SH consistency

[All4G0dsGl0ry]

i'm a new smasher and am working on my fox. i'm wondering how consistent my short hop should be. do people who are really good with fox literally never miss a short hop? should i be shooting for 4/5? 9/10? 100/100? any help is appreciated.

So what's the most consistent way to practice? i've always believed that when learning something, practice it consistently correct so that you don't develop any bad habits. thanks.

 

[Mr.Jackpot]

You should always short hop exactly when you want to, just keep practicing your SHFFLs.

 

[All4G0dsGl0ry]

ok. and if you any of you guys remember, how long did it take before you had that down? i've been practicing SH for awhile now and am still not super consistent at it.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Shoot for 100/100, 99/100 is acceptable, but really, it feels horrible to full jump when you want to SH. It's not really possible to express in time how fast it'll go to learn SH consistently, it's more in tournament expierence. Once you can consistently SH when you want in tournament matches, then you're done.
That takes a while, depending on how often you play outside of tournaments against other people. Practicing it on your own works pretty well, just fighting CPU with short hops, but doing it against other players who can react well to it is the best practice.

 

[All4G0dsGl0ry]

well, i live in montana, and there is pretty much no other people who play. i'm trying to start a smash club at college this year to hopefully get more people interested. so at this point, i pretty much just have self practice and a little against computers (though try and play them how i would an actual person, which is pretty much impossible).

another thought and question. i grew up thinking that when i practice something, i should practice it without mistakes so that i don't learn bad habits. so when you first learned SH with fox, did you do it incredibly slowly until you could do it and increase speed? sometimes when i practice really slow, i don't even get the SH. i've been practicing by doing one of each arial in a row, as well as a SH laser, as fast as i can. i get through the whole sequence probably about half the time and have made it twice through a few different times. would this be an effective strategy? thanks for the advice guys

 

[mooki]

well, i live in montana, and there is pretty much no other people who play. i'm trying to start a smash club at college this year to hopefully get more people interested. so at this point, i pretty much just have self practice and a little against computers (though try and play them how i would an actual person, which is pretty much impossible).

another thought and question. i grew up thinking that when i practice something, i should practice it without mistakes so that i don't learn bad habits. so when you first learned SH with fox, did you do it incredibly slowly until you could do it and increase speed? sometimes when i practice really slow, i don't even get the SH. i've been practicing by doing one of each arial in a row, as well as a SH laser, as fast as i can. i get through the whole sequence probably about half the time and have made it twice through a few different times. would this be an effective strategy? thanks for the advice guys

I'd say that you should get comfortable with shorthopping before throwing in aerials into your practice. I think when I was learning to SH with fox, all I did was run around Final Destination shorthopping (while throwing in on purpose full hops) until I never made a mistake and then I kept going for a bit.
Sorry if this isn't the best advice. I learned how to shorthop awhile ago so it's hard for me to remember exactly what I did, though I can tell you that once you grind through the practice, it's the simplest thing ever. It's kind of amazing because I remember like 4 or so months ago, I was thinking about how hard it was to SH with fox and wondering how the hell I would be able to it consistently. Now I don't even think about it anymore, it just happens. 0 effort.

Also, on the topic of not learning bad habits, what button are you using to shorthop? Sliding your finger off X is the easiest, but I think that learning it with Y might be the best choice because it makes going to B sooooo much easier. It's really up to you, but I think that in the long run you'll be way happier that you learned it like that. (I feel like I should relearn to use Y) I kind of want to hear other's opinions on this.

 

[All4G0dsGl0ry]

i don't really have a problem with SHFFL-ing at all. it's mainly just consistently short-hopping. so i might just need to practice only short hops for awhile. the things that's annoying is that sometimes i attempt to push the button, my finger knows i have to get off it quick, so it won't even tap it sometimes. it's like a nervous hesitation thing. hopefully i'll get through that. and I use Y for all jumps as of right now.

so just for clarification on the question. i'm not asking why this is so hard to do. i'm wondering the most consistent way to practice. cause like i said, i'm used to practicing things consistently correct so that i don't develop bad habits.

 

[ArcNatural]

mooki,

I made the switch from X (marth main for 2 years) to Fox and using Y and I now exclusively use Y and I believe I'm better off for it by far. I really do think the only character that makes things exceptionallly easier for however is Fox, even Falco isn't too bad with X.

The main reason for me being with X for Fox, to do pillars as fast as possible I would need to hit the buttons as fast as I could, I couldn't really control the pace.

But with Y I can EASILY decide to early aerial, or delay aerial, or try to DI a certain way before tossing the aerial out, etc.

That being said there are plenty of pro players that only use X for Falco and Fox. But that's where I've found Y to be greatly beneficial to learn, simply for Fox pillaring or shdl.

 

[Nicco]

I'm not a Fox main, but I like to fool around with him from time to time.

Practice it until it becomes 2nd nature. Just keep practicing short hops, short hop with aerial, short hop to aerial to fast fall, and then finally the entire shffl.

Eventually you want to be able to do a shine in between each aerial. (Can be tricky as fk to learn)

Remember: Everything in this game can seem damn near impossible. But with patient practice it can become as easy as walking.

 

[JerkPhil]

I get that hesitant feeling too sometimes. It's mostly when I TRY to short hop. As I play I've figured it's better to try to do the following move instead.
As an example I don't practice short hops. I practice short hop nair fast fall l-cancel.
Instead of focusing on every bit, I focus on the move pattern. I find it easier that way.

 

[All4G0dsGl0ry]

thanks for the replies guys.

@Nicco - yeah i've been reading the guide on how to master fox. and i know that it's difficult, i've never had a problem pushing through grinding practice. but the point of the thread, like i restated in the OP, is looking for how to have consistent practice. any ideas on how to consistently practice SH?

@JerkPhil - that's what i've been thinking as i've been practicing. i've litterally practiced just short hopping for an hour to two hours a day for the last week and am still not very consistent at short hopping. i'm finding that i mainly have a hard time short hopping when i want to (for example, right next to an enemy, in the heat of the moment). however, i don't really have a problem just tapping the y button randomly and short hopping. this has kind of been the problem i'm trying to solve. I want to find the most consistent way to practice this, and i'm starting to think the full shffl may be the best.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Most consistent way is to play against other players and keep reminding yourself of short hops. Then you can SH under pressure.

 

[Alotsa]

Practice, practice , practice. Short hop inconsistency is a common problem for newer Fox's. Like others have said try and practice under pressure, even if you can short hop all day its very different when your under pressure.

I like your logic about practicing CORRECTLY this is very important! Short hoping is literally muscle memory so there's not many ways to practice it incorrectly, BUT there are many other things with fox that i believe you can learn inefficiently.

I was in your shoes when i picked up Fox, with no one to play with its very easy to learn bad habits and difficult to correct them that's what happened to me as a result though Ive learned a lot. Ive had to practice a lot by myself so PM me some time for some tips etc.. hopefully I can save you a lot misery lol.