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Retro Elitism...

finalark

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... is a term I coined shortly after Kirbypika starting trolling around a bit on my Top Five FPS' post. But it was mostly this quote from him that got me to coin this term:

I fucking hate the new generation of gamers.

This is elitism at it's finest. As we can see here, he has a burning hated toward those who weren't blessed by being born in the same generation as him. How foolish, I must say. To be a bit more clear on why he said this (although I'm still confused myself) it's because newer games such as Resistance or Killzone 2 were making lists "of all time" rather than his old favorites. This, this is almost as bad as the Twilight fangirls who attacked that one guy that I talked about in a previous post. If you recall, those girls attacked that man because he didn't like twilight. I can only shake my head in shame of humanity when I see such bitter hatred toward a group or a person because of something as trivial as likes and dislikes.

You know, you shouldn't flip out or get angry just because Half-Life 2 was rated high than Doom on an "of all time" list. Seriously, I've seen some older gamers flip out because (insert old game here) wasn't higher up or at the top of a list. Grow up. For one thing, perhaps before you go on a rampage think about this: maybe the reason why new games are rated so much higher than many older games is because they're actually good. Many Retro Elitists that I've met haven't even played most new games, and start judging them because they have graphics that are more technologically advanced than a drawing on a piece of graft paper.

Many Retro Elitists refuse to go beyond a certain point in gaming because they can't accept that games are not going to be the way the were when they first started. From what I've seen, a lot of them can't stand games that go past a certain generation (usually anything from last gen onward). Why is this? Well, I may not be a "professional" at examining the human mind, but I can take a rough stab at it. I believe that it's because old games are to them what a shooter is to a 360 owner. Safe and familiar. And because they can't see past that wall of safeness and familiarity, they choose to shun and hate those who don't share the same security blanket. And from this, Retro Elitism (and elitism in general) is born.

Many old things die off for a reason. The lives system is starting to go into retirement because lives original were just a countdown at arcades until you had to put in your next quarter. Merciless difficult is going away because some people want to be able to beat a game without either being insane or Korean. Graphics advanced because looking at a sharply rendered plumber is a lot nicer than looking at one you could draw on MS Paint. Old things tend to die out because exactly that, they're old! Outdated, not in style anymore! That's the reason why fads pass and fade out of memory, that's the reason why we all stop watching certain shows at some point. Because they're been outgrown, everything becomes old and outgrown by the population of the earth. That's why we move on, we advance, we grow, we evolve.

If any Retro Elitists are reading this and are going to say something along of the lines of, "you just don't like old games" I want you to know this: don't be stupid, of course I don't hate old games! There are tons of old games that I like! Chrono Trigger, Battle Toads, Super Mario World, just to name a few. But here's the point of this whole post: elitism is foolish, and Retro Elitism is stupid. Before you flame a new game just because it isn't the same as it used to be, drop that well-worn security blanket. Try something new, unless it involves something hazardous, it won't kill you.
 

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Go to Shoryuken they treat 09ers worst than ever.
It also doesn't help that most games discussed there were released (or built on a game made) in the 90s.
 

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There will always be haters. Some people are just too stupid to accept someone has different tastes.
As Firus said, 99.6%. I really wish that people could grow up and except that everyone is different. After all, that's one of the things that makes us human.
 

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this had a 99.6% chance of turning into a brawl vs. melee/64 thread... new isnt always better as brawl has shown lmao
 

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This is a trend in society that has been going on since the dawn of man...
The older generation will always find faults with the younger ones. Of course, we all long for the "good old days" with minds full of nostalgia; who wouldn't? The fact is, this is just a "normal" trend in society. Don't sweat it. Just like in the 50's when rock was rebellious, the older generation will always look back with a little scorn at the newer things. Times are changing, and forever will be.
 

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You Younger newbies don't even understand the old school...

You started with your Wind Waker and World of Warcraft...and stuff.

Than you try a classic and say it sucks.
 

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You Younger newbies don't even understand the old school...

You started with your Wind Waker and World of Warcraft...and stuff.

Than you try a classic and say it sucks.
I'm a younger gamer, and my first Zelda was actually Zelda II.

And don't get me started on that cyber-crack World of Warcraft. All that game is is an overrated and over popular spin-off of a really good RTS series.

To be honest, most classics do suck. Or are at least only half as good as you hear. I would go on my rant about nostalgia, but I'm afraid that I sucked that particular male extension again it would turn black and fall off.

And I'm curious to know what you mean by "don't even understand the old school."
 

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Good stuff finalark. It is sad when people refuse to recognize how technological advancements make the things we love even better then how we remember them. But like you said, that's a scary prospect for some people.
 
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Some people can't give up old times. I have friends who use pagers instead of cell phones.
 

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To be honest, most classics do suck. Or are at least only half as good as you hear.
Thaaaat's not necessarily true. A lot of classics are overrated, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that classics aren't really that good at all. Like, I cannot get into OoT, which is a huge flaw if it doesn't draw you in; but I'm sure it gets better on, which is why it's so renowned.

A good example of nostalgia clearly not being dominant in how much one enjoys a game is Super Metroid for me. My favorite game ever. But, I didn't play it for the first time until last year.

However, I agree with you on Retro Elitists. I don't like people who are absolutely idiotic about things, such as those who think that any game in 3D is bad. I've met those people, and they're pure idiots.

New games are great and anyone who automatically labels them as bad is ignorant; but the same goes for the classics. They may be old but if they still get recognition from more than just elitists it's probably a safe bet that the game is actually good.
 

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Thaaaat's not necessarily true. A lot of classics are overrated, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that classics aren't really that good at all.
You're right, I was a bit harsh when I said a lot of them suck. I suppose that was just me channeling my disappointment in many classics. But there are some classics that deserve the praise they get, such as Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VI.
 

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It is sad when people refuse to recognize how technological advancements make the things we love even better then how we remember them.
There's good reasons for that.
Okay, technological advancements:

Cars are invented. Okay, now we have an excuse to pollute the environment and kick-start global warming. Whoopee.

TV is invented. Great, now we have an excuse to stay at home all day, and not go outside.

Cable TV is invented. Great, now have the above excuse all over again.

Computers are invented. Great, now we have a better alternative to actually thinking.

Video games are invented. It's like the TV example, only interactive!

Video games advance in technology. Great, now we don't need arcades anymore. Y'know, the things you actually had to go outside to use?

Internet is invented. Now we have 4chan.

Video games go online. Now we have Ecksbawks live.

think about it for a second....


On a more serious (?) note, I guess you could call me a retro elitist, for things I said in the past. But hey, I'd say 3Dlitests are just as elitist as us as well. Why don't you mention them too, eh?!:mad088:
 

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Sometimes I wish I had been born earlier. I'm relatively young, and I got into gaming at a later age, so my first console was a GameCube... I wonder if I'll ever get to play Earthbound...
 

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Finalark, you realize that you are hating retro games, which is reverse-elitism?

From what I can tell, he is as big of a fan of retro as you are next-gen and you hate retro games somewhat more than he hates next-gen games.
 

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He is ranting about Retro ELITISTS. Let's not get out of topic please.

And yeah, 3D elitists are just as stupid as retro elitists, but aren't all elitists just as stupid?
 

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I like how the thread starter referenced Chrono-Trigger and Super Mario World as "old." Those were the new fangled games that people compared to Mario 1, Super mario 3, Dragon Warrior, FF1, etc. And THOSE games I just listed were the new fancy stuff compared to pong, ms pacman, Donkey kong jr, centipede, space invaders, etc. If you're going to talk about old games, at least go back that far.

I lol'ed one time when I heard a kid refer to the N64 as "the original Nintendo"... because it was not a gamecube.
 

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Finalark, you realize that you are hating retro games, which is reverse-elitism?

From what I can tell, he is as big of a fan of retro as you are next-gen and you hate retro games somewhat more than he hates next-gen games.
don't be stupid, of course I don't hate old games! There are tons of old games that I like! Chrono Trigger, Battle Toads, Super Mario World, just to name a few.
Read the blog before you say anything stupid.

Video games are invented. It's like the TV example, only interactive!
You do realize that you're on a video game forum, right?

I'd say 3Dlitests are just as elitist as us as well. Why don't you mention them too, eh?!:mad088:
Because that post was about Retro Elitists, not 3Dlitests.
 

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There are several ways to talk about this. I disagree to a point.

I don't flame people just because they like Twilight Princess, but I certainly don't understand how anyone in their right mind can like it.

I played Twilight, and honestly, I like Majora's Mask more. It was more difficult, had more side-quests, etc (and Twilight had too much hype that it couldn't deliver to, which wasn't exactly its fault).

I don't like new games, at least for Nintendo. Everything these days seem easy, short, generic, uncreative and 'kiddy'.

That doesn't mean I don't like new games. I nearly jizzed when I played RE5. I also loved Left 4 Dead.

Point being, some of us have our reasons. I also just wanted to ramble.
 

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and Twilight had too much hype that it couldn't deliver to, which wasn't exactly its fault.
This is why I ignore hype, because hype creates ungodly expectation and ungodly expectations lead to ungodly disappointment. I choose not to give into the TP hype, which is probably why I loved the game.
 

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This is why I ignore hype, because hype creates ungodly expectation and ungodly expectations lead to ungodly disappointment. I choose not to give into the TP hype, which is probably why I loved the game.
lol... I've debated about this in the past quite a lot... [not that this is a debate]

But for me, it wasn't just the hype that I fell for [like an idiot]. I thought the game could have been improved upon, such as adding some system where bosses could be played again, for example. It was short, easy (beat it in a day). I thought it was generic as well.

The game had its perks. I thought the first horse-back battle was amazing; unfortunately, that was one of the only things I liked. All else, the story line was definitely more artistic.
 

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Tell me about it, man. The retro-elitists of this generation are so ****ing stupid. I remember back in the 90s when retro-elitism was something you CARED about...
 
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