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Race Relations

Matt

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I have a black friend! Guys, this proves it, I'm not racist! I love you all whether you're black, white, fat, deaf, whatever! I don't discriminate!

But seriously, i just found a new friend of mine's xanga, and I read one of her latest entries. She's officially on my "Awesome Friends List." Here's what she had to say:

Ok, it has seriously been a long time since I've written anything!!! This semester has been extremely strenuous. I am, however, excited to be so close to the completion of my undergraduate studies. I'm so very thrilled about the opportunities that await me!!

But, for the meantime, stuff still bothers me. Some of the attitudes and mindsets of the fellow members of my race are really starting to concern me. This guy made a comment to me last week which implied that I am not a real black person. We were sitting down to eat dinner in our residence hall (which is predominately white) when he noticed that he had never really eaten on that side of the cafe. He said, in a "I'm joking, but I really truly mean this"-ly manner, "I sit over there with the real black people." He kinda laughed it off, but I wasn't buying that he was just playing with me; he meant that mess. The black guys of the building have obviously discussed the 11 or 12 black girls in the building and concluded that I seem cool, but also seem like I'm kinda stuck up.

I asked him how dare he question my blackness. I do believe that on some kind of identification certificate or form my race is stated. Oh yeah, what about all those family members I resemble who just happen to be African American...get my drift. I asked him what constitutes being a "real" black person and why would he question me. I guess it's because of the proper manner in which I speak, the way I carry myself like a lady, my gpa, my goals and ambitions or the fact that I have many friends who are of a different ethnic background he derived such a conclusion.

For years I've grown angry at such mentalities by my fellow black people. Then we wonder why it is taking the black community so long to advance socially. Many of us don't even have self-pride, esteem, worth or love and it's highly reflected through behavior. Therefore, if you're black and choose to pick your friends by the content of their character you're a sell out. I asked my dinner buddy, since he's such a "real" black person, what has he done to uplift the black community lately. How is he contributing to society as a young black man. Whose legacy is carrying out in 2007. Could he even name a black inventor.

Have we not struggled enough to be accepted as American citizens that we have to tear our own people down? I hate when black people do this. So what I annunciate when I speak! Why do I have to "talk like a white girl?" Why can't I just be an articulate young lady? What many black people don't realize is that they are belittling themselves when they think such thoughts. They are narrowing their own capacity and enabling their own selves. They are making themselves inferior without the aid of any racist person. I truly wish they could see that.

Then here come the excuses! The "man" and the notorious "system". I will agree that total equality and justice have yet to be reached, but come on now!!! When you don't get a job because of the ways in which you were dressed and spoke, there is no one to blame but yourself. If you got thought of as a suspect to a crime and you're walking around with your pants to your ashy knee caps, wearing a hat cocked to a side hanging out on some corner, PLEASE, do not be suprised. When you're in class and behave badly do NOT blame them for dismissing your disruptive self from the class so others can learn. When you approach a girl as if she is a person of low self-esteem and worth in a disresptful way, don't be too confused as to why she rolled her eyes and kept on about her business.

Many people in society have harsh generalizations about black people, but in a way, who could really blame them. If everytime I encountered a cat it barked, I'm going to believe that cats bark. Those cats can't get mad or not understand why/how I derived that they are a barking species.

I love black people, but I also love other people. As long as you're not disrespectful and we can get along and hold great conversation, you can be my friend. My friendship is equal opportunity...non discriminatory. I could have sworn that's what we as black people have been fighting for these past hundreds of years.

I guess I'm ok now about certain black people thinking I'm not a real black person because I can hang out with people of many different ethnic backgrounds as opposed to sheltering myself and doing myself a disservice through my lifestyle choices. I am more upset that they can't realize what they are doing to themselves and to the advancement of the black race as a whole.
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Eor

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There is no way I'm going to read your friend's Xanga philosophy
 

Matt

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Summary: black people themselves are creating the rift between races by outcasting people of their own race who have white friends or participate in non-black culture.

In my socio-linguistic course, lots of black people confirm this. They say that their own family has turned them into outcasts simply because of a matter of different articulation. They accuse them of not being real black people, and perhaps "selling out to the man."

There's a girl in that class who's half black and half white and (she says) is often mistaken for being Mexican. Talk about an identity crisis! She says that her black family members distrust her and openly criticize because she doesn't look or act black enough.

I find this all fascinating!
 

Volrec

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I'm black also, and I really dont know what people mean by, "acting black" anyway. Is it listening to 50 Cent? Is it listening to Rap? I dont know.

I also hate when my friend keeps making references to fried chicken.

Freaking honkey kong
 

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I'm black and I have a few white friends. I think the whole race thing is silly, if I think someone is cool I'm gonna try to get to know them regardless of race, the more friends the merrier.

Also, I don't think my family cares who I make friends with as long as they aren't bad influences.

P.S. I like rock and techno mainly, which further pushes me into the category "oreo".
 
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Being an African-American male of the same stature,I can completely relate to what she is saying.

The problem with most African-Americans is that they are are confusing their culture with behavior,thinking that it relates to somewhat of a steriotypical referance.

I live in an area full of people who judge me simply by my actions,and the way I articulate.Why in gods name do I have to speak ebonics just to get recognition as an African-American?

I guess to the ignorent ones,intelligent African-Americans don't exist.
 

Mr.Talk

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I can't tell you how many black people piss me off by not calling me black because I simply don't do what they do. Here is some reasons I got from some black people that call me lame

1. I don't drink or party that much. Yeah I don't drink at all because I seen my brother and his friends get drunk and go through a pretty bad night because of it. I don't want to drink because my mind tells me not to. All they say is that I'm not calm or cool and too much of a worry wart because I never drink. Complete BS!!!!!

2.music. All my black friend listen to rap and rap only. I listen to everything and I mean EVERYTHING. I listen to music of many different languages without understanding 90% of them. Basicaly if it's not Rap, R&B, or any type of black related song then they pretty much say **** you

3.My friends. I'm friends with just about all the races you can think of and I don't usually Talk supposedly black around them (meaning not using all of the language)

Those are the main reasons on why they don't like me that much. Not all of them are like that though and some are in the same boat as I'm in
 

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You have a very well spoken and well thought out friend, Matt...if you do indeed know this person :)

And from my personal experience, I would really have to agree with her. I have several black friends and they impose black stereotypes on themselves; every time they are around white people or Asians or any other race they act upright and speak very clearly and are like any body else. But every time other black friends come onto the scene they change (to previously mentioned mannerisms touched on by Matt's potential friend) and it seems it is only for integration with their black friends. On rare occasions my friend Mike actually apologized for how his manners changed when his other black friends stopped by. I asked him why he would have to change his mannerisms if they are just friends, and he just danced around the question due to embarrassment or being unable formulate why.

However, this may also be very heavily influenced by my living in the Mid-South.
 

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Nah, she's full black. And this really is someone I know, geeeeeeeeez. She had the most recent post on my Facebook wall, if you still doubt me.

And everyone changes their manners depending on the situation and audience. I certainly do it, often unconsciously! Around my black friends, for example, I'm more likely to drop the "g" at the end of infinitives, and I'm more blunt and vulgar. When I talk to my elderly white coworkers, I'm a lot more polite and less likely to use slang. It's just the way the world works. Even among my white peers, my idiolect changes from person to person!

But to be called a sellout and be be made an outcast for interacting differently to identify with and understand other cultures? That's terrible. Shame shame.
 

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I'm black also, and I really dont know what people mean by, "acting black" anyway. Is it listening to 50 Cent? Is it listening to Rap? I dont know.

I also hate when my friend keeps making references to fried chicken.

Freaking honkey kong
It's funny...I love all of those things. But I'm pretty white. (I'm a quarter Mexican but you can't tell)
 

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I'm black also, and I really dont know what people mean by, "acting black" anyway. Is it listening to 50 Cent? Is it listening to Rap? I dont know.

I also hate when my friend keeps making references to fried chicken.

Freaking honkey kong
Basically, acting "black" is just tryin to use ghetto black people terminology. coughcoughebonicscoughcough.

And yeah, it's true that we love us some chicken, but I can't stand it when people point that out. I know where your comin from Volrec.

African American + Hispanic + Native American= Shadenexus18
 

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And this really is someone I know, geeeeeeeeez. She had the most recent post on my Facebook wall, if you still doubt me.
After conducting a rigorous, fact-checking investigation I believe he may be speaking the truth!

I'm sure I change my mannerisms slightly around different friends, but I have not consciously noticed it...then again, I've never really looked for it before...
 

Xsyven

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I'm in an advanced college acting class-- it's basically human analysis and psychology, though.

Anyway, everyone acts different around certain groups of people. They're called your 'Mes'.

When you're hanging out with your parents, you're usually acting a bit different than you do around your friends. You usually act different around a group of guys than you do around a group of girls.

There's tons of Mes. There's the school me, the work me, the personal me, the party me, the parents me, the grandparents me, the girls me ... and it can go on forever.

When two of your 'Mes' collide, say your parents bump into you and your friends at the movies, two personalities try to come out at once, thus causing stress.

Some are a lot more drastic than others. For example, your black friends. The only reason they're embarrased afterwards is because two of their personalities collided. It's real life drama.
 

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I have a black friend!
That's more than I can say. Every time I think I've made a black friend, it turns out that they're "actually brown". And to think I trusted them! The shame!

I actually do have one black friend though I guess.

"Could he even name a black inventor." He couldn't even name a black inventor? That just smacks of ignorance. Not even one out of the four?

All this "not a real black person" stuff is so No True Scotsman it's funny. I wonder if Barack Obama were to become President, America still would be waiting for its first black President.
 

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I'm not from America [a bit obvious since I have my location under my avatar] but for what it's worth, it's not the race or gender of the President that maters to me, it's what they plan to do to change the country.

I'm too lazy to elaborate.
 

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There IS a black stereotype-- and that's undeniable.

There was this big, gay, (yes, actually gay) fat, black guy in my choir class back in high school. He was adopted when he was a baby by a white family-- so he's just like your average Southern Utah hick.

Anyway, whenever the choir would sing a black gospel or spiritual song, he'd always preach to the class how you just have to 'feel it'. Everyone hated him because he had no black culture within him whatsoever.

He's a coconut. Black on the outside, but by culture, he's white.
 

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There IS a black stereotype-- and that's undeniable.

There was this big, gay, (yes, actually gay) fat, black guy in my choir class back in high school. He was adopted when he was a baby by a white family-- so he's just like your average Southern Utah hick.

Anyway, whenever the choir would sing a black gospel or spiritual song, he'd always preach to the class how you just have to 'feel it'. Everyone hated him because he had no black culture within him whatsoever.

He's a coconut. Black on the outside, but by culture, he's white.
That's a new one. I havent heard something like that since oreo.

I also hate black people that say "dude". I hate the word itself, but when people of my culture say it, it just annoys the living **** out of me, for no reason.
 

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I finally read this, and found the situation she described absolutely rediculous. Acting black?

I suppose Martin Luther King Jr. didn't "act black enough" because he pronunciated his words.

'I be havin' a dream, that all my n****** are...'
 
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