Sheik Upthrow Upair 50-50 Percentages and Guide

[smashPony]

HERE'S THE OFFICIAL UPTHROW UPAIR LIST.


No rage - from the center of FD - DI away - mashing jump - fresh upthrow - fresh upair.


Percentages starting from when upthrow up air starts killing until when it stops being a 50/50.


Bayonetta: 134 - 159%- use instant double jump.

Bowser Jr: 130 - 219% - use delayed double jump.

Captain Falcon: 141 - 251% use delayed double jump.

Cloud : 133 - 206% - use instant double jump.

Cloud - Limit: 140 - 247% - use delayed double jump.

Corrin: 138 - 148% - use instant double jump.

DDD: 156 - 303% - use very delayed double jump. double jump at the peak of your full hop from around 260 - 303%.

Donkey Kong: 144 - 232% - from 144% to about 185% double jump just below the peak of your full hop. then use instant double jump.

Ike: 144 - 212% - use instant double jump.

Little Mac: 123 - 212% - use very delayed double jump until around 180% to eat their double jump, then start using instant/slightly delayed double jump.

Lucario: 140 - 204% - use instant double jump until about 175%, then use delayed double jump afterwards.

Mega Man: 141 - 169% - use instant double jump. the double jump timing for megaman is fast and really strict.

Mewtwo: 100 - 178% - use a really delayed double jump until 170%, then use your double jump a bit earlier until 178.

Roy: 135 - 182% - use instant double jump. only works on no DI and DI in.

Shulk - Jump: 139 - 238%. use instant double jump.

Shulk - Shield: 212 - 362% use slightly delayed double jump until about 250%, then use instant double jump until 362%.


Here's the percentages in the form of a google doc.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Vx9wKXhcVPAFh7a_T5ijQ3LgHCbyR6wTwXLSaWXOhM/edit?usp=sharing

 

[smashPony]

where is the tourny now? where is the ssb4 in college park?

youre posting in the wrong thread.

 

[Guimartgon]

Could you explain how different instant vs delayed DJ are? Also why do you is there a need to delay your DJ in order to catch the jump option?

 

[ArikadoSD]

good work pony. did uair connect on all those characters mashing jump ? I find that slightly hard to believe considering the amount of times I go for uthrow and it never connects

also yeah what's the deal with instant and delayed double jumps?

 

[smashPony]

good work pony. did uair connect on all those characters mashing jump ? I find that slightly hard to believe considering the amount of times I go for uthrow and it never connects

also yeah what's the deal with instant and delayed double jumps?

yeah i had a turbo controller mashing jump ~once per frame. also instant double jump will leave your jump indication ring basically on the ground, delayed would be timing your double jump slightly later. i believe Simi is working on making gifs to visualize the different timings.

 

[Envoy_]

Was this done using survival DI?

 

[Glitchy_]

Why does this work?
Is it the proportion of weight and Fall speed? Is it how big they are?

I would say it's either heavies or Fastfallers if there wasn't Mewtwo...

 

[SmBootZ]

I thought it was determined that UpThrow > UpAir was not a true 50/50. Is this the full list of characters it works on? Also, has this been tested with DI?
Sorry for all the questions, im just a little skeptical about this actually working.

 

[smashPony]

Was this done using survival DI?

yes they were DIing away before during and after the upair.

 

[smashPony]

I thought it was determined that UpThrow > UpAir was not a true 50/50. Is this the full list of characters it works on? Also, has this been tested with DI?
Sorry for all the questions, im just a little skeptical about this actually working.

the very first thing i wrote in this post is that it was tested with DI.

 

[smashPony]

good work pony. did uair connect on all those characters mashing jump ? I find that slightly hard to believe considering the amount of times I go for uthrow and it never connects

also yeah what's the deal with instant and delayed double jumps?

yes they were mashing jump. i wish you would all actually read the whole post so you wouldnt ask silly questions.

 

[Subtilizer]

The docs say that a dthrow 50/50 is a work in progress do we currently know of any characters where it works? Or is that just there as an idea for if its found?

 

[Envoy_]

The docs say that a dthrow 50/50 is a work in progress do we currently know of any characters where it works? Or is that just there as an idea for if its found?

I think the Sheik Discord had a list of characters it looked like it could work on or rather they were getting some success on.

 

[MERPIS]

Can't Mewtwo use that air dodge momentum thing to drift him away and out of uair's range?

 

[ArikadoSD]

The docs say that a dthrow 50/50 is a work in progress do we currently know of any characters where it works? Or is that just there as an idea for if its found?

edit: nvm lol misread ur post.