Shieldbreaker or smash

[VaKe]

My question is simple:

When should I use shieldbreaker and when smash?

Im very new to ssbb and hope this is no "noob" question.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

You will come to know that the Marth boards are very nice people, so I won't flame you. I'd say smash to punish smaller mistakes, and shieldbreaker to punish large mistakes, such as when someone uses their up b and is vulnerable and can't dodge, if you hit them with SB in the air it's great.

 

[DarkRunner00]

My question is simple:

When should I use shieldbreaker and when smash?

Im very new to ssbb and hope this is no "noob" question.

first you'll have to learn your opponent. basically about their shield habits.
I've used shieldbreaker and Fmash when people are dashing towards me...

with the caveat that you miss and either attack leaves your incredible punishable

If you play with people who roll and side step frequently (more than run shield, shield cancel or pull out their shield) preferably, Fsmash

more competitive players function with shield a little too much... i mean to say they use all of the methods to prevent damage.

People who try to shield->grab or dash -> shield -> grab or just dash -> grab, use your spacing and shield break them...

Also, its a situational recovery move... there's proper timing... and its actually to situational to use it as a recovery... (Charged)

DON'T even use uncharged off stage if your opponents are 'gods of offstage' Meta, Falco, etc. (you're better of fairing towards the stage)

For smashes...

Fsmash -> when you get opponents to 60-80% aim for a tip--DO NOT SPAM THIS (even then)
Fsmash when you KNOW it'll contact... untipped Fsmash is garbage, but don't miss the opportunity to hit them with 15%

Dsmash -> if your facing them it comes out fast, away... they can cancel it with a grab or a punishing blow. There was a phase when I replaced Fsmash with Dsmash, wasn't very viable.
I replaced most of my Fsmashes now to Dtilts.

Usmash -> Gliders and Illusions... mind games.. very few people will say to use it as a edge guard... I still believe if you want to spike someone Dair... Usmash is not reliable for such tactics...

 

[ContageMK]

If you and your opponent are both on the ground go for f-smash, it strikes alot quicker than SB. I don't use SB as an attack, but more of a recovery, if you get knocked off the stage and are sent way up in the air, use your second jump to face the right way or f-B then fully charge up SB and go flying over your enemy, since they are most likely guarding the edge.

For some edgeguarding advice, I've found that when you knock an enemy off the stage and they try coming back, if they are even with SB's hitbox and you can tip it, go for that, since SB has slightly better range than a smash attack. If the enemy is coming from below and is trying to grab the edge of the stage, use f-smash right before they can grab onto the stage.

 

[Pierce7d]

If you're new to SSBB, then don't use SB at all, unless your opponent is drastically open, (IE: A stage hazard broke their shield). It's almost an advance technique, and should be incorporated into techs which will weaken and break your opponent's shield at higher level play. Master the basics before getting into it.

 

[DarkRunner00]

If you and your opponent are both on the ground go for f-smash, it strikes alot quicker than SB. I don't use SB as an attack, but more of a recovery, if you get knocked off the stage and are sent way up in the air, use your second jump to face the right way or f-B then fully charge up SB and go flying over your enemy, since they are most likely guarding the edge.

For some edgeguarding advice, I've found that when you knock an enemy off the stage and they try coming back, if they are even with SB's hitbox and you can tip it, go for that, since SB has slightly better range than a smash attack. If the enemy is coming from below and is trying to grab the edge of the stage, use f-smash right before they can grab onto the stage.

I disagree... if you're high in the air they can clearly see you and most likely chase after you... and charged SB leaves you vulnerable in are and then slight lag on ground... you probably woulnd't fly over them... they can see you...

If you're new to SSBB, then don't use SB at all, unless your opponent is drastically open, (IE: A stage hazard broke their shield). It's almost an advance technique, and should be incorporated into techs which will weaken and break your opponent's shield at higher level play. Master the basics before getting into it.

I guess... its sorta advance to use... but its rather than a mindgame move... i wouldn't understand what adcance things you could really... do.. other than run reverse SB to them or follow up with SB after a combo that would make them believe shielding is better...

what do competitve players use SB for?

 

[VietGeek]

what do competitve players use SB for?

Glidetoss secks.

Okay, okay, it's a pressure tool. Knowing when to use it is key though. I've seen those who don't know how to use it but abuse it out because they read it's good and get themselves ***** by whoring it out the wrong way.

 

[DarkRunner00]

haha, ur right. i hope i wasn't promoting to spam it...

i meant that i guess... in different wirds... too many-- much more words

 

[Pierce7d]

I use SB to break your shield, or K.O. lol. But knowing how, where and when to use it means reading your opponent very well, and spacing amazingly.

 

[Lex Crunch]

It could be because my opposition isn't fantastic, but I use SB to put my enemy in a compromising position while they are trying to recover. I jump off the edge, getting pretty far horizontally, and start charging the SB at the peak. Sometimes it will hit them and kill them, but, of course, at higher damages, you're better off doing the forward air.

 

[Pierce7d]

it Could Be Because My Opposition Isn't Fantastic, But I Use Sb To Put My Enemy In A Compromising Position While They Are Trying To Recover. I Jump Off The Edge, Getting Pretty Far Horizontally, And Start Charging The Sb At The Peak. Sometimes It Will Hit Them And Kill Them, But, Of Course, At Higher Damages, You're Better Off Doing The Forward Air.

Shield Breaker Should Never Be Used As An Edgeguard!

 

[ContageMK]

Shield Breaker Should Never Be Used As An Edgeguard!

Depends on the altitude of the opponent, its range is better than f-smash, so if they are even with a SB, they aren't going to grab the edge as easy. For the most part f-smash is the better choice since SB only hits directly infront of you opposed to at least a good 100 degree hitbox.

 

[Pierce7d]

Depends on the altitude of the opponent, its range is better than f-smash, so if they are even with a SB, they aren't going to grab the edge as easy. For the most part f-smash is the better choice since SB only hits directly infront of you opposed to at least a good 100 degree hitbox.

I do not refute my statement. However, I will agree that you can use SB to land a K.O. in midair if you have good spacing, and tipper. It's gutsy, but works. BUT! This is best done on stage, not as an edgeguard. If you're chasing your opponent off stage, any of your regular A aerials are better than your specials, unless you're trying to be flashy.

Fsmash works if spaced properly, but patience and Fairs works better.

 

[Nibbity]

I sort of think the character also changes the aspects of when to use shield breaker or smash.

DDD would be a candidate for a SB because like EL normally says, he's a big guy and his shield proves to be a big target.

For people like Falco though, i'd rather pull off a D smash because it's chances of hitting are a lot better and is faster than a lot of Falco's other smashes.

Then again, that's obviously not the bottom line.

For the edgeguarding thing...I personally think that would only work on wifi, or maybe if you try forcing them to an airdodge, and make them hit the SB....but yeah, a fair is easier and more accurate.

 

[Avsfreak18]

My question is simple:

When should I use shieldbreaker and when smash?

Im very new to ssbb and hope this is no "noob" question.

lol noobs dont ask questions

it depends on the battle, if you have an opponent who shields alot, shield breaker is the way to go, if your opponent rarley uses his shield then go with fsmash... if they are balanced then you need to find what is gonna work best