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asianaussie
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Grapple grabs are arguably much better in 1v2...
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ballin4life
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Mario should be higher imo. Good recovery, can play keep away with the fireballs, decent priority too. Also fox can still run away and laser camp right? Seems like he should be decent at least
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I'd still think that Pikachu and Kirby are clear top tier no matter if its 1vs1 or 1vs2. They have some gay stuff that makes them hard to approach no matter what. Other chars like Falcon and fox on the other hand, get wrecked on 2vs1, because they cant do the combos.
why would you want to grab in a 1v2 unless the oppoent's don't know how to punish. Time for my critique
Ness sucks in 1v2's, Ness doesn't have the range
Pikachu deserves first due to being able to actually recover and get out of combos
Kirby is 2nd
Fox is really good also due to aerial priority
Falcon is good overall, but has a difficult time getting out of combos and one hit basically means death. however, aerials really help
Samus is much better as it is diffuclt to combo her.
Yoshi sucks in 1v2's as you can't DJCC combos anymore and the other player can stop DJC's/ up tilts
here is my list.
Top Tier/Out prioritize/out maneuver tier
Pikachu: Up B gets out of combos, up tilt has massive priority, throws actually help, great at approaching and camping
Kirby: up tilt and back air, does well legitimately vs. most characters, just great at camping
High tier/Combo or kill or be killed tier:
Fox: Massive priority, Lasers can legitimately camp in 1v2’s compared to other projectiles.
C.Falcon: Incredibly good at combos regardless of the 1v2, high priority, has a weakness to Kirby however
Mid Tier/High camping ability/outprioritize
Mario: Mario can reasonably camp, Mario is quite good at getting out of combos and n-air/back air help. Throws are good for 1v2 type throws
Samus: Samus can get out of combos mad easily, back air camping is quite easy. Issue is bad matchups and a weakness to some of the better dubs character (Falcon, Pikachu, etc.)
Low Tier/Low combos/low camping ability
Ness: Low range in general, 1 hit = death usually, down b is punishable good grabs, recovery is beyond terrible
Yoshi: DJC’s/DJCC’s are easily punished, up tilt can’t properly combo
Luigi: Can’t properly combo in 1v2’s Up b and all aerials are easily punished.
Bottom Tier/no proper combos/no camp ability
Jigglypuff: Way, too, difficult to camp in 1v2’s, way too light, throws and rest combos don’t help if you die at 60 percent or LOWER
DK: Grabs rarely help anymore, DK is too big a target, projectiles will win and will win badly
Link: Can’t projectile camp 2 players, 1 hit means death.
Ness sucks in 1v2's, Ness doesn't have the range
Pikachu deserves first due to being able to actually recover and get out of combos
Kirby is 2nd
Fox is really good also due to aerial priority
Falcon is good overall, but has a difficult time getting out of combos and one hit basically means death. however, aerials really help
Samus is much better as it is diffuclt to combo her.
Yoshi sucks in 1v2's as you can't DJCC combos anymore and the other player can stop DJC's/ up tilts
here is my list.
Top Tier/Out prioritize/out maneuver tier
Pikachu: Up B gets out of combos, up tilt has massive priority, throws actually help, great at approaching and camping
Kirby: up tilt and back air, does well legitimately vs. most characters, just great at camping
High tier/Combo or kill or be killed tier:
Fox: Massive priority, Lasers can legitimately camp in 1v2’s compared to other projectiles.
C.Falcon: Incredibly good at combos regardless of the 1v2, high priority, has a weakness to Kirby however
Mid Tier/High camping ability/outprioritize
Mario: Mario can reasonably camp, Mario is quite good at getting out of combos and n-air/back air help. Throws are good for 1v2 type throws
Samus: Samus can get out of combos mad easily, back air camping is quite easy. Issue is bad matchups and a weakness to some of the better dubs character (Falcon, Pikachu, etc.)
Low Tier/Low combos/low camping ability
Ness: Low range in general, 1 hit = death usually, down b is punishable good grabs, recovery is beyond terrible
Yoshi: DJC’s/DJCC’s are easily punished, up tilt can’t properly combo
Luigi: Can’t properly combo in 1v2’s Up b and all aerials are easily punished.
Bottom Tier/no proper combos/no camp ability
Jigglypuff: Way, too, difficult to camp in 1v2’s, way too light, throws and rest combos don’t help if you die at 60 percent or LOWER
DK: Grabs rarely help anymore, DK is too big a target, projectiles will win and will win badly
Link: Can’t projectile camp 2 players, 1 hit means death.
Surri-Sama
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even this tier list is about TLDR xD
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thegreginator
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I have played A LOT of 2 vs. 1 since no one at my school could really compete with me 1 on 1. The people I played were not bad tho, and were usually able to win about half the time 2 vs. 1 against me.
TOP:
Kirby
Pikachu
HIGH:
Mario
Fox
MID:
Samus
Falcon
Luigi
LOW:
Jiggly
DK
Yoshi
BOTTOM:
Link
Ness
Anyone who has a bad recovery is even worse in 2 v 1. With 2 people edgeguarding one throw off the stage is often death. This is why Falcon and Fox are lower. Combo ability doesn't matter as much cuz they will almost always be interrupted. This is why Samus is higher. Really its about getting in quick hits and being able to recover. Edgeguarding can be dangerous because it can result in the other person edgeguarding you.
TOP:
Kirby
Pikachu
HIGH:
Mario
Fox
MID:
Samus
Falcon
Luigi
LOW:
Jiggly
DK
Yoshi
BOTTOM:
Link
Ness
Anyone who has a bad recovery is even worse in 2 v 1. With 2 people edgeguarding one throw off the stage is often death. This is why Falcon and Fox are lower. Combo ability doesn't matter as much cuz they will almost always be interrupted. This is why Samus is higher. Really its about getting in quick hits and being able to recover. Edgeguarding can be dangerous because it can result in the other person edgeguarding you.
sharksquail
Smash Ace
This looks right to me.
Purtle
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I agree with thegreginator's list I think
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andrewajt62
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Not to get off topic, but kirby is a dude. As shown here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1M7kJASyoQ
But yeah, I think kirby would have a very high placing on this list. Maybe Jiggly too
SpeedGhost
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Kirby
Pikachu
Mario
Samus
Top 4 1v2 characters bar none. Samus is surprisingly good against 2 if you're playing a defensive game.
Pikachu
Mario
Samus
Top 4 1v2 characters bar none. Samus is surprisingly good against 2 if you're playing a defensive game.
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samus's only game is defense
rawrimamonster
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Being a lover of 2v1, I can personally vouch the DK and Jiggly should be switched. While jigglypuff has good recovery and combos shes left open by the lag of her attacks in a 2v1.
Now while yes she has a good throw, and decent aerial priority to keep good spacing with her opponents. If you get the right combination of players/chars shes ****ed no matter how much of a air camper you are. If she gets grabbed near a edge at low percents shes as good as ****ed as much as ness. Anyone with a drilling/stomping dair outside of jigglypuff herself (easy to di out of) can gimp her ****.
Reason I put DK over jiggly is simply that DK can multitask much easier than jiggly can. His ability to grab quickly, get people off stage coupled with the ability to break out of combos with up+b makes him a bit better of a choice. Both DK and Jiggly have even recoveries in my opinion. Its just a matter of DK being a better multitasker. To simplify think of DK's moves that are effective and think of jiggly's (same) and put them in a 2v1 situation. Poking with her nair isnt going to solve all of your problems.
Now while yes she has a good throw, and decent aerial priority to keep good spacing with her opponents. If you get the right combination of players/chars shes ****ed no matter how much of a air camper you are. If she gets grabbed near a edge at low percents shes as good as ****ed as much as ness. Anyone with a drilling/stomping dair outside of jigglypuff herself (easy to di out of) can gimp her ****.
Reason I put DK over jiggly is simply that DK can multitask much easier than jiggly can. His ability to grab quickly, get people off stage coupled with the ability to break out of combos with up+b makes him a bit better of a choice. Both DK and Jiggly have even recoveries in my opinion. Its just a matter of DK being a better multitasker. To simplify think of DK's moves that are effective and think of jiggly's (same) and put them in a 2v1 situation. Poking with her nair isnt going to solve all of your problems.