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Mario
Auto
Radically
Injuring
Operation
Also Known As: MARIO
how to do? -> Grab -> D-throw -> Up-B
Comments: (with the plumbers, (and doctor) you can go for many things like up-tilt out of D-throw to mix it up, however, those aren't always as efficient
Compatible with:Mario, Luigi, Dr.Mario
Damage Values
Mario - 17%
Dr.Mario - 12% if done on ground (IDON) 19% if done in air (IDIA) (to do, Grab -> D-throw -> Instant jump -> Up-B sweetspot)
Luigi - 7%
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Ground Momentum N-B - is actually pretty easy to do. while running, tap the B button, this however, can be lead to something else that's harder.
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Usages: this can be used to approach in an unexpected way and is good for characters like Dr.Mario who'sClone Balls Pills would just bounce right over somebody's head while airborne.
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Reversed Ground Momentum N-B - This one, along with the first, is possible to do in both Brawl for sure and Melee (if i'm correct), it wasn't ever used back then but it might have some uses now in smash 4.
How to do? Run the press B then instantly tap the circle pad in the opposite direction of where you are going.
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Usages: this is similar to the first one listed however you get a noticeably higher amount of forward momentum while doing this and can be used to trick you foe into thinking you are running away just to be RGMNB'd (Reversed Ground Momentum N-B'd) right into a combo that could change the tide of the battle
(both of the two seem to work really well with the likes of Captain Olimar)
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Insta-Plucking - Press N-B as Olimar or Alph (honestly doesn't matter) then instantly use a command. what will happen is depending on what you decide to do, you can either pluck or continue to approach or instantly use a pikmin. (further elaborated below)
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Usages: With this, once the Pikmin is plucked, you can instantly react however you want, so you could run forward -> Pikmin Pluck -> roll back about as fast as usual and have a Pikmin to boot while this is occurring.
This is good to trick people into thinking they can attack a pikminless olimar, then striking your foe when least expected. If done correctly with a pikmin move, what should happen is the pikmin gets plucked, and while it's still in the air, you can attack with it (almost like a pseudo counter).
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Pikmin Toting - How to do? during Olimar's up-b, after about 75 frames, you will be allowed to use a non special aerial attack... that's it... but let me elaborate on how good this really is below.
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Usages: Have you ever played as Olimar then eventually get knocked off stage and try to recover? well you know what you enemy does then. Your recovery is predictable and you have to sacrifice your offense just to survive. you're done, right? NO. What i'd recommend is keeping at least 1 Pikmin with you then using up b, their Lucina or Mac or whoever they might be will try to smash you, so once you are nearby, whack them with one of your attack and suddenly the match could be yours. This is excellent for mindgames.
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there are two drawbacks however
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1. If you decide to attack while flying your Winged Pikmin will fly away, preventing you from continuing you recovery.
2.Once you attack while recovering, you will still become helpless once the attack is complete.
Pair that up with the first one and it becomes very situational
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New! (As of 10/14/14) - TNT Fling - Not the most... Advanced, but is still new nonetheless. How to Do?
With Duck Hunt Dog, Use N-B then immediately walk about 1 small step then use side tilt or down tilt. Usually competitive players tend to Use N-B then use Down-B to launch it in a similar degree. but this one doesn't have nearly as much startup lag, actually fires the TNT at a faster speed, and is more useful for horizontal approaches.
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Usages: This is good for, once again, tricking up or even rushing down your opponents. and as said from above - "Usually competitive players tend to Use N-B then use Down-B to launch it in a similar degree. but this one doesn't have nearly as much startup lag, actually fires the TNT at a faster speed, and is more useful for horizontal approaches." This is also effective because simply mashing the b-button isn't very effective as it is not only extremely slow, but it has almost no horizontal growth yet an okay vertical growth, in addition to those two, you can only press b once this is out 9 times until the TNT automatically explodes. so with side-tilt, down-tilt, and down-b, this gives you many more options and better ones at that, and you can still press b 8 more times if i'm right to milk in extra distance and coverage.
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Bonus (Personal Tier List)
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This is a personal and temporary tier list for Smash 4 based upon reviews from myself, hundreds of competitive players, and tournament experiences. please remember that this is my personal collection of data and some of it not even i agree with but i want to be fair. Take it as you will and if you have any issues with it, shout it out in the comments. (but please don't troll) Thank You. (this is my first one (tier list) i ever attempted so sorry if the letters are incorrectly placed
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A+
1.Duck Hunt Dog
2.Yoshi
3.Villager
4.Little Mac
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A
5.Sheik
6.Mr.Game&Watch
7.Kirby
8.Mario
9.Link
10.Zelda
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A-
11.Zero Suit Samus
12.Samus
13.Greninja
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B+
14.Rob
15.Dr.Mario
16.Rosalina and Luma
17.Shulk
18.Pit
19.Mii Fighter
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B
20.Lucario
21.Ness
22.Bowser
23.Lucina
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B-
24.Ike
25.Peach
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C
26.Olimar
27.Wario
28.Bowser Jr.
29.Toon Link
30. Robin
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C-
31.Ganondorf
32.Fox
33.Captain Falcon
34.Charizard
35.Marth
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D
36.Wii-Fit Trainer
37.Pikachu
38.Jigglypuff
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D-
39.Luigi
40.Diddy Kong
41.Donkey Kong
42.King Dedede
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E
43.Sonic
44.Dark Pit
45.Metaknight
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F
46.Pac-Man
47.Mega Man
48.Palutena
49.Falco
50.Mii Gunner
51.Mii Swordsman
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Again let me know what you think! and i will update this thread and technique list often and if you have anything to contribute, put it in the comments, thank you!
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Mario
Auto
Radically
Injuring
Operation
Also Known As: MARIO
how to do? -> Grab -> D-throw -> Up-B
Comments: (with the plumbers, (and doctor) you can go for many things like up-tilt out of D-throw to mix it up, however, those aren't always as efficient
Compatible with:Mario, Luigi, Dr.Mario
Damage Values
Mario - 17%
Dr.Mario - 12% if done on ground (IDON) 19% if done in air (IDIA) (to do, Grab -> D-throw -> Instant jump -> Up-B sweetspot)
Luigi - 7%
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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Advanced Techniques
-------------------------------------------------------------
Ground Momentum N-B - is actually pretty easy to do. while running, tap the B button, this however, can be lead to something else that's harder.
--
Usages: this can be used to approach in an unexpected way and is good for characters like Dr.Mario who's
---
Reversed Ground Momentum N-B - This one, along with the first, is possible to do in both Brawl for sure and Melee (if i'm correct), it wasn't ever used back then but it might have some uses now in smash 4.
How to do? Run the press B then instantly tap the circle pad in the opposite direction of where you are going.
--
Usages: this is similar to the first one listed however you get a noticeably higher amount of forward momentum while doing this and can be used to trick you foe into thinking you are running away just to be RGMNB'd (Reversed Ground Momentum N-B'd) right into a combo that could change the tide of the battle
(both of the two seem to work really well with the likes of Captain Olimar)
---
Insta-Plucking - Press N-B as Olimar or Alph (honestly doesn't matter) then instantly use a command. what will happen is depending on what you decide to do, you can either pluck or continue to approach or instantly use a pikmin. (further elaborated below)
--
Usages: With this, once the Pikmin is plucked, you can instantly react however you want, so you could run forward -> Pikmin Pluck -> roll back about as fast as usual and have a Pikmin to boot while this is occurring.
This is good to trick people into thinking they can attack a pikminless olimar, then striking your foe when least expected. If done correctly with a pikmin move, what should happen is the pikmin gets plucked, and while it's still in the air, you can attack with it (almost like a pseudo counter).
---
Pikmin Toting - How to do? during Olimar's up-b, after about 75 frames, you will be allowed to use a non special aerial attack... that's it... but let me elaborate on how good this really is below.
--
Usages: Have you ever played as Olimar then eventually get knocked off stage and try to recover? well you know what you enemy does then. Your recovery is predictable and you have to sacrifice your offense just to survive. you're done, right? NO. What i'd recommend is keeping at least 1 Pikmin with you then using up b, their Lucina or Mac or whoever they might be will try to smash you, so once you are nearby, whack them with one of your attack and suddenly the match could be yours. This is excellent for mindgames.
--
there are two drawbacks however
--
1. If you decide to attack while flying your Winged Pikmin will fly away, preventing you from continuing you recovery.
2.Once you attack while recovering, you will still become helpless once the attack is complete.
Pair that up with the first one and it becomes very situational
---
New! (As of 10/14/14) - TNT Fling - Not the most... Advanced, but is still new nonetheless. How to Do?
With Duck Hunt Dog, Use N-B then immediately walk about 1 small step then use side tilt or down tilt. Usually competitive players tend to Use N-B then use Down-B to launch it in a similar degree. but this one doesn't have nearly as much startup lag, actually fires the TNT at a faster speed, and is more useful for horizontal approaches.
--
Usages: This is good for, once again, tricking up or even rushing down your opponents. and as said from above - "Usually competitive players tend to Use N-B then use Down-B to launch it in a similar degree. but this one doesn't have nearly as much startup lag, actually fires the TNT at a faster speed, and is more useful for horizontal approaches." This is also effective because simply mashing the b-button isn't very effective as it is not only extremely slow, but it has almost no horizontal growth yet an okay vertical growth, in addition to those two, you can only press b once this is out 9 times until the TNT automatically explodes. so with side-tilt, down-tilt, and down-b, this gives you many more options and better ones at that, and you can still press b 8 more times if i'm right to milk in extra distance and coverage.
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Bonus (Personal Tier List)
------------------------------------------------
This is a personal and temporary tier list for Smash 4 based upon reviews from myself, hundreds of competitive players, and tournament experiences. please remember that this is my personal collection of data and some of it not even i agree with but i want to be fair. Take it as you will and if you have any issues with it, shout it out in the comments. (but please don't troll) Thank You. (this is my first one (tier list) i ever attempted so sorry if the letters are incorrectly placed
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A+
1.Duck Hunt Dog
2.Yoshi
3.Villager
4.Little Mac
--
A
5.Sheik
6.Mr.Game&Watch
7.Kirby
8.Mario
9.Link
10.Zelda
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A-
11.Zero Suit Samus
12.Samus
13.Greninja
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B+
14.Rob
15.Dr.Mario
16.Rosalina and Luma
17.Shulk
18.Pit
19.Mii Fighter
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B
20.Lucario
21.Ness
22.Bowser
23.Lucina
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B-
24.Ike
25.Peach
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C
26.Olimar
27.Wario
28.Bowser Jr.
29.Toon Link
30. Robin
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C-
31.Ganondorf
32.Fox
33.Captain Falcon
34.Charizard
35.Marth
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D
36.Wii-Fit Trainer
37.Pikachu
38.Jigglypuff
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D-
39.Luigi
40.Diddy Kong
41.Donkey Kong
42.King Dedede
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E
43.Sonic
44.Dark Pit
45.Metaknight
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F
46.Pac-Man
47.Mega Man
48.Palutena
49.Falco
50.Mii Gunner
51.Mii Swordsman
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Again let me know what you think! and i will update this thread and technique list often and if you have anything to contribute, put it in the comments, thank you!
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