Shining out of your shield: The Falco Shieldgrab

[FalseFalco]

I think every Falco should start shield cancelling with shines more than they do already.

For a Falco, I shield much much more than I should. I find Falco has little to no turnaround game in a match; once he's put on the defense he stays on the defense. Usually the only remedy for being put on the defense is a well timed shield grab or a battle to get some spacing. Falco has a terrible shield grab, as well, lasering for spacing is predictable when used too much. Crouching is a viable way out of being put on the run, but only works to a certain damage.

Shining out of the shield is an amazing option. Falco's best launcher is not only one of the fastest moves in the game, but is the fastest possible attack out of his shield.

 

[Eggm]

I use this in falco dittos, but not so much in other matchups, i'm working on it tho.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

a pretty good technique already known in Europe since the beginning of 2006.

Use it wisely though and watch out for the lack of range you're going to be dealing with (shine has got short range after all..)

 

[FalseFalco]

Oh it's nothing new, There's no such thing as new Falco tricks anymore .

However, it is unbelievably effective when you think about it and is an amazing turnaround move. It's also unique to Falco, as Fox's is relatively useless in regards to following up.

 

[xelad1]

a pretty good technique already known in Europe since the beginning of 2006.

Use it wisely though and watch out for the lack of range you're going to be dealing with (shine has got short range after all..)

this comment made me lol. I use it once in a while though I wouldn't recommend it against a skilled fox player since they can shine you much faster than you can shine out of shield against them. Its decent for follow up (especially good if you manage to get the full JC and not leave the ground), but I pretty much use it exclusively as a "get off me" option. Dair out of shield works well at times too.... though I don't think this is anything new to anyone?

 

[Driz]

To do this would it be the same as if you were doing a doubleshine or is the timing a little different because I'm having some trouble with this but I also ust started working on it and that could be my main problem!

 

[SCOTU]

the timing is the same as a double shine, just watch out for the shield lag. I use this technique more w/ fox against falco, but it's been used against my fox to strong effects. Breaks pillars too.

 

[Miharu]

I use this quite often. I actually prefer not to do a JC shine, but instead just do shine to instant bair. At lower percentages, you can do shine to dair, and continue comboing from there.

Not too useful against Marth, but works well against virtually everyone else.

 

[K.C. Cloud]

Not too useful against Marth, but works well against virtually everyone else.

I can vouch for that one. O_o

 

[soaz]

how do i shine out of shield?

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

this comment made me lol. I use it once in a while though I wouldn't recommend it against a skilled fox player since they can shine you much faster than you can shine out of shield against them. Its decent for follow up (especially good if you manage to get the full JC and not leave the ground), but I pretty much use it exclusively as a "get off me" option. Dair out of shield works well at times too.... though I don't think this is anything new to anyone?

obviously it's the best option if an opponent approachs your shield without spacing properly as among shield grab, shield smashing and shield shining, shield shining is the best combo set up. Not to mention that if done properly, shield shine is fast enough to interrupt pillars (Doraki from France tested this using AR). However do not expect it to work against Sheik's aerials or so.

 

[Miharu]

obviously it's the best option if an opponent approachs your shield without spacing properly as among shield grab, shield smashing and shield shining, shield shining is the best combo set up. Not to mention that if done properly, shield shine is fast enough to interrupt pillars (Doraki from France tested this using AR). However do not expect it to work against Sheik's aerials or so.

I think he was lolling at the part where you said that it's been known in Europe in 2006. What makes you think the rest of the world didn't lol

A lot of Falcos have been using this quite often already (namely Shiz, he spams that **** all the time), it just hasn't really been heavily discussed. It's pretty much used in the same situations that'd you usmash out of shield as Fox, except the the shine has less range and comes out a bit faster. Do it when someone dash attacks (or uses another laggy move) on your shield.

 

[Aldwyn McCloud]

I wrote that as I've never seen anybody using it before falling 2006 while European players had found it on their own way.

 

[Doraki]

A lot of Falcos have been using this quite often already (namely Shiz, he spams that **** all the time)

Hah I remember spaming it to stop Shiz's pillaring when we played at fc6.

 

[Repryx]

If your fast enough, try the sheild- shine- up-smash at a lower percentage (mainly on heavy characters)

 

[SCOTU]

i think someone asked how to shine out of shield...:
shield, jump, on the right frame, shine
when done correctly, you will shine w/o leaving the ground.
this is called a jc shine.

@repryx, that sounds like a fun idea, would kick *** if it worked for fox on shinefallers... its like ha your pillaring me and i'm like fu n00b with a shinesmash.
ok, i'm done.

 

[Lightshade]

I think every Falco should start shield cancelling with shines more than they do already.

Yes, I've noticed that a well. It's quite strange.

Shining out of the shield is an amazing option. Falco's best launcher is not only one of the fastest moves in the game, but is the fastest possible attack out of his shield.

I've never thought of that, brilliant idea, really. This technique can really help someone in a huge ditch.

 

[Jem.]

I usually up throw out of shield I think so I can start a combo, but I will try this. It's true, Falco on the defensive isn't good.

 

[DewDaDash]

Lol HydroKirby, I do spam that.

And yeah, I remember Doraki, lol. Dang we need to play again, I've gotten much better since FC6.


Edit: Whoops, this is Shiz posting on a friends name. Didn't know he was still logged on.


My bad Dew .

 

[soaz]

i think someone asked how to shine out of shield...:
shield, jump, on the right frame, shine
when done correctly, you will shine w/o leaving the ground.
this is called a jc shine.

@repryx, that sounds like a fun idea, would kick *** if it worked for fox on shinefallers... its like ha your pillaring me and i'm like fu n00b with a shinesmash.
ok, i'm done.

ok ty very much

 

[Baha]

why didn't I know this technique? doesnt sound hard to do after you mastered the double-shine. I will use it on people next time i play and wtfpwn them =D

 

[Mx7f]

Out of curiosity, is it possible to do a shieldcancelled shine that is very slightly off the ground to jump cancel and immediate d-air on a decent opponent? Cause if so that'd be an amazing way to gimp someone when they attack your shield near the edge. And even if that doesnt work, couldn't you just do an instant b-air out of the shieldcancelled shine to kill someone with a decent amount of damage?

 

[ss118]

Falco on the defensive isn't good.

How we used to think so differently before a certain 14-year-old japanese prodigy came to the USA.

But on topic, most characters don't pressure you as much as another Falco would, but its true. Once your on the defensive, your stuck there till you gain the momentum, such as getting the ledge and DLHLing with invincibility frames.

And yes, it's possible to do. I perfer to do that over JC shine, since your DJ is faster than your normal one.

 

[Miharu]

Out of curiosity, is it possible to do a shieldcancelled shine that is very slightly off the ground to jump cancel and immediate d-air on a decent opponent? Cause if so that'd be an amazing way to gimp someone when they attack your shield near the edge. And even if that doesnt work, couldn't you just do an instant b-air out of the shieldcancelled shine to kill someone with a decent amount of damage?

Yes, Falco players actually shine bair out of shield quite commonly now.

 

[FalseFalco]

How we used to think so differently before a certain 14-year-old japanese prodigy came to the USA.

But on topic, most characters don't pressure you as much as another Falco would, but its true. Once your on the defensive, your stuck there till you gain the momentum, such as getting the ledge and DLHLing with invincibility frames.

And yes, it's possible to do. I perfer to do that over JC shine, since your DJ is faster than your normal one.

You know Ken went to Japan not vice versa right?