Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (1.1.0)

[Ciex]

Ciex submitted a new guide:

Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! - Learn damage outputs, combos and techniques for Lucas here!

Lucas is a very powerful character, he was released on June 14th with the amazing DLC that also contained Ryu, Roy and 3 stages. What an amazing DLC!
But Lucas almost sits in the shadows compared to Ryu's and Roy's popularity, but not for me! I have been experiementing and discovering, and i shall continue to do so. This guide will be updated if anything new is found out!

This guide will try to cover:

• Who i am
• A moveset damage & usage breakdown
• Playstyles
• Pros & Cons...

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[Genclops]

Thanks for posting this. I have been hitting the lab with Lucas everyday since he came out and you discovered a few things that I hadn't yet. Very informative to have everything in the same place.

 

[kmac$]

You should add the double PKT2 recovery to techniques.

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (IN PROGRESS) with a new update entry:

Guide changes 19/06 - 2015

• More accurate pros & cons
• Added a combo - "Down you go!"
• Updated thoughts on d-air and its usage.

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[O Rai]

Lucas has more kill options than people give him credit since well HES NOT NESS.

#1 rule with Lucas: SPACING, SPACING, SPACING... your damage output is not gonna to arrive from d-throw fairs like ness, instead you have to be creative with how you use Lucas. also your ledge guarding game is pretty much as good as Falco's/ amongst the better in the game

Kill options:
- Back Throw somewhere near 110 (near ledge mainly)
- Up Smash (slow but situational to the point where it can destroy people in free fall after they whiff up b (ex. Say ZSS fishing for a kill))
- Psi Magnet (amazing knock back if timed correctly (see video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAUMSiJBijw
- Down Smash (safer (faster and multi hit)) and IMO better uses than the up smash, but kills later in most cases
- Bair and Dair- Meteors
- Side smash (the stick), faster/safer than Ness's but not as powerful (see a theme starting to occur between the two?)
- U- air if close towards ceiling (usually follows a d- throw (kinda like the Hoo- Hah of diddy but not nearly as broken since its priority isn't amazing)
- Pk Thunder- Amazing for gimps against recovering foes and lands a stage spike for uninvincible ledge grabbers on stages like Smashville (mainly the diagonally constructed ledges)
- Pk Freeze (The funniest kill ever) at higher percents like 150 since most land it at stage level and the aerial trajectory isn't quite enough, but it can kill airborne foes somewhere starting at 100% if landed approximately midway between floor/ ceiling of an Omega stage (also depends on the stage but its a relatively safer move than PK Flash so feel free to throw some out)

 

[phili]

@ Ciex I liked the dthrow > bair > nair combo idea that you described in your guide. Definitely this is not a true combo, but it does seem tight enough to work on some opponents. However, your damage from the combo you posted wasn't maximized. Instead of ending the combo with nair > fair, you can do nair > nair > uair to get more damage. Here is a video I created showing the string that I am referring to. You are welcome to use this as an example video in your guide if you so choose.

 

[Ciex]

@ Ciex I liked the dthrow > bair > nair combo idea that you described in your guide. Definitely this is not a true combo, but it does seem tight enough to work on some opponents. However, your damage from the combo you posted wasn't maximized. Instead of ending the combo with nair > fair, you can do nair > nair > uair to get more damage. Here is a video I created showing the string that I am referring to. You are welcome to use this as an example video in your guide if you so choose.

Nice find! I shall add it to the guide, also giving you credit!

 

[phili]

Nice find! I shall add it to the guide, also giving you credit!

thanks a lot man. Keep up the good work. Great guide!

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (IN PROGRESS) with a new update entry:

Guide update #1 - A better combo and more!

Hey everyone! Out with the first guide update.
So much feedback after only one day, man! Thank you everyone!
Here goes! This is what has been added!:

• When and how to kill (Shoutouts to O Rai for the inspiration to add this!)
• A new technique! (Shoutouts to kmac$ for...

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[Ciex]

thanks a lot man. Keep up the good work. Great guide!

Thanks a ton!
Always motivating to hear feedback!

 

[phili]

Actually pulled off that exact string I posted against a Link just a few minutes ago. Proves that it is a viable combo in game.

 

[extremechiton]

Ive got a couple more true combos.
Note1: zairs must he activated close to the ground
Note2: i found you need forward momentom for some of these to work, like from a dash.

point blank zair into short hop fair<---- this can kill at higher percents and if close to the edge.
Also woks better on taller / heavier characters at lower percents than smaller / lighter characters at lower percents

point blank zair into short hop zair (only at higher percents and also quite useless)

point blank zair into ftilt.

Point blank zair into uptilt (needs momenum)

Point blank zair into jab

Point blank zair into dtilt<---- most useless

Point blank zair into dash attack (only at higher percents)

Point blank zair into f smash (needs momentum)

Dthrow into uptilt.

Falling up air into uptilt

Faling up air into jab

Falling up air into ftilt (big characters only)
Falling up air into up air (starting at 20%)
Falling up air into fair

You basically have to be frame perfect and i dont see viability in real matches since you have to be super close ajd be really quick.
Ill make a video showcasing them soon.

Falling nair into jab (at mid percents)

 

[Ciex]

Ive got a couple more true combos.
Note1: zairs must he activated close to the ground
Note2: i found you need forward momentom for some of these to work, like from a dash.

point blank zair into short hop fair<---- this can kill at higher percents and if close to the edge.
Also woks better on taller / heavier characters at lower percents than smaller / lighter characters at lower percents

point blank zair into short hop zair (only at higher percents and also quite useless)

point blank zair into ftilt.

Point blank zair into uptilt (needs momenum)

Point blank zair into jab

Point blank zair into dtilt<---- most useless

Point blank zair into dash attack (only at higher percents)

Point blank zair into f smash (needs momentum)

Dthrow into uptilt.

Falling up air into uptilt

Faling up air into jab

Falling up air into ftilt (big characters only)
Falling up air into up air (starting at 20%)
Falling up air into fair

You basically have to be frame perfect and i dont see viability in real matches since you have to be super close ajd be really quick.
Ill make a video showcasing them soon.

Falling nair into jab (at mid percents)

Your post is extremely hard to read, so i reposted it in white color.
Great find though! I will try them out myself asap.

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (IN PROGRESS) with a new update entry:

Quick update!

• Added video demonstration to the "Down you go!" combo.
• Fixed some typos.
• Added Z-air combos!

Thank you extremechiton for the Z-air combos!

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[Ciex]

Hello Lucas players! Just made a quick update for the guide.
extremechiton if you make the videos showcasing them, i'll put them into the guide, shoutouting you!

Would be cool you rate the guide! Would help me a lot and other Lucas players as i gather all information here.
I really appriciate us all exploring and discovering combos and techniques and i hope that we'll continue to do so!

Thanks a ton everyone!

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (In progress) with a new update entry:

Guide update #2 - Terminology!

Hey everyone! Back with another guide update.

• Terminology has been added to the guide!
• OoS(Out of Shield) has been added to techniques!
• Frame data for n-air has been added to the moveset breakdown!

Terminology is something all communities use a lot, and the Super Smash Brothers community is indifferent. In the Smash community it doesn't matter if we talk about 64, Melee, Brawl, PM or Smash 4. We still have the same terminology even if you can't...

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[Snackss]

PK Fire definitely can KO off-stage. And walkoff PK Fire has a good chance of KO or gimp. If your opponent airdodges it they might send themselves too low to recover, or in position for a back air/ rising down air spike.

 

[Lord Retardus]

On top of nair, don't forget utilt is a good option OoS as well. Though then again I don't know frame data...

 

[Ciex]

On top of nair, don't forget utilt is a good option OoS as well. Though then again I don't know frame data...

It is an alternative for sure, i will add it to the guide.
The frames are different, n-air is faster and has pretty much the same effect as doing an OoS up-tilt.
Also, OoS up-tilt is a little harder to time because you have to drop the shield first.

Thanks for menioning it anyway! An alternative is an alternative, good for mixups!

 

[Ciex]

PK Fire definitely can KO off-stage. And walkoff PK Fire has a good chance of KO or gimp. If your opponent airdodges it they might send themselves too low to recover, or in position for a back air/ rising down air spike.

This was pretty much said in the Moveset breakdown part of the guide, but i'll add it to kill options.
Thank you for the very detailed info!

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (In progress) with a new update entry:

Guide update #3 - More technology and beneficial stages!

Hey everyone! Another update is up!
This update contains:

• Added technology
  • Perfect Pivoting, how to perform it and its uses
  • Jump cancel upsmash and how to perform it
  • Ledge trumping, and what do out of it!
• Pros and cons when it comes to stages for Lucas.
• Which stages you should pick and ban
• A kill option, PKF off-stage (Thanks Snackss!)
• Up-tilt...

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[extremechiton]

While recording my video for zair combos, i came across zair ledge cancels.

 

[Ciex]

While recording my video for zair combos, i came across zair ledge cancels.

Cool!
If you want them in the guide, please send the link to the video on youtube and i'll make sure to put it into the guide giving you credit!
Thanks!

 

[extremechiton]

Im still editting but i will send you the link when im finished.

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (In progress) with a new update entry:

Guide update #4 - Frame Data

Hello everybody. Time for a new update.
This time, i have added:

• Frame Data
• Duck Hunt to Stages for Lucas

-And that's it. It was exhausting to add and to perfect it all into a table.

If you've read the guide before, you might find that things are very different now.
This, is what has been changed with the guide:

• The moveset breakdown has been sorted into a table.
• The whole guide has been put into "Spoilers"
• Fixed typos.

This was done because i...

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[extremechiton]

so its been a while, but ive finally completed (my first ) my lucas zair combos tutorial. and i should have it uploaded by the end of the week.

Edit: it is done!

 

[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! (In progress) with a new update entry:

Guide update #5 - Lucas' changes in 1.1.0!

Greetings Smashers and mostly Lucas players!

A new patch is out, and Lucas happened to get some buffs!
Did you expect that?
I sure didn't, but i felt he was lacking in some areas so it's very welcomed!

This has been added:

• A section for upcoming patches
  
  • 1.1.0 Lucas' changes has been added to the list

These are the (community) patch notes for Lucas.

• Forward Air
  • Sour spot damage increased 8% → 9%
  • Sour spot hitbox...

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[Ciex]

Ciex updated Release the hidden power within! A Lucas Guide! with a new update entry:

Guide update #6 - Global changes.

Greetings everyone, i'm sorry for the inactivity.
School has started and i don't always have time to work on the guide.
I consider the guide to be ready but not finished. That's why the title does no longer include "(In progress)"

So, this is what happened in this guide update:

• Added the changes that happened in 1.1.1 and how they might affect the styles of play.
• Editing some parts of the guide to sum things up better.

I know it's small, but there will be...

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[extremechiton]

I may have found a small strong if it hasn't been found already
At low percents
Dthrow> bair> up air > up tilt > nair.