Social Smash 4 Social 6.0 - 『ONE YEAR OF SOCIAL 6.0!』

[Jaedrik]

I mean whenever I start a match I will say I'm suck.
On FG I will be amused if I lost to pros, in fact, I will still feel down when I even lose to pros, I already know what I do wrong and I still can't improve it.... I'm not being arrogant, I just feel bad when losing, in this case what can I do? Once again, I never blame anyone, I only blame for some situations...

First, you must assure yourself that, no matter what you do, there is no guarantee of becoming better. However, there are some advisable practical steps to start seeing what you're doing wrong.

Watch people play. Preferably pros, or people that are better than you. What you're doing is training your observational skills. A good benchmark is if you can name every move a pro does (not out loud, that'd be a tounge twister) without pausing to think about it and with near absolute certainty. Then start working on naming every move BOTH pros do. You can start or move on to things other than moves at any point. For example, more subtle stuff like drifting in the air to achieve good spacing is hard to notice, but if you can start noticing when pros do it, and start explaining to yourself why they did it, especially in relation to the capacity an actions the other pro could or does take in response, then you're well on your way to getting an analytical mind.

At some point, quick, near instant analysis will likely become second nature.
Constructing a fully-formed narrative, truly understanding what's going on in a match before you respond, is imperative to understanding your own failings, and thus how to improve. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2013/07/24/sports-gene-excerpt

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

First, you must assure yourself that, no matter what you do, there is no guarantee of becoming better. However, there are some advisable practical steps to start seeing what you're doing wrong.

Watch people play. Preferably pros, or people that are better than you. What you're doing is training your observational skills. A good benchmark is if you can name every move a pro does (not out loud, that'd be a tounge twister) without pausing to think about it and with near absolute certainty. Then start working on naming every move BOTH pros do. You can start or move on to things other than moves at any point. For example, more subtle stuff like drifting in the air to achieve good spacing is hard to notice, but if you can start noticing when pros do it, and start explaining to yourself why they did it, especially in relation to the capacity an actions the other pro could or does take in response, then you're well on your way to getting an analytical mind.

At some point, quick, near instant analysis will likely become second nature.
Constructing a fully-formed narrative, truly understanding what's going on in a match before you respond, is imperative to understanding your own failings, and thus how to improve. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2013/07/24/sports-gene-excerpt

I'd be slightly careful of the watching pros part.

It teaches you to be better but a lot of it also has to be done with a mental note of, what are they doing this? Because I see people sometimes sheep what a pro does but don't fully nail down other factors about it or end up losing out on things that they might do to get better themselves.

I'd still recommend it, but I would be careful with how they try to learn it.

 

[Jaedrik]

I'd be slightly careful of the watching pros part.

It teaches you to be better but a lot of it also has to be done with a mental note of, what are they doing this? Because I see people sometimes sheep what a pro does but don't fully nail down other factors about it or end up losing out on things that they might do to get better themselves.

I'd still recommend it, but I would be careful with how they try to learn it.

Of course. In fact, that's literally what I said. It is the "why" they're doing something that is important, not that they are doing it. The quickest way to form the proper basis for analysis is to realize what they're doing first. The why is more important, but the what necessarily comes before the why.

 

[A10theHero]

You're welcome. :D
But, hold a moment.
I hope your question is not presuming the only alternative to the Hobbesian state is the lack of civil order at all (what I'd define as anarchy). Believe it or not, the idea of the state, that is a sovereign and supreme lawmaking group of humans which may arbitrarily violate both its own 'positive laws' and 'natural law' in concern to its interaction with its own citizens, is a relatively modern invention. In fact, society without the state tends towards social order over anarchy, as history demonstrates. Additionally, 'over' and 'under' regulation implies the proper amount of regulation from the state is non-zero. ;)

There can be no utopia or heaven on this earth. People will do wrong, will do evil, no matter what civil or state order (or, in the case of the state, disorder). Evil, poison, is always reducible to the actions of individuals. So, is it metaphysically possible for more evil to exist in a world without the state? Yes. But, it is far, far less likely due to the general superiority of the law enforcement of a free society.

Actually, I like to play devil's advocate a lot. Asking people about the flipside of their opinions is fun. (Though you will eventually hear my opinion through my writing, if it hasn't already happened, lol.) So that's why I brought up anarchy when you mentioned the Hobbesian state.
Anyways, I need some clarification first. You said "society without the state tends towards social order over anarchy, as history demonstrates." Does "state" refer to Hobbesian states only or all forms of organization? Because I will say that human nature does have a need to organize (early hunter/gatherer tribes, villages, cities, city-states, etc.). If "state" refers to all forms of governments, then I have to point out that "society without the state" would still be considered anarchy simply because there is no governing body. And thus, anarchy would lead to social order because, as I said earlier, organization is important to our survival as a species.
Moving on, I want to give an example to illustrate a point. First, a question: What would the Smashboards Social Thread be like without mods or other higher ranking officials? ****posting everywhere, right? It'd be as bad as it was before the lock. Probably even worse since nobody would have any qualms. But even bigger than that, what would Smashboards as a whole be like? There'd be random threads everywhere and trolls lurking in every corner. It'd be a terrible place. We need moderators and staff members to help us stay organized and keep everything running smoothly. In a way, when we made our accounts on this site, we agreed that at least some degree of regulation was necessary in order to have an enjoyable experience. On a larger scale, human beings have organized because they know that the chaotic savagery within our DNA needs to be curbed. Controlling our impulses is a must because we are no longer creatures fighting for survival in the wilderness. And for that reason, I believe--and yes, this is my actual opinion--that regulation is necessary. I do think that it is a nonzero digit. Now for me personally, the difficult fun part is determining where do we draw the line between overregulation and underregulation.
I agree that there can be no utopia. There will always be evil in the world, just like how there are still trolls on Smashboards and people do still post threads in the wrong places. However, I do believe that regulation, when used wisely, is useful in reducing such problems. And as you can see in Smashboards, the regulators have done a pretty decent job, if you ask me.

 

[Still~Wolf]

I gave the Zelda social a visit and saw the weirdest gif i have ever seen.
quite a... strange sight.

 

[Jaedrik]

Actually, I like to play devil's advocate a lot. Asking people about the flipside of their opinions is fun. (Though you will eventually hear my opinion through my writing, if it hasn't already happened, lol.) So that's why I brought up anarchy when you mentioned the Hobbesian state.
Anyways, I need some clarification first. You said "society without the state tends towards social order over anarchy, as history demonstrates." Does "state" refer to Hobbesian states only or all forms of organization? Because I will say that human nature does have a need to organize (early hunter/gatherer tribes, villages, cities, city-states, etc.). If "state" refers to all forms of governments, then I have to point out that "society without the state" would still be considered anarchy simply because there is no governing body. And thus, anarchy would lead to social order because, as I said earlier, organization is important to our survival as a species.
Moving on, I want to give an example to illustrate a point. First, a question: What would the Smashboards Social Thread be like without mods or other higher ranking officials? ****posting everywhere, right? It'd be as bad as it was before the lock. Probably even worse since nobody would have any qualms. But even bigger than that, what would Smashboards as a whole be like? There'd be random threads everywhere and trolls lurking in every corner. It'd be a terrible place. We need moderators and staff members to help us stay organized and keep everything running smoothly. In a way, when we made our accounts on this site, we agreed that at least some degree of regulation was necessary in order to have an enjoyable experience. On a larger scale, human beings have organized because they know that the chaotic savagery within our DNA needs to be curbed. Controlling our impulses is a must because we are no longer creatures fighting for survival in the wilderness. And for that reason, I believe--and yes, this is my actual opinion--that regulation is necessary. I do think that it is a nonzero digit. Now for me personally, the difficult fun part is determining where do we draw the line between overregulation and underregulation.
I agree that there can be no utopia. There will always be evil in the world, just like how there are still trolls on Smashboards and people do still post threads in the wrong places. However, I do believe that regulation, when used wisely, is useful in reducing such problems. And as you can see in Smashboards, the regulators have done a pretty decent job, if you ask me.

A state is only the Hobbesian state. Any governance that is not a Hobbesian state is not a state. Any governance that is not a Hobbesian state is, in fact, civil society.

The statement you quoted is a little unclear on my part, too. It's moreso that society, being a social order in and of itself, tends towards the preservation of a civil society, thus itself. Building on that, insofar as a state takes more of civil society's functions onto itself, the more it destroys order, society, civility, and so on.

I suppose we should distinguish between the two. It's easy to get confused between what is a state and what isn't. A state is a complusory institution of governance. A monopoly of force, essentially. A civil society, on the other hand, is a completely voluntary institution which, by definition of it being voluntary, does not have a monopoly of force.

Smashboards is an example of civil society because it is utterly voluntary, as you yourself point out in demonstrating the process of registering as a contract between the member and the owner, no further needs to be said about its moderators, or hypothetical situations concerning it. In fact, you've illustrated my point by using Smashboards as an example. It's not a state, not by any stretch of the imagination, but it's certainly governance.

Now, I must sleep!

 

[mario123007]

First, you must assure yourself that, no matter what you do, there is no guarantee of becoming better. However, there are some advisable practical steps to start seeing what you're doing wrong.

Watch people play. Preferably pros, or people that are better than you. What you're doing is training your observational skills. A good benchmark is if you can name every move a pro does (not out loud, that'd be a tounge twister) without pausing to think about it and with near absolute certainty. Then start working on naming every move BOTH pros do. You can start or move on to things other than moves at any point. For example, more subtle stuff like drifting in the air to achieve good spacing is hard to notice, but if you can start noticing when pros do it, and start explaining to yourself why they did it, especially in relation to the capacity an actions the other pro could or does take in response, then you're well on your way to getting an analytical mind.

At some point, quick, near instant analysis will likely become second nature.
Constructing a fully-formed narrative, truly understanding what's going on in a match before you respond, is imperative to understanding your own failings, and thus how to improve. http://www.si.com/more-sports/2013/07/24/sports-gene-excerpt

I have watch Smash video when I don't play Smash. And since English is my second language. Naming moves can be a difiicult thing for me.

All in all, I think what you can only do is practice those techs by yourself, analyze what the pro does just shows how the pros does it properly, I still doubt if it will really help. Only time and my motive can tell the answer. Anywas, thanks for giving me those useful tips!

 

[Rysir]

Well... Taken straight from the Lucario Hip-Dude social:

So yeah, there isn't a reason.

...

So, TL;DR

@ Rysir You guys are doofs!

THE AURA is a mighty and powerful force!

 

[Still~Wolf]

THE AURA is a mighty and powerful force!

Y'all be OP Rysir.
I now fear you.

 

[Deleted member]

Y'all be OP Rysir.
I now fear you.

I don't, because I don't play Pokémon.

 

[Mythra]

Looks like I'll have to go all the way back to 3.0 to find the classic "Go to bed Rysir" image, because Im sure I had it saved but I can't find it.

Btw if you google "Go to bed Rysir" on images the first result is a jazzz avi

I don't, because I don't play Pokémon.

Well, Lucario is UU now so you don't need to be afraid anyway
Unless he Mega Evolves

 

[Still~Wolf]

Looks like I'll have to go all the way back to 3.0 to find the classic "Go to bed Rysir" image, because Im sure I had it saved but I can't find it.

Btw if you google "Go to bed Rysir" on images the first result is a jazzz avi

Jazz's avatar must look... different, to you and I, because I got this.

Spoiler

 

[Kikkipoptart12]

Lucario social raided The Rosalina thread? The Rosalina thread always seem to get raided. They should have put up a fight so the thread wouldn't get locked. It's too easy to raid them.

 

[Deleted member]

Looks like I'll have to go all the way back to 3.0 to find the classic "Go to bed Rysir" image, because Im sure I had it saved but I can't find it.

Btw if you google "Go to bed Rysir" on images the first result is a jazzz avi



Well, Lucario is UU now so you don't need to be afraid anyway
Unless he Mega Evolves

"UU" as in "underused", correct? Sorry, I don't play competitive Pokémon. *laughs*

 

[MainJPW]

Looks like I'll have to go all the way back to 3.0 to find the classic "Go to bed Rysir" image, because Im sure I had it saved but I can't find it.

Btw if you google "Go to bed Rysir" on images the first result is a jazzz avi

Is this it?

Spoiler

Looks like it.

 

[Mythra]

Jazz's avatar must look... different, to you and I, because I got this.

Spoiler

I got something completely different, actually all my results link to Smashboards, mostly stuff from 3.0
Wow Google

 

[Arcanir]

THE AURA is a mighty and powerful force!

Oh dear, Lucario is on those X-Eye Seeds again...

Seriously though, why did the Lucario thread decide to raid the Rosalina thread? I understand Steam promoted it, but what was the reasoning behind it?

 

[Rysir]

Oh dear, Lucario is on those X-Eye Seeds again...

Seriously though, why did the Lucario thread decide to raid the Rosalina thread? I understand Steam promoted it, but what was the reasoning behind it?

Just fun and sillyness is about it.

 

[Deleted member]

I got something completely different, actually all my results link to Smashboards, mostly stuff from 3.0
Wow Google

I guess it depends on the Google site language.

 

[MainJPW]

I like how it's cloudy out yet I can still see the stars and moon, it's pretty.

 

[mario123007]

Lucario social raided The Rosalina thread? The Rosalina thread always seem to get raided. They should have put up a fight so the thread wouldn't get locked. It's too easy to raid them.

It's easy to raid any thread if you got enough users to do it. Any thread could be the target.

 

[Substitution]

I still won't get why raiding is apparently a good thing. But to each their own I guess.

I got something completely different, actually all my results link to Smashboards, mostly stuff from 3.0
Wow Google

I got this:

I think Google is trying to tell me something.

 

[Soul.]

How cool is a person after getting Premium? Terribly cool?

 

[Deleted member]

The thread's pace is definitely slower than what it used to be. Maybe it is for the best.

If we were living on the past, we would be like, 3 pages ahead of something.

 

[Mythra]

I still won't get why raiding is apparently a good thing. But to each their own I guess.

Raiding is always a bad thing imo, even Twitch Plays Pokémon regulars did it (the boiling point was brigaiding a JWittz stream) to the point of almost getting their subreddit closed, ironically some other streams enjoyed the raid because they like having the TPP guys singing songs or just chatting in the comment section because they know they're funny and chill most of the time.

I got this:

I think Google is trying to tell me something.

Time to embrace you QUALITY side I guess

 

[Kikkipoptart12]

It's easy to raid any thread if you got enough users to do it. Any thread could be the target.

I know any thread can be raided, it's just the Rosalina thread is seems to always be the main target. Rosalina mains have a reputation of being too serious that makes them more likely for them to get raided. They don't takes raids well at all they just got their thread lock because of one doing that just going to make people flock there.

Out of all the raids the zelda thread has done the Rosalina one is the most talked about, The mods are stepping in but the have to stop taking them so seriously for people to leave them alone.

 

[Still~Wolf]

Well I guess this here thread is dead.

I've just been playing Fantasy Life, which is pretty alright over all. Has nice replayability and content. The combat is entertaining but gets old very fast due to its simplicity. I do like the variety of content though, and it's pretty fun online. It was a good buy in general.

Spoiler

graphics: 7/10 pretty much Dragon Quest 9 graphics. Not bad, but kinda outdated looking compared to other titles.
combat: 6/10 its fun, but its generally easy to get burnt out in general on it.
music: 8/10 its a pretty good soundtrack in general.
content: 19/10 im a bit biased here, but it seems packed full: a bunch of jobs, side quest, and many towns are in this game. it has many elements that allow me to keep returning. my only gripe is, again, combat can be a bit boring.

i have no idea why i typed this but i felt like discussing it. maybe i'll do this more often with games i purchase or own.

 

[FalKoopa]

How cool is a person after getting Premium? Terribly cool?

Personally, I don't think it makes you any different. It's just a more stylish coat of paint compared to the previous one.

And quite a colourful topic we have here... I'm fully against raiding. I haven't really see those Zelda raids as I don't moderate those sections, but I don't really see the fun of disrupting another place. It just gives you a bad name.

 

[mario123007]

I know any thread can be raided, it's just the Rosalina thread is seems to always be the main target. Rosalina mains have a reputation of being too serious that makes them more likely for them to get raided. They don't takes raids well at all they just got their thread lock because of one doing that just going to make people flock there.

Out of all the raids the zelda thread has done the Rosalina one is the most talked about, The mods are stepping in but the have to stop taking them so seriously for people to leave them alone.

I bet many Rosa thread users are wondering why are we the main target. And if I had remember correctly, Marth thread had a short raid too.

I don't consider Rosalina being too serious, the thread is perfect imo, neither too dead nor too active. The only part when it gets too serious is when they argue about Rosalina canons and stuff, that's when I stay silent, I will get in to an argument that I absolutely don't have a clue. I just like to share some social stuff there that's all.

And mods do have to lock the thread, are there any better ways of dealing with raid? I had once tried to engage with the raid users, but in the end I lost direction...

Rosalina thread has also been locked before when the infamous mariotehplumber trying deal with the Rosalina users, the conflict seems fine to me, but the mod still lock the thread temporary. And then MTP later express he had destroy the Rosalina users -_-

 

[Still~Wolf]

Personally, I don't think it makes you any different. It's just a more stylish coat of paint compared to the previous one.

And quite a colourful topic we have here... I'm fully against raiding. I haven't really see those Zelda raids as I don't moderate those sections, but I don't really see the fun of disrupting another place. It just gives you a bad name.

same, over all its just a pointless thing. neither party benefits from it at all. the raiders get a bad rep, and the actual thread, well, gets disrupted.

 

[mario123007]

Personally, I don't think it makes you any different. It's just a more stylish coat of paint compared to the previous one.

And quite a colourful topic we have here... I'm fully against raiding. I haven't really see those Zelda raids as I don't moderate those sections, but I don't really see the fun of disrupting another place. It just gives you a bad name.

Agreed, but for Rosa thread users, will still wonder why Rosalina will be a main target... I never have thought Rosa thread being too serious.

 

[Kikkipoptart12]

Agreed, but for Rosa thread users, will still wonder why Rosalina will be a main target... I never have thought Rosa thread being too serious.

I just guesting but I think it have something to do whit fujin getting banned. He seems to have a cult following here on smashboards. He got banned for his raids in the Rosalina thread ether that or some people must have not liked some Rosalina mains.

 

[---]

Depends on what a raid is. Is it just a group of users hanging out in a different thread or is it a group of users purposely hanging out in a different thread to spam/troll regulars?

And mods do have to lock the thread, are there any better ways of dealing with raid? I had once tried to engage with the raid users, but in the end I lost direction...

It depends on the situation. If it's just one user acting dumb then just infracting them and deleting their posts is usually enough.

If it's whole mess of users, sometimes it's best to freeze frame everything to help get a grasp of a real-time situation and get people to pay attention. Personally I'm in the camp that we don't use as nearly enough as we should.

Agreed, but for Rosa thread users, will still wonder why Rosalina will be a main target... I never have thought Rosa thread being too serious.

I think Rosalina mains are serious rather than the other way around.

 

[Still~Wolf]

Depends on what a raid is. Is it just a group of users hanging out in a different thread or is it a group of users purposely hanging out in a different thread to spam/troll regulars?



It depends on the situation. If it's just one user acting dumb then just infracting them and deleting their posts is usually enough.

If it's whole mess of users, sometimes it's best to freeze frame everything to help get a grasp of a real-time situation and get people to pay attention. Personally I'm in the camp that we don't use as nearly enough as we should.



I think Rosalina mains are serious rather than the other way around.

a raid is basically, by standards so far, invading another thread for spam and troll purposes, at least by the looks and what i have read so far.

 

[FalKoopa]

Agreed, but for Rosa thread users, will still wonder why Rosalina will be a main target... I never have thought Rosa thread being too serious.

I won't name anyone but there are a few users who become overly defensive if anyone posts negative about Rosa. The loudest users are the most noticeable.

 

[[Obnoxshush/Dasshizer]]

Spoiler

Agreed, but for Rosa thread users, will still wonder why Rosalina will be a main target... I never have thought Rosa thread being too serious.

Here's the answer,

 

[mario123007]

I just guesting but I think it have something to do whit fujin getting banned. He seems to have a cult following here on smashboards. He got banned for his raids in the Rosalina thread ether that or some people must have not liked some Rosalina mains.

Don't know that user...
I understand that not everyone like Rosalina mains, but I think the negative opinions should't be that offensive when expressing negative opinions.

Depends on what a raid is. Is it just a group of users hanging out in a different thread or is it a group of users purposely hanging out in a different thread to spam/troll regulars?



It depends on the situation. If it's just one user acting dumb then just infracting them and deleting their posts is usually enough.

If it's whole mess of users, sometimes it's best to freeze frame everything to help get a grasp of a real-time situation and get people to pay attention. Personally I'm in the camp that we don't use as nearly enough as we should.



I think Rosalina mains are serious rather than the other way around.

It's really a raid that was planned from certain character's thread.
I only just take in a bit, and then just stop posting and see how it goes.

I really big to differ... I understand there were users in the thread gets too serious even with her backstories and theories. But not every user is that serious when it comes to canons and theories.

I won't name anyone but there are a few users who become overly defensive if anyone posts negative about Rosa. The loudest users are the most noticeable.

Perhaps those negative posts are way too offensive and no reason. Even if it's not I think it is a normal thing that you defend a character you like, however, if things gets too intense then I really think it's overboard.

Spoiler

Here's the answer,

Ok... they put a female Charizard the video lol.

 

[Aurane]

I just saw the Rosalina social.

Job well done, @Steam and companions.

 

[Neo Zero]

I just saw the Rosalina social.

Job well done, @Steam and companions.

Incidentally my warning about raid talk extends to all socials. Raids aren't tolerated.

 

[TJ-Works]

I have been de-pinked.

Welp. Back to my Pearl theme.