Random Chaingrab Question

[Hipstarr]

I've been practicing chaingrabbing upthrow against Fox/Falco and I've notice it's a lot easier for me to use the Z button. I usually use Shield+A and AFAIK that is the preferred method for most. Is it common to use the Z button for chaingrabbing or am I just very slow with Shield+A?

 

[FE_Hector]

I'm almost 100% sure that the Z button grabs always come out faster. You've gotta be kinda fast with how you press the button, but it's entirely optimal to press that, especially when you're JC grabbing.

 

[Link24a]

i honestly have no idea why you would use l and a to begin with

 

[FEOwain]

I think I might be the only person who double taps Z to get out a quick pummel

 

[Hipstarr]

i honestly have no idea why you would use l and a to begin with

I use it because often times Z will bring up the light shield for me and not grab. Also I find it easier to grab out of shield with A. That could just be me though.

 

[DeadPigeon]

I use it because often times Z will bring up the light shield for me and not grab. Also I find it easier to grab out of shield with A. That could just be me though.

This means you pressed z too early. your method lets you be more slack with the timing because you can buffer shield

 

[20YY SS | Saiblade]

Definitely use Z, lol, no idea why using l+a was a good idea to you, xD.

 

[A_Reverie]

If you are pressing z and getting light shield, then you are pressing it while still in throw lag. Adjust your timing and make sure you don't press it until after you see Marth's arm come down. Also after like 17% you need to be using jump canceled grabs which is easier by just pressing Y and Z

 

[Stride]

The Z button is just a macro for shield+A, so both methods are just as fast providing that you press shield+A on the same frame. However, using shield+A has a disadvantage (which using the Z button doesn't have) that makes it an objectively worse choice: if you do a tilt turn and then delay the A press by even a frame and thereby go into shield instead of just grabbing, then you will cancel it without tuning around; buffered tilt turns are how you regrab DI behind below about 30%, and using shield+A makes them inconsistent for no reason.

If you are pressing z and getting light shield, then you are pressing it while still in throw lag. Adjust your timing and make sure you don't press it until after you see Marth's arm come down. Also after like 17% you need to be using jump canceled grabs which is easier by just pressing Y and Z

You don't need to dash jump cancel grab; you can walk forwards and grab, or dash forwards shield stop grab (both of which don't move you as far forwards and are therefore useful when you're trying to chaingrab on a platform or by the ledge).

 

[Farkus]

If you are pressing z and getting light shield, then you are pressing it while still in throw lag. Adjust your timing and make sure you don't press it until after you see Marth's arm come down. Also after like 17% you need to be using jump canceled grabs which is easier by just pressing Y and Z

Are jump cancelled grabs possible when standing, or do you have to be dashing?

 

[FE_Hector]

Are jump cancelled grabs possible when standing, or do you have to be dashing?

Provided the input is done properly, your type of motion doesn't matter so long as you're on the ground.

 

[Stride]

Are jump cancelled grabs possible when standing, or do you have to be dashing?

Any time you can enter jumpsquat (i.e. any time you can jump from the ground) you can jump cancel grab; a jump cancel grab is the act of cancelling jumpquat into a standing grab (you have to enter jumpsquat for at least 1 frame). There's no reason to jump cancel grab when you're standing since just grabbing is faster, without an unnecessary extra input or a chance of jumping by accident.