figures and I expect high quality for my money
 
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