Rmt!!! Ou team

[yummynbeefy]

My team ATM

Lead: crobat @ leftys
EV 248HP/252Speed/10SP.def W/jolly nature
moveset
-u-turn
-taunt
-whirlwind
-hypnosis/superfang (still switching around a bit cuz hypnosis is amazing against machamp leads even with lum berry)

Revenge killer: flygon @ scarf (mah favorite)
EV 252ATK/6DEF/252Speed W/jolly nature
moveset
-outrage
-u-turn
-thunder punch/fire punch (both have worked well)
-earthquake

Tank: Suicune @ leftys
EV 252DEF/240HP/18Speed W/bold nature
moveset
-calm mind
-surf
-ice beam
-rest

(tried crocune but this set has done better it seems)

Mixed Wall: Registeel @ leftys
EV 252HP/6DEF/252SP.def W/ Impish nature
moveset
-twave
-rocks
-seismic toss
-explosion

Special sweeper: gengar @ leftys
EV 6DEF/252SP.ATK/252Speed W/ timid nature IV 30Speed/30ATK/30SP.ATK (for HPfire)
moveset
-sub
-HP fire
-focus blast
-shadow ball

Physical sweeper: Metagross @ lum berry (still switch with leftys sometimes)
EV 80HP/252ATK/132Speed/44SP.DEF W/ Adamant nature
moveset
-Meteor mash
-EQ
-Zen headbutt (honestly, it just has served me all too well and ive tried ice and thunder punch and i really missed zen headbutt)
-agility

UPDATED TEAM rate/comment/suggest change

 

[rockem7]

Edit: Disregard this post.

 

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Crobat: Ditch the Black Sludge. Jirachi will Trick you its Scarf and then give the Black Sludge to Suicune. Do not want. Go with Leftovers.
Why the strange EVs? Hypnosis is a horrible, HORRIBLE move. Super Fang is a wonderful move.

Don't give Suicune Substitute. It doesn't have the power to OHKO many threats that might switch in. Either go with Offensive Calm Mind or the standard CroCune.

Registeel is okay, I guess.

Togekiss is a mediocre sweeper. Special sweepers in general are just bad because they can't take on Blissey. Togekiss is slow and has ****ty typing. A ScarfTar will eat Rotom-A, or you could try DDTar for a sweep. Sandstorm sucks for Suicune, but most of your Pokémon would resist it. Jolteon will be able to clear out some of AgiliGross's counters.

Metagross wants either Ice Punch or Thunderpunch. It depends on what gives your team more trouble, Vaporeon and Gyarados or Dragons.

 

[yummynbeefy]

Crobat: Ditch the Black Sludge. Jirachi will Trick you its Scarf and then give the Black Sludge to Suicune. Do not want. Go with Leftovers.
Why the strange EVs? Hypnosis is a horrible, HORRIBLE move. Super Fang is a wonderful move.

what other evs am i going to give it? hp being odd makes for a bit more bulk without taking extra damage from SR plus its only offensive move is u-turn its more of an antilead than anything else

and yeah i was thinking about swapping out hypnosis for super fang it was always thought about like "hypnosis and superfang both sound like awesome moves

Togekiss is a mediocre sweeper. Special sweepers in general are just bad because they can't take on Blissey. Togekiss is slow and has ****ty typing. A ScarfTar will eat Rotom-A, or you could try DDTar for a sweep. Sandstorm sucks for Suicune, but most of your Pokémon would resist it. Jolteon will be able to clear out some of AgiliGross's counters.

jolteon actually sounds mad legit for dealing with skarms/rotom/bulky waters even tho togekiss is one of my favorites and after a nasty plot boost can take on blissey just fine as long as it gets its flinches, ill test it out and see how it goes

the only "complaint" about these changes is that i feel like my team will be weaker to machamp now but again thats what testing is for :D

 

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I never said there was anything wrong with Crobat's EVs, I just didn't know why you used what you did.

Tons of teams are weak to Machamp, since Flying- and Psychic-type moves give terrible type coverage. I guess you could give Crobat Brave Bird (with max attack, 95.8% - 113% against LeadChamp). Most team just work around Machamp, sometimes with a sacrifice or just hitting it with one's strongest moves.

 

[The Real Gamer]

I'd swap your Togekiss for a Gengar.

Gengar @ Life Orb
Levitate / Timid
252 SpA / 252 Speed / 4 Def
~Pain Split
~Substitute
~Shadow Ball
~Focus Blast

Advantages over Togekiss:

-Doesn't get owned by SR on the switch in.
-You keep your Ground resistance, but you gain a Fighting immunity that this team could use.
-Gengar has good synergy w/ Steels. They cover Gengar's Psychic and Ghost weakness while Gengar comes in Ground and Fighting attacks.
-Won't get walled thanks to Pain Split.
-Faster
-Can scout thanks to Substitute.

 

[Wave⁂]

Gengar can't switch into Rotom-A, and Scarf versions outspeed.

But honestly, the main reason I don't like Gengar is because you need to use Focus Miss.

 

[yummynbeefy]

gengar sounds pretty legit too

your sets very interesting
i dunno again guess ill just be testin

and actually scarfed formes are the least of my worries

but the main reason i hesitate to switch is because i really like togekiss and my togekiss takes down most blisseys after a nasty plot and a few paraflinches

btw what is generally a better item for metagross? lum berry or leftys?

 

[yummynbeefy]

ok i just tried jolteon and gengar

both are very good pokemon

but i gotta go with gengar its been mad legit so far i feel good about my team

 

[The Real Gamer]

but i gotta go with gengar its been mad legit so far i feel good about my team

+ rep for TRG.

And if you ever need to sacrifice your Gengar to a ScarfTar, that's completely fine since you have a couple of Pokemon that could set up on a Pursuit or Crunch. Your AgiliGross and Suicune would be good for that.

 

[yummynbeefy]

ignore this post wrong thread

 

[yummynbeefy]

hey realgamer wanna shoddy sometime?

 

[The Real Gamer]

Next time just send me a message on my wall but yeah I will. I should be able to anytime this week.

 

[yummynbeefy]

well any other thoughts on my team? 1-10 rating?

 

[Wave⁂]

Updated team pl0x

 

[yummynbeefy]

updated team

 

[Wave⁂]

Machamp has a chance to 2HKO Crobat with Stone Edge and Bullet Punch. Ice Punch is admittedly much more common, but he still 2HKOs with that. If you miss a Hypnosis (64% of missing at least one of two), you lose.

I don't think I noticed it last time, but you have Fire Punch slashed in for Flygon. Why? Your team has Gyarados problems, and no Scizor problems.

How often do you use Rest on Suicune? Compare that to how often you wish you had HP Electric or HP Grass.

Sub Gengar is sex. You might want to fiddle with the EVs; it's inefficient, since you lose to non-HP Fire Gengar. You could lower your speed to just enough to outspeed +speed Infernape or Modest Starmie or something to give yourself more bulk.

Your team doesn't do too well against stall. Flygon hits like a girl and is walled by Hippowdon and Skarmory to an extent. Bronzong, too. Suicune gets phazed out whenever you try to do something. Registeel doesn't do much. Blissey laughs at Gengar. Metagross is walled so badly by Skarmory it's funny.

CroCune ***** your team, you have to resort to PP stalling with your own Suicune.

 

[The Real Gamer]

Machamp has a chance to 2HKO Crobat with Stone Edge and Bullet Punch. Ice Punch is admittedly much more common, but he still 2HKOs with that. If you miss a Hypnosis (64% of missing at least one of two), you lose.

You realize Hypnosis won't miss against Machamp right?

The only way Machamp would win in this situation is if it was carrying a Lum Berry and Crobat was frail enough to get 2HKOed by Stone Edge + Bullet Punch.

 

[Zankoku]

Using the standard Lum Berry attacking lead Machamp against a Crobat with the given EVs...

Machamp Ice Punch + Bullet Punch damage: 73.4% - 87.1%, 80.3% average (equivalent to 74% due to Leftovers)
Machamp Stone Edge + Bullet Punch damage: 92.7% - 109.7%, 101.2% average (equivalent to 95% due to leftovers)

 

[yummynbeefy]

i use rest alot actually but hp electric sounds pretty sweet tbth and i dont have too much of a gyrados problem id actually say SDscizor is a bigger threat than DDgyra to my team after much testing

and yeah most machamps have no guard and noguard + hypnosis = awesomeness

 

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| Scizor | Move | Swords Dance | 37.6 |

SDScizor is so '09.

Also, Suicune and Metagross both handle Scizor fairly well. Registeel resists everything but Superpower, and then you can switch to Gengar once it's locked onto a Fighting-type move.

 

[The Real Gamer]

The only way Machamp would win in this situation is if it was carrying a Lum Berry and Crobat was frail enough to get 2HKOed by Stone Edge + Bullet Punch.

Machamp Stone Edge + Bullet Punch damage: 92.7% - 109.7%, 101.2% average (equivalent to 95% due to leftovers)

Ahhh so Machamp does win in this situation. Interesting.

Thanks for that Ankoku.

 

[Wave⁂]

Ahhh so Machamp does win in this situation. Interesting.

Thanks for that Ankoku.

What are you smoking?

 

[The Real Gamer]

Am I missing something?

 

[Wave⁂]

Am I missing something?

Most Lead Machamps have Ice Punch.
Even so, Crobat loses more often than it wins against Machamp.

 

[yummynbeefy]

sir what are YOU smoking? ice punch/bullet punch only does like 70% after leftys my crobat has never lost to a machamp lead even if they have stone edge they dont seem to like bullet pucnh for some reason

 

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Machamp Stone Edge + Bullet Punch damage: 92.7% - 109.7%, 101.2% average (equivalent to 95% due to leftovers)

sir what are YOU smoking? ice punch/bullet punch only does like 70% after leftys my crobat has never lost to a machamp lead even if they have stone edge they dont seem to like bullet pucnh for some reason

I once fought a guy with a Scizor, but he kept using Ominous Wind on my Rattata, so I won.

 

[yummynbeefy]

what? that doesnt even make sence

 

[The Real Gamer]

Most Lead Machamps have Ice Punch.
Even so, Crobat loses more often than it wins against Machamp.

I C. Small mistake no need to be so aggressive.

I didn't try to make you feel dumb when you suggested Hypnosis would miss on Machamp.

Lets all get along.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'm being aggressive? Where?

Also, team still loses to stall