Remote Mine.

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According to the JumpFesta goers from Japan, Snake's mine is in fact a remote mine. Dealing 10-20% damage. It just reminded me of the endless possibilities. Knock your opponent off the stage, lay down a mine at the edge. When they come back, trigger the mine. I just wonder how long it takes to lay a mine (sure, we saw it in the video but that might not be all there's to it), how long it takes to make it explode, if there's a specific amount of time the mine can last...

Anyway, discuss. Possibilities are endless.

 

[verditude]

The mine is his down special, right? Don't say it's his down smash, the remote thing is wayyy too fancy to be a smash attack. Maybe his smash is an immediately exploding mine and his down special buries the mine for triggering later?

 

[Iceman12]

Sounds like an edgeguard to me for sure ;p. Snake could very well end up being an edge guard specialist with all the projectile's he has, aaaahhh potential ^_~.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

in the trailer there was a mini combo shown in which snakes lays a mine and lays mario on it. i think that lay move we saw in the snake joins brawl trailer is his back throw. that is a mini combo from hell.

 

[iMichael]

The mine is his down special, right? Don't say it's his down smash, the remote thing is wayyy too fancy to be a smash attack.

The land mine is his down smash. Snake is going to be one of those characters where you have to master his tilts.

Snakes Special Moves:

http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/snake.html

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

it gives me the craps that some people can't read

 

[Chi's Finest]

The mine is his down special, right? Don't say it's his down smash, the remote thing is wayyy too fancy to be a smash attack. Maybe his smash is an immediately exploding mine and his down special buries the mine for triggering later?

It's his down Smash. The mine MUST be planted on the ground, where only a Smash attack could be used. Also, Sakurai shows it as a Smash attack. Sakurai reveals Snake's up and down smashes in the update for his special moves.

Snake's Moveset:

Smashes:
F Smash: Knee to Fist Smash Combo (Double Smash, similar to Link's)
U Smash: Mortor fired vertically in air
D Smash: Remote Mine

Specials:
N Special: Hand Grenade
F Special: Remote Missle
U Special: Cypher (Flying thingy)
D Special: Rocket Launcher (Fired at the ground in front at a 45 degree angle)

 

[Jackal478]

You positive that the mine isn't the downB?

I've seen two different mine animations:
-Planting the mine (takes about 3 sec by the looks of it)
-Blowing up the mine (he flicks a switch in the air catches it and then you see an explosion)

 

[Chi's Finest]

I'm positive. Sakurai's update on the Dojo for Snake's special moves ssuggests it's a Smash. He says how some of Snake's Smash's use weapons, and then shows the mortar and mine attacks. His third smash is already known to be the Knee/Fist combo. So Sakurai was showing the two smash attacks of Snake's that use weapons.

Sakurai THEN shows Snake's special moves, after he explained the Smash attacks of Snake.

 

[Wyvern]

I'm almost positive the downward-angled RPG was a down-tilt. It's basically identical to Samus's, aside from being way slower and stronger (since it basically needs to server as a replacement down-smash, with the mine being as wacky as it is). Besides, if his down-special was something so mundane, they would have just switched it with the mine and everything would have been a lot easier. The real down-B has to be something more complicated...I'm guessing it has something to do with the infamous box (whose exact role is yet to be revealed), but there's no way to know for sure.

And I'm not entirely convinced that the fist-knee combo thing is a smash attack. It looked awfully weak...even his jab combo had more force than that. On the other hand, I'm not sure what else it could be...unless it's a two-part tilt, which I guess would really be no more bizarre than all the other stuff he's throwing at us.

 

[Gerudo Warrior]

you just have to read the update. it is a normal attack

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Maybe they decided to put something new in?

I know, shocking!

 

[iMichael]

I'm almost positive the downward-angled RPG was a down-tilt. It's basically identical to Samus's, aside from being way slower and stronger (since it basically needs to server as a replacement down-smash, with the mine being as wacky as it is). Besides, if his down-special was something so mundane, they would have just switched it with the mine and everything would have been a lot easier. The real down-B has to be something more complicated...I'm guessing it has something to do with the infamous box (whose exact role is yet to be revealed), but there's no way to know for sure.

And I'm not entirely convinced that the fist-knee combo thing is a smash attack. It looked awfully weak...even his jab combo had more force than that. On the other hand, I'm not sure what else it could be...unless it's a two-part tilt, which I guess would really be no more bizarre than all the other stuff he's throwing at us.

Will you please go read the update.....the Dojo shows his cardboard box, special moves and smash attacks.

Remote mine is a Smash attack. Cardboard box is a taunt. I'm pretty sure the downward-angled RPG is his down-B...I could be wrong though.

 

[Wyvern]

Will you please go read the update.....the Dojo shows his cardboard box, special moves and smash attacks.

Remote mine is a Smash attack. Cardboard box is a taunt. I'm pretty sure the downward-angled RPG is his down-B...I could be wrong though.

What the heck are you talking about? Nothing in the update contradicts what I just said. The box is shown to exist in a screenshot, but there was no description of what it does or how to use it. What proof is there that it's a taunt? It's not impossible, but I don't recall ever seeing it confirmed. Besides, Mario was shown physically interacting with it in one of the trailers. I doubt a taunt would create a tangible object, but various specials have been confirmed to do so (like Wario's bike). And I specifically referred to the mine as the down-smash right in the post, so I have no idea what you're acting all indignant about.

The RPG being a down-B just doesn't make any sense with the mine being confirmed as a smash attack. If that were the case, they could have easily put the RPG as a down-smash and used the mine as a special, and things would have been infinitely simpler. The mine is confirmed as a down-smash, so I can only assume that the real down-special is something complicated enough to justify not putting the mine there instead. Besides, the attack pattern of the RPG is almost a textbook example of a down-tilt. Short range, hits the ground directly in front of you. I don't think there's a single B move in the game that's that unspectacular.

 

[Chi's Finest]

^ Proof that the box is a taunt?
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique07.html

Snake's believed moveset:
http://www.brawlcentral.com/movesets.php?id=snake

 

[Wyvern]

^ Proof that the box is a taunt?
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/howto/technique/technique07.html

Ooooh, right. *smacks forehead*

I think I almost remembered the box-taunt thing in the back of my mind somewhere, but I somehow associated the memory with forum rumors rather than a Dojo confirmation.

 

[D.Q]

i think the rpg is more like a down angled fsmash
cause it would be lame if the rpg was limited to 45 degrees
but idk
still would work as an edgeguard tho
maybe it spikes if you hit them with it

 

[FireWater]

Is it me, or does it not make any sense about the d Smash as well as the D-special. Doesn't it seem reversed to me?

I think the D-Special should be the mine, and the D-Smash the RPG, but who knows.

 

[:034:]

Y'know. Thinking of it, Snake has the most ultimate edgeguard game EVER.

You lay down a mine near the edge. You can fire the Nikita towards your opponent, or use the downward Rocket Launcher to shoot people trying to use the tether recovery. And if someone goes REALLY high (sonic), you can use the Mortar/Rocket upsmash! And if there's more projectile work with forward tilt or anything...

 

[domiNate]

I read something that Snake's mine is not a motion sensor but a remote detonated by the user, if that holds true that would be one weird smash.

http://wiinintendo.net/2008/01/03/new-brawl-information/#more-4377

Fifth one down. This perplexes me.

 

[shortwanabelaker]

Is it me, or does it not make any sense about the d Smash as well as the D-special. Doesn't it seem reversed to me?

I think the D-Special should be the mine, and the D-Smash the RPG, but who knows.

I agree.. its ******** to switch them and throw off everyone. Although i think the rpg should be a down tilt somewhat like samus's, and snakes down smash should also be something like samus's downsmash

but nothing about his down special has been confirmed sooo... it could be something even better and the rpg could be a tilt

 

[FireWater]

Well yeah, I know I'm new here and all, but doesn't a down smash strike both sides (back and front) of the player executing it?

so maybe the RPG would be better for a down tilt.

 

[Chepe]

Yeah, I believe the RPG is a down tilt as well. Its just too mundane to be a special move to me. Something tells me that his down special is something that makes the mine acceptable as a down smash. It might be something weird that wont let us say "his down smash and down special should switch!" anymore...

 

[Camera_Guy]

WAIT! Snakes down smash is his RPG.

 

[Chepe]

No. Its. Not. Why, why cant people read the special moves update properly?

 

[iMichael]

Wow. I can't believe we are really going back and forth on this subject.....people just check the Dojo.

 

[NeoZ]

Well yeah, I know I'm new here and all, but doesn't a down smash strike both sides (back and front) of the player executing it?

so maybe the RPG would be better for a down tilt.

Mewtwo thinks otherwise.
EDIT: Snake's downb confirmed, it's C4.
Mine=proximity mine.

 

[Layupfreak]

edgeguarding abilities!

 

[OrlanduEX]

Now could someone tell me why people are still saying that there are 2 mines?
I don't think that the position of the pictures on the Dojo count.

 

[LaniusShrike]

People are saying two mines because they're too lazy to use any real terms. Snake's down B is him laying a block of C4 explosives which is detonated remotely. Then, Snake's down smash attack is him laying a proximity MINE.

C4 and a mine.

 

[OrlanduEX]

People are saying two mines because they're too lazy to use any real terms. Snake's down B is him laying a block of C4 explosives which is detonated remotely. Then, Snake's down smash attack is him laying a proximity MINE.

C4 and a mine.

But how do we know that Snake even has a mine?

 

[NeoZ]

But how do we know that Snake even has a mine?

His special moves update and "Snake joins the brawl" video.

 

[kainsword]

The DownSmash is a MINE because you CANNOT set mines in the AIR. You can only use smash attacks on the ground, which is appropriate to the specific conditions required for a mine.

However, you can FIRE A ROCKET diagonally from the air.

In order to alleviate Snake from missing a Down B in the air, like how Donkey Kong cannot Down B in the air, Sakurai therefore implemented this choice instead.

The logic used here isn't very hard to understand. Yeah, you were expecting the Rocket Launcher to work like Samus's Down Tilt. Well, it doesn't. Snake has an unusual Down Smash, and I believe this is called innovation. We really can't restrict ourselves into forcing every character to breakdance for a Down Smash, because that genre of Down Smashes is really getting old. I'm really glad that Snake cna change up the old formula for creating Smash attacks.

 

[Camera_Guy]

WAIT! Snakes down smash is his RPG.

No. Its. Not. Why, why cant people read the special moves update properly?

Wow. I can't believe we are really going back and forth on this subject.....people just check the Dojo.

YA HA! I was right!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2PBMVPmttn8 (00:17-00:18) Down Smash.

Knee/fist = forward smash
Mortar = Up smash

 

[Jumpinjahosafa]

Snake has a mine AND C4.

You can see him lay the mine early in today's japan update for the online test.

And you can see Him do the C4 in that 5 minute video.

I don't feel like linking either.. just beleive me.