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[PMS | Tink-er]

I've never done taxes before, but apparently I'm supposed to now? Idk how though. Plz help. Also I might have some sort of tax credit for being in college earlier in the year? Maybe? Idk I'm so lost.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Good for you man, I'm really glad it could possibly work out

question about the living situation tho, does the job help with it at all?

Don't think I was there if it was ever said in this thread
I skip pages a lot when I wake up

Actually, not really. Regardless of whether I have a job or not, I need to have a place to stay by March 31st. All having a job does is give me a source of income so that maybe I can pay my way into one myself, but I'm not having high hopes on being able to get anywhere that way in only a little more than a month. >>'

Doesn't mean I'm gonna just give up, though. After all, I also need new casual clothes and my own food and many other things. Even some other things I want for myself, and to get any of those:

But yeah, I'm still boned. Just potentially slightly less boned. I just hope this interview goes well.

I've never done taxes before, but apparently I'm supposed to now? Idk how though. Plz help. Also I might have some sort of tax credit for being in college earlier in the year? Maybe? Idk I'm so lost.

Good lord, do I feel your pain on that. I've been being hounded on to prepare for that and I have literally no clue what to do for any of it. x_x

I know this may sound pathetic, but goddamn do I hate being an adult now. ¦D;

 

[PlateProp]

Comboed aerial wiz foot into grounded wiz foot

I am based ganon genius

 

[Leafeon]

I know this may sound pathetic, but goddamn do I hate being an adult now. ¦D;

I was under the impression that is the first rule of being an adult.

Anyways that absolutely reeks, didn't @Bleck offer you a place to stay until you can get on your feet though? I would take him up on his offer in an instant, tbh, if it's the level of screwage you're making it out to be anyways.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

If you weren't strongbad I would call BS on throwing out numbers
But what are the value of the numbers here

This is actually a very legit point.
There should be one standardized way to translate matchup percentages. Right now it always could be interpreted as:
- Win probability for players of the same strength at a high level
- What percentage of reads the other character needs out of all mindgame situations to win the game at top level with players of equal strength
- How much better one player needs to be to have a 50% chance of winning (a pretty bad interpretation imo)
and there could be many more possibilities.

I therefore criticize the use of meaningless numbers in matchup percentages. If there is no concrete means to them, using words instead might actually be more precise because they are multi-dimensional, although a word always has an uncertainty.
For example a description such as "major disadvantage, but as stronger player you can easily win" says more than a "25-75" because a 25-75 could also mean that the matchup is very easy to play for the side with an advantage. It would be the best solution to use multiple mathematical variables to describe the situation but I just don't think it will establish.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

For those that need to do your taxes:

You have your W2(s)? Go to turbotax.com. It will literally walk you through the **** for a token amount of change. It's as easy as reading the little piece of paper(s) that you got and filling in the blanks.

If you don't have your W2s, call around to any and all places that you've worked in the past year. They're required to send that stuff to you regardless of whether you were fired or what.

Smooth Criminal

 

[GrosMinou]

@ Kaye Cruiser Where do you live?

 

[Binary Clone]

This is actually a very legit point.
There should be one standardized way to translate matchup percentages. Right now it always could be interpreted as:
- Win probability for players of the same strength at a high level
- What percentage of reads the other character needs out of all mindgame situations to win the game at top level with players of equal strength
- How much better one player needs to be to have a 50% chance of winning (a pretty bad interpretation imo)
and there could be many more possibilities.

I therefore criticize the use of meaningless numbers in matchup percentages. If there is no concrete means to them, using words instead might actually be more precise because they are multi-dimensional, although a word always has an uncertainty.
For example a description such as "major disadvantage, but as stronger player you can easily win" says more than a "25-75" because a 25-75 could also mean that the matchup is very easy to play for the side with an advantage. It would be the best solution to use multiple mathematical variables to describe the situation but I just don't think it will establish.

Pretty sure MU percents have always represented win percent of two theoretical equal-skill high level players.

 

[Leafeon]

This is actually a very legit point.
There should be one standardized way to translate matchup percentages. Right now it always could be interpreted as:
- Win probability for players of the same strength at a high level
- What percentage of reads the other character needs out of all mindgame situations to win the game at top level with players of equal strength
- How much better one player needs to be to have a 50% chance of winning (a pretty bad interpretation imo)
and there could be many more possibilities.

I therefore criticize the use of meaningless numbers in matchup percentages. If there is no concrete means to them, using words instead might actually be more precise because they are multi-dimensional, although a word always has an uncertainty.
For example a description such as "major disadvantage, but as stronger player you can easily win" says more than a "25-75" because a 25-75 could also mean that the matchup is very easy to play for the side with an advantage. It would be the best solution to use multiple mathematical variables to describe the situation but I just don't think it will establish.

I think most people are under the impression that if there's any one move that makes it easier for the user of said move to play against another character, that one move is worth 5% of a matchup scaling, which isn't entirely correct but at least that's what I think people go by. At least, nobody ever uses increments of like 51-49 or something like that because they feel like the advantage isn't real when it's something tiny.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I was under the impression that is the first rule of being an adult.

Anyways that absolutely reeks, didn't @Bleck offer you a place to stay until you can get on your feet though? I would take him up on his offer in an instant, tbh, if it's the level of screwage you're making it out to be anyways.

He did and I'm keeping it in consideration, but I'm also busy trying to set up other options as well so I have plenty to fall back on. Particularly if they're areas that are far easier for me to feasibly get to than Canada.

That, and I have two broken teeth that still need to be fixed and a new pair of glasses to get before I go anywhere. That's been promised to be taken care of before anything.

@ Kaye Cruiser Where do you live?

Fredericksburg, VA. Spotsylvania County to be exact.

 

[CORY]

Pretty sure MU percents have always represented win percent of two theoretical equal-skill high level players.

yep. they basically say "if these two guys went at it for 100 matches, as is right now, what would the score be in the end?"

so, if you're at about 40-60, that's in the "you'll lose more than you win, but it's not a terrible counterpick" range. 65-35 is probably where counterpicks start to hurt a lot. 70-30 is def counterpick area, gg.

 

[Nixie]

Fredericksburg, VA. Spotsylvania County to be exact.

wow, that is surprisingly exact

 

[Leafeon]

He did and I'm keeping it in consideration, but I'm also busy trying to set up other options as well so I have plenty to fall back on. Particularly if they're areas that are far easier for me to feasibly get to than Canada.

That, and I have two broken teeth that still need to be fixed and a new pair of glasses to get before I go anywhere. That's been promised to be taken care of before anything.



Fredericksburg, VA. Spotsylvania County to be exact.

I would offer you a place if I had one, since VA isn't too far off from me, but unfortunately I don't have one...
My prayers out to you, if you believe in that sort of thing.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

Pretty sure MU percents have always represented win percent of two theoretical equal-skill high level players.

If it was that way, people wouldn't be so resilient about giving matchups sth. like 95-5, 90-10 or even 100-0. Because the "counter-argument" to such a rating could be similar to "But character 2 also hats lots of stuff going for him, character 1 only needs a few small mistakes", which is by this definition not valid.
I think it is a good definition but I don't think the matchup percentages given in most cases nearly look like they were created with that definition in mind.

 

[GHNeko]

Everytime someone writes P:M, @ Strong Badam cries a single tear, and Fox shinespikes a kitten.

 

[Leafeon]

If it was that way, people wouldn't be so resilient about giving matchups sth. like 95-5, 90-10 or even 100-0. Because the "counter-argument" to such a rating could be similar to "But character 2 also hats lots of stuff going for him, character 1 only needs a few small mistakes", which is by this definition not valid.
I think it is a good definition but I don't think the matchup percentages given in most cases nearly look like they were created with that definition in mind.

I wouldn't necessarily say that the issue is with the players, but whacky stuff does happen sometimes in this game

So like, missing a read is a mistake, but it does not necessarily mean that you are a worse player because you went for the read at all, at least I think. A read is just a guess, whether educated or not.

If an Ike gets a rando fsmash against someone who usually would win against him, wrong choices were made on someone's part to make it happen of course, which sways a particular match's favor since that pretty much is a stock at 30% lol

So operating under the stance that whacky crap can happen within any match, I think that ever saying 100-0 would be wrong lol.

Everytime someone writes P:M, @ Strong Badam cries a single tear, and Fox shinespikes a kitten.

is P:M wrong or something

 

[Lizalfos]

Everytime someone writes P:M, @ Strong Badam cries a single tear, and Fox shinespikes a kitten.

BUT WHY???

IT IS (LE)TERALLY BRAWL BALANCED IN A MELEE GAMEPLAY SYSTEM.

 

[Shadic]

For those that need to do your taxes:

You have your W2(s)? Go to turbotax.com. It will literally walk you through the **** for a token amount of change. It's as easy as reading the little piece of paper(s) that you got and filling in the blanks.

If you don't have your W2s, call around to any and all places that you've worked in the past year. They're required to send that stuff to you regardless of whether you were fired or what.

Smooth Criminal

Basic TurboTax is free, actually.

I already got my tax return for this year. I'm $1200 richer.

 

[GrosMinou]

Fredericksburg, VA. Spotsylvania County to be exact.

Oh, I would have offer you a place to stay, but its kinda far from my place. Good luck mah dude.

 

[Binary Clone]

Guys stop talking about adult things it scares me

 

[Deleted member]

I actually took a class last semester where I learned how to do taxes, bank conciliations, etc. and I'm really considering just doing taxes myself soon.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

I would offer you a place if I had one, since VA isn't too far off from me, but unfortunately I don't have one...
My prayers out to you, if you believe in that sort of thing.

Hey, don't sweat it. I appreciate the sentiment all the same. Thanks, dude.

Oh, I would have offer you a place to stay, but its kinda far from my place. Good luck mah dude.

You're talking to someone considering going to either Texas or Canada. I can find a way to get around the country. XD

In all seriousness though, where are you exactly?

I actually took a class last semester where I learned how to do taxes, bank conciliations, etc. and I'm really considering just doing taxes myself four years from now.

Your avatar seems strangely familiar to me... -~-

 

[GrosMinou]

Im in Quebec, Canada. about an hour away from Montreal.

 

[Chesstiger2612]

I wouldn't necessarily say that the issue is with the players, but whacky stuff does happen sometimes in this game

So like, missing a read is a mistake, but it does not necessarily mean that you are a worse player because you went for the read at all, at least I think. A read is just a guess, whether educated or not.

If an Ike gets a rando fsmash against someone who usually would win against him, wrong choices were made on someone's part to make it happen of course, which sways a particular match's favor since that pretty much is a stock at 30% lol

So operating under the stance that whacky crap can happen within any match, I think that ever saying 100-0 would be wrong lol.

No it wouldn't be. A character who is better so much that he can just avoid getting beat by a player of the same calibre (like Sheik v Bowser in Melee). Actually, since most matchups percentages are given in steps of 5%, any matchup that is 97.5-2.5 or more extreme could be rounded to 100-0. And that is not an uncommon scenario, by the way that probability works. Let's say there are about 5 critical mindgame situations per stock (it may be more but that makes it only worse), and a character needs to win 3/4 of those to win the game (not uncommon). Let's assume for the model each of those are 50-50s (isn't really true but it models pretty well because advantageous mindgame situations like techchases happen on both sides). His win probability would be around 2%, so the matchup could be seen as a 0-100 by common rounding.

Here you should see how this is different from the matchup percentages that people normally name. If the player of the character in the unfavourable matchup would have been a little better he might only need 50% of the reads because he has a better punish game, better recovery and better edgeguarding, and every read is a 60-40 because he is better at mindgames. Now he would win not only 2%, but more than half of the games.

The average theorycrafter seems to take an intuitive arithmetic means of these impressions in his head and comes up with the over-centristic values which do not fit the definition any more.

 

[Leafeon]

Smashboards higher-ups, what do I do if I want a name that belongs to an account that, when you search through tags with @ and on the members list, you don't see anyone under the name, but when you try to take the name or go to the page of the person who would have that name get an error?

Oh and why does that happen also

No it wouldn't be. A character who is better so much that he can just avoid getting beat by a player of the same calibre (like Sheik v Bowser in Melee). Actually, since most matchups percentages are given in steps of 5%, any matchup that is 97.5-2.5 or more extreme could be rounded to 100-0. And that is not an uncommon scenario, by the way that probability works. Let's say there are about 5 critical mindgame situations per stock (it may be more but that makes it only worse), and a character needs to win 3/4 of those to win the game (not uncommon). Let's assume for the model each of those are 50-50s (isn't really true but it models pretty well because advantageous mindgame situations like techchases happen on both sides). His win probability would be around 2%, so the matchup could be seen as a 0-100 by common rounding.

Here you should see how this is different from the matchup percentages that people normally name. If the player of the character in the unfavourable matchup would have been a little better he might only need 50% of the reads because he has a better punish game, better recovery and better edgeguarding, and every read is a 60-40 because he is better at mindgames. Now he would win not only 2%, but more than half of the games.

The average theorycrafter seems to take an intuitive arithmetic means of these impressions in his head and comes up with the over-centristic values which do not fit the definition any more.

which is why I think it is faulty in itself to measure matchups by increments of 5% as seen in a post like 20 minutes ago

but I see what you're saying, since that's what people do.

 

[Shadic]

Guys stop talking about adult things it scares me

Here's me biting the tape working on the house that I bought a little over a month ago.

Adult stuff, yo.

 

[Binary Clone]

Here's me biting the tape working on the house that I bought a little over a month ago.

Adult stuff, yo.

You're giving me flashbacks of painting my new apartment in the fall stahp

But really though that's awesome

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Im in Quebec, Canada. about an hour away from Montreal.

Good lord, another Canadian! D:

You people really want me to freeze, huh? ¦D

Here's me biting the tape working on the house that I bought a little over a month ago.

Adult stuff, yo.

How's that blueberry tape tasting, Shady?

 

[Lizalfos]

How do you win the ROB matchup if you don't have a projectile?

 

[GrosMinou]

How do you win the ROB matchup if you don't have a projectile?

you cry really loud in front of your opponent until he lets you win.

 

[PlateProp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cvP8fPOPWE

Plastic neesan is pms in anime form

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

How do you win the ROB matchup if you don't have a projectile?

You fight a ROB that isn't JCaesar.

And that's about all I can think of.

 

[Shadic]

You're giving me flashbacks of painting my new apartment in the fall stahp

But really though that's awesome

Thanks. <3 Surprised your apartment was cool with you painting, most of the ones I've been in are kinda controlling about that stuff.

How's that blueberry tape tasting, Shady?

A bit like glue, oddly enough.

 

[Binary Clone]

Thanks. <3 Surprised your apartment was cool with you painting, most of the ones I've been in are kinda controlling about that stuff.

Well I actually know the owners of the space personally, so I'm fortunate enough to have that kind of leeway. Plus, I wasn't really doing anything that changed the space much, really just repainting with a similar color to cover up the cracks and chips and stuff like that.

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Well today just gets better and better!

An old friend of mine got in touch with me and he wants me to come stay with him over in Denton, Texas since he has an open room and already has a couple jobs I could get into easily there, one being where he works at now. Plus, he just happens to live close enough to where a very close lady friend of mine is, so I can potentially finally see her as well. I also apparently have a lot of family in Texas.

Now I just gotta see if I can make this smooth and easy by getting my parents to work with me on helping me to get over there. If not or they try to hold me back, looks like I'll have to just do it the old fashioned and hard way.

Either way, today just rocks.

 

[Saito]

Well today just gets better and better!

An old friend of mine got in touch with me and he wants me to come stay with him over in Denton, Texas since he has an open room and already has a couple jobs I could get into easily there, one being where he works at now. Plus, he just happens to live close enough to where a very close lady friend of mine is, so I can potentially finally see her as well. I also apparently have a lot of family in Texas.

Now I just gotta see if I can make this smooth and easy by getting my parents to work with me on helping me to get over there. If not or they try to hold me back, looks like I'll have to just do it the old fashioned and hard way.

Either way, today just rocks.

kick start it.

 

[PlateProp]

Well today just gets better and better!

An old friend of mine got in touch with me and he wants me to come stay with him over in Denton, Texas since he has an open room and already has a couple jobs I could get into easily there, one being where he works at now. Plus, he just happens to live close enough to where a very close lady friend of mine is, so I can potentially finally see her as well. I also apparently have a lot of family in Texas.

Now I just gotta see if I can make this smooth and easy by getting my parents to work with me on helping me to get over there. If not or they try to hold me back, looks like I'll have to just do it the old fashioned and hard way.

Either way, today just rocks.

Now you have no excuse to not go to Aftershock

 

[Strong Badam]

every1 go to aftershock!!

 

[Leafeon]

every1 go to aftershock!!

too far.

Well today just gets better and better!

An old friend of mine got in touch with me and he wants me to come stay with him over in Denton, Texas since he has an open room and already has a couple jobs I could get into easily there, one being where he works at now. Plus, he just happens to live close enough to where a very close lady friend of mine is, so I can potentially finally see her as well. I also apparently have a lot of family in Texas.

Now I just gotta see if I can make this smooth and easy by getting my parents to work with me on helping me to get over there. If not or they try to hold me back, looks like I'll have to just do it the old fashioned and hard way.

Either way, today just rocks.

is that close enough to start going to tloc weeklies

 

[Kaye Cruiser]

Now you have no excuse to not go to Aftershock

Is that an event or tourney? Cause I have no idea. XD

Welp, off to my interview. Wish me luck, folks.

is that close enough to start going to tloc weeklies

I dunno, you tell me. I used to walk across 3 cities to kill time during the day when I lived in Maine for a year in Middle School, so if there's a feasible way for me to get there, then probably. ¦D