Russia Marches on Georgia(State)--SOUND THE ALARMS!!!

[Johnthegalactic]

So, there seems to be a new conflict in the world, Russia has attacked Georgia, and it seems the US is backing Georgia.
Ironically, a couple months ago, I looked at some ghost recon game that portrayed Russia attacking Georgia in 2008...I thought it was silly, since it is 2008...but look at the news now!
Btw, I don't know much about what is going on in this...discuss!

 

[Moy]

Stupid me, I thought at first this was Georgia state.

This caught me off guard, I'm not gonna lie. President Bush has said himself that this was "unacceptable" and needed to stop.

 

[cheap_josh]

Yeah I never understood Russia's motives behind this. I don't think this is the best time for it either.

Stupid me, I thought at first this was Georgia state.

You wouldn't believe how many people thought Georgia state was under attack when news first came up.

 

[Ilex]

Russia is being extremely hypocritical. Sure, it's fine for them to deny independence to countries such as Chechnya and Tatarstan, but when it's someone else they try to play hero? Why is it okay for Russia to invade other nations to help give sub-entities independence when they won't even do it for their own?

 

[Dodongo]

Everyone who is blindly following the U.S. media propaganda against Russia is hopelessly foolish. Georgia invaded South Ossetia and killed around 2,000 people in one day. Russia kept their promise to protect South Ossetia's sovereignty and sent in troops to end the conflict. However, there is little understanding of this around the world because a biased media controls everything.

Check this out: A 12 year old girl starts telling the truth about what happened in Ossetia on Fox News and they suddenly cut to commercial.
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

 

[Autydragoon]

You wouldn't believe how many people thought Georgia state was under attack when news first came up.

I admit when I heard Russia attacked Georgia i thought the south was being invaded.

 

[Dodongo]

Where's the outrage about being mislead?

 

[GoldShadow]

Everyone who is blindly following the U.S. media propaganda against Russia is hopelessly foolish. Georgia invaded South Ossetia and killed around 2,000 people in one day. Russia kept their promise to protect South Ossetia's sovereignty and sent in troops to end the conflict. However, there is little understanding of this around the world because a biased media controls everything.

Check this out: A 12 year old girl starts telling the truth about what happened in Ossetia on Fox News and they suddenly cut to commercial.
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

Where's the outrage about being mislead?

To be honest, I have neither really followed nor researched the story. I will have to look into it further and if what you say is true, then I will surely be outraged.

 

[Crimson King]

The thing I don't get is that the US didn't declare war already on Russia. With Iraq, when we found "the weapons of mass destruction," and "the abombinations against humankind," we went to war and ended it. Now, Russia is curb-stomping Georgia, and the US hasn't done anything but wave a finger. I guess there is no oil in Georgia.

But, Dodongo is right. Georgia was warned to stay out of South Ossetia, and didn't, what did they expect?

 

[SuperRacoon]

The last thing the United States needs is another war on our hands.

The economy is in a recession, we have troops still in Iraq, World wide they either love us or hate us, and it's mostly hate in that part of the world.

If it seems like cowardice and hypocrisy that the US won't go to war with Russia, well to an extent it is, but furthermore, we have no business over there. Dodongo made it pretty clear that we don't know the whole truth and that the media is slanting what little truth they give heavily against Russia.

For which reason, I believe the US should stay out of it for once.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

Russia attacking an enemy is so Soviet Union guys...Russians had their citzens in Ossetia right, Georgia attacked, correct me if I am wrong, they have the right to defend their citizens with full force.

 

[Eor]

Russia and Georgia have been in conflict for a long time, just not militarily. Georiga has natural gas and pipelines that Russia needs, and Georgia and Russia have fought over them economically for a while.

A big thing I heard is that Georgia was promised Military aide by America, which is why they attacked South Ossetia. I think either that or they just really expected America to help them, as there is no way they wouldn't expect Russia to aide them. Though anyone who thinks Russia cares about South Ossetia is pretty silly, in my opinion. If they did htey would of attacked actual Georgia. That was nothing more then to show their strength and to get what they wanted.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Stupid me, I thought at first this was Georgia state.

this is actually what happened to me as well, silly huh..?

anyway I heard Bush's speech about backing Russia away for Georgia since Georgia took no holding back against Russia, but yea it's a dispute over natural gas and it's pipelines, if Bush indeed will decide to help Georgia then he better not drag the U.S into this, otherwise it won't only be Georgia's problem but U.S.A's as well which we don't need to be in other war which were already in one with Iraq thanks to Bush's thoughless decisions.

 

[thesage]

I must say that the US attacking Russia would be the dumbest thing that US would ever do. Considering we spent the entire cold war avoiding that. It would probably start something like World War 3 or something lol.

I would also like to say that any sources that are Russian should NOT be considered fact. The Russian government always enjoyed tinkering with the media (if you think it's bad here in the US, it's at least 10 times worse in Russia).

Short history of Ossetia:

All of Ossetia used to be part of Georgia. Then the USSR took over Georgia. When the USSR broke up Russia kept Northern Ossetia. During the time the USSR had control of Ossetia they forced a lot of the ethnic population to move out and moving a lot of Russians in (by giving job opportunities to Russians, refusing food to the ethnic population, stuff like that). When the USSR broke up they kept Northern Ossetia. Russia did something similar to this with Romania and Moldolva.

Shortly afterwards in 1992 the Ossetians wanted to be with united as a single country and petitioned Georgia for independence. Georgia offered a form of self autonomy instead. The conflict escalated and Russia intervened and sent peacekeepers there. A semi-independent government was established in South Ossetia, by the Russians. Later in 2006 (I think) the population of South Ossetia voted on whether they should be independent or stay with Georgia. The majority of them voted to become independent with a lot of people expressing interest to become part of Russia so they could reunite with North Ossetia again.

What happened now is that Georgia invaded South Ossetia in order to reclaim it or w/e (their president is really hotheaded). Russia, claiming it was their responsibility to protect the Russians that live there, invaded South Ossetia and then the rest of Georgia. Both sides did a lot of bad things (which is what happens in war) but IMO Russia did the worst. Even after Georgia called for a ceasefire, Russia continued to invade and occupied at least one major Georgian port.

Honestly it isn't really a big deal to me unless Russia takes over Georgia. An oil pipeline goes through Georgia from on of the former USSR islamic countries to Western Europe. I believe this pipeline is the only oil pipeline that supplies Western Europe with oil from that area. Russia would have a monopoly on oil. I also find it interesting that this happened around the same time as the Olympics, so the majority of the public is distracted right now...

The US must look very weak right now. Especially considering that Georgia is one of the countries that sent troops to Iraq to help the US. If the US can't support Georgia against Russia. What's stopping Russia from taking over Eastern Europe AGAIN (even though I think they still are in control...).

This probably seems really broken and up but I'm half asleep right now >_>;

 

[DMG]

Russia's initial response was pretty justified, however they certainly took it too far when they began to use the Georgian initial attack and used it as fuel for military propaganda and pushing for more military consequences. It would be one thing if the two sides had a conflict and came to an agreement quickly, but Russia has basically said that they won't stop until Georgian forces have backed down, and even then there is no guarantee that Russia will stand by that agreement if it were to take place.

I think that neither side should receive US help, I am pretty sure the surrounding/bordering countries and the combined International community can resolve this without the US stepping in and picking sides.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Yes, the US should definately stay out of this, if you go into this we'll get dragged into it too. It's things like these which makes America very unpopular to the rest of the world.

 

[sugarpoultry]

There shouldn't be any wars going on during the Olympics. It's quite sad. And there is nothing wrong with USA offering help. How would you like it if our country was attacked and nobody was willing to help us?

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Also wow, I just watched Dodongo's video. According to the information bit at the side, Fox News tried to get YouTube to take that video down.

 

[thesage]

So apparently there is also an information war going on b/t Russia and Georgia now. Russia hacked some georgian websites and Georgia blocked all websites that end in .ru for a while.

And I'm still surprised people don't realize that Georgia was bombing the place because they were starting a civil war lol. Other countries have offered help for Georgia and Russia.

Sugarpoultry: if the US offered help, that would start WW3. It would cause a cascade effect similar to WW1.

Also, Venezuela blames the US for this, while the Eastern European countries are scared ****less.

 

[OmegaXXII]

( And there is nothing wrong with USA offering help. How would you like it if our country was attacked and nobody was willing to help us?

well true, there's nothing wrong with helping an ally country, it's just that we rather not get tangled up into another war to can easily be avoided, therefore not stepping into others affair would be the best decision for this case.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

Check this out: A 12 year old girl starts telling the truth about what happened in Ossetia on Fox News and they suddenly cut to commercial.
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

This must only be your news, I was listening to the BBC News last night and they mentioned that the fighting started when Georgia marched into South Ossetia.

 

[thesage]

This must only be your news, I was listening to the BBC News last night and they mentioned that the fighting started when Georgia marched into South Ossetia.

Did nobody read my post >_>;

South Ossetia is a part of Georgia. It's been trying to rebel against Georgia so that it and North Ossetia can be an independent country or at least together. North Ossetia is in Russia. The region will probably just become part of Russia...

Russia and Georgia are also having an information war going on at the same time. For a while all sites ending in .ru were blocked in Georgia. Georgia has claimed that several of their government's websites were hacked by Russia. Poland has offered it's web resources to Georgia.

In other news, Venezuela blames the US for starting it. Eastern European countries are still scared ****less.

 

[Peeze]

Everyone who is blindly following the U.S. media propaganda against Russia is hopelessly foolish. Georgia invaded South Ossetia and killed around 2,000 people in one day. Russia kept their promise to protect South Ossetia's sovereignty and sent in troops to end the conflict. However, there is little understanding of this around the world because a biased media controls everything.

Check this out: A 12 year old girl starts telling the truth about what happened in Ossetia on Fox News and they suddenly cut to commercial.
http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=H8XI2Chc6uQ

Thank you for opening my eyes to the truth.
Not really outraged, America's been misleading people forever.

 

[GI Josh]

Yes, the US should definately stay out of this, if you go into this we'll get dragged into it too. It's things like these which makes America very unpopular to the rest of the world.

Everybody knows that the US is going to get involved in this, and nothing good will come out of it

 

[Sporkman]

So when can I start dressing up as a Tesla Trooper?

 

[thesage]

I don't understand why people are so mad about the media bias. They're biased against everything. If they really wanted to attack Russia and stuff like that they would say things about how there's an oil pipeline in Georgia and that Russia is trying to take control of the area's oil. As far as I've heard (I don't really watch Fox or CNN) it was mentioned briefly on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer show on PBS tonight while they were discussing stock prices. People shouldn't be watching the major news channels anyways. Find stuff out online (where you can have easy access to multiple viewpoints AND WIKIPEDIA), local news, and PBS. It's what works for me.

The US will not get involved in it. We lack the manpower plus we would be directly fighting Russia, which is what we've been trying to avoid for a very long time.

Are you guys going to keep ignoring me? At least argue with me or something...

 

[Sporkman]

I don't understand why people are so mad about the media bias. They're biased against everything. If they really wanted to attack Russia and stuff like that they would say things about how there's an oil pipeline in Georgia and that Russia is trying to take control of the area's oil. As far as I've heard (I don't really watch Fox or CNN) it was mentioned briefly on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer show on PBS tonight while they were discussing stock prices. People shouldn't be watching the major news channels anyways. Find stuff out online (where you can have easy access to multiple viewpoints AND WIKIPEDIA), local news, and PBS. It's what works for me.

The US will not get involved in it. We lack the manpower plus we would be directly fighting Russia, which is what we've been trying to avoid for a very long time.

Are you guys going to keep ignoring me? At least argue with me or something...

What bone do you want thrown? From my point of view there is little to argue with you about due to most of your posts being based on facts. Sure I could check to verify them but im far too lazy, I mean if you were lying you'd be on the wind-up and merely fire-stoking, which I wouldn't bothered with. If you want my view point I'd give you it, but it'd still be ignoring your posts. I think Georgia was wrong in it's actions. I think Russia was justified in retaliation. Russia and Georgia have had a strenous relationship, Saakashvili and Putin did not get on. I think the US will be all talk but correctly not get involved, currently far too exerted, same goes for pretty much everyone else, Russia is too powerful. Only one in my eyes that could potentially stand against them is China, and that would start WW3 (but they most certaintly won't get involved at all).

As for Venezuela, why? Because of Georgia's pro-western stance? Because of the US's missile defence system plans? Because of Georgia pushing to become part of Nato? I really don't care who Venezuela blames, and imagine the same goes for the majority of the people reading my views.

And yes, media is very biased.