Project M 3.5 Character Buffs Thread Day 1: Falcon

[leekslap]

In 3.0, some characters, like Luigi and Jigglypuff, seemed relatively weak, unchanged and in need of some buffs. So here's the buffs I want to see in 3.5.

Captain Falcon
- fire streamlines leg at maybe arms causes lasting hitboxes and looks very cooler
- faster side special maybe with less lag all around

Bowser
- more control on neutral special flame breath
- less startup lag on down special

Charizard
- more neutral special flamethrower control
- more air mobility

Donkey Kong
- jump cancel down special

Game and Watch
- faster bacon
- Oil Panic for recovering

Ganondorf
- new energy ball neutral special( works like Megaman's neutral special )
- faster less laggy side special
- longer grab and better grab game
- a fast move to keep up with fast characters

Ice Climbers
-his old op techs?

Jigglypuff
- less rest ending lag

Luigi
- waveland fireball
- faster green missile with less ending lag
- better or new dash attack
- better down tilt?

Olimar
- priority hover whistle for recovery
- more priority on pikmin attacks
- now followed by 5 pikmin
- light antennae changes color to show current pikmin
- more pikmin launch resistance( pikmin get sent sky high and hou have to wait too much )
- can whistle back f smashed pikmin that were too close to the edge and fell

Peach
- improved side special?

Pikachu
- give him his best traits from other games( 64 jab, melee up throw, etc. )
- improved skull bash

R.O.B.
- better dair and bair

Sheik
- tether side special
- melee down throw

Squirtle
- run cancel water gun
- longer bubble range?

Toon Link
- a juggling playstyle instead of aggro
- longer but weaker up special that sucks in opponents
- grounded fire arrow has knockback
- faster boomerang

Yoshi
- smash 4 fox up smash
- restored melee tools
- tether z air tongue

What buffs do you want to see?

 

[turtletank]

Post character suggestions in the tier list speculation thread rather than making a new one. I'd recommend you add some reasoning to each proposed change, however brief, or they won't be taken as seriously no matter how good the suggestion is.

 

[CORY]

Ganondorf
- Flame Choke goes through shields

wat? it's a grab, bro. that's what grabs do.

 

[Deleted member]

**** diddy

that is my requested buff

 

[Sour Supreme]

wat? it's a grab, bro. that's what grabs do.

This. Lol. Yeah it's called a command grab.

 

[leekslap]

Post character suggestions in the tier list speculation thread rather than making a new one. I'd recommend you add some reasoning to each proposed change, however brief, or they won't be taken as seriously no matter how good the suggestion is.

I thought it was kind of obvious but will do.

wat? it's a grab, bro. that's what grabs do.

I never realized it went through shields lol! I derped.

 

[victinivcreate1]

@ leekslap
A lot of your chances don't seem warranted, or even make sense for that matter. For example DK getting more disjoints. He's an ape. He doesn't have a sword, energy based weapon, or magic. Also why would Hand Slap be able to be jump cancelled? Lol.

Also, Squirtle is one of the most detested characters in PM. Why? He already has enough armor. Why give him more? Also, Squirtle is considered high tier too.

Also you don't seem to understand, Bowser will always be comboed easily. He is fat. Fat characters take more of the screen. Its easier to hit them.

 

[leekslap]

@ leekslap
A lot of your chances don't seem warranted, or even make sense for that matter. For example DK getting more disjoints. He's an ape. He doesn't have a sword, energy based weapon, or magic. Also why would Hand Slap be able to be jump cancelled? Lol.

Also, Squirtle is one of the most detested characters in PM. Why? He already has enough armor. Why give him more? Also, Squirtle is considered high tier too.

Also you don't seem to understand, Bowser will always be comboed easily. He is fat. Fat characters take more of the screen. Its easier to hit them.

DK getting disjoints was weird I'll give you that but if you used DK, jump cancel down specialis a godsend.

I guess you're right about Bowser too, but I never ever even considered Squirtle to be mid tier! Where are you coming from with this! Most Squirtles barely get out of pools! He's so fragile with very little range apart from bubble and can't kill easily. I don't use Squirtle but I tried him and did not like him. I didn't know what to buff so if you could enlighten me on both why he's "one of the most detested characters in PM" and "Squirtle is considered high tier" and what to buff.

 

[leekslap]

You people don't undersrand that right now my wish list is a rough draft. Why not post your own instead of criticizing mine?

 

[Xermo]

Because this thread doesn't need to exist on it's own, that's why.

 

[victinivcreate1]

DK getting disjoints was weird I'll give you that but if you used DK, jump cancel down specialis a godsend.

I guess you're right about Bowser too, but I never ever even considered Squirtle to be mid tier! Where are you coming from with this! Most Squirtles barely get out of pools! He's so fragile with very little range apart from bubble and can't kill easily. I don't use Squirtle but I tried him and did not like him. I didn't know what to buff so if you could enlighten me on both why he's "one of the most detested characters in PM" and "Squirtle is considered high tier" and what to buff.

Because all of the Squirtle mains aren't good. They're all pool level players. None of them stand out.

 

[Mr.Pickle]

You posted this list of changes by itself, without a clear purpose other than to voice your own opinions, so you shouldn't be surprised by the result. You should have specified it specifically, if you wanted people to post buffs that would be, in their opinion, needed in 3.5, with a structure similar to yours.

 

[TreK]

The biggest wish on my wish list that's been there since 2.6b is that Ice Climbers get redesigned from the ground up around the principle of a desynch button. As long as you'd press it, Nana would go to follow mode. Simple as that. It would make desynchs go from being exploits and glitches, to an intended mechanic.

But I'd also like Luigi to get a bit of love, as a Brawl Luigi player myself. Brawl's Luigi only needed a wavedash to be good. PM's Luigi needs a bit of Brawl Luigi's awesomeness imo. Jab upBs, cyclone star kos and stuff.

 

[Rᴏb]

I would like G&W's bacon to have a set trajectory for at least the first two flips just so SHDB is more consistent. Chef is a great move, but I can't appreciate it's randomness.

 

[Phaiyte]

The biggest wish on my wish list that's been there since 2.6b is that Ice Climbers get redesigned from the ground up around the principle of a desynch button. As long as you'd press it, Nana would go to follow mode. Simple as that. It would make desynchs go from being exploits and glitches, to an intended mechanic.

But I'd also like Luigi to get a bit of love, as a Brawl Luigi player myself. Brawl's Luigi only needed a wavedash to be good. PM's Luigi needs a bit of Brawl Luigi's awesomeness imo. Jab upBs, cyclone star kos and stuff.

I suggested the desync button on ice climbers but everyone kinda ignored it. Luigi jab > upB still works if they DI the jab wrong.

 

[leekslap]

Post character suggestions in the tier list speculation thread rather than making a new one. I'd recommend you add some reasoning to each proposed change, however brief, or they won't be taken as seriously no matter how good the suggestion is.

Alright, I'm gonna go through my reasons for each character buffs once a day to cause discussion on buffing that character.

Day 1: Captain Falcon

My very first suggestion was fire streamlining certain attacks, causing lasting hitboxes to better space and maybe protect against projectiles. Up air would be the bread and butter of this buff and chaining them together has never been easier. Another reason why this buff works so well is because of his falling speed. You can quickly go from protecting yourself to approaching and comboing and it actually gives him a neutral game!

My other suggestion was improving on his side special. I always thought it could be a great setup for combos, chains, juggles and even... THE KNEE if given the proper buffs. Speeding it up and optimizing lag may not be enough but I know the PMBR will do it justice.

That it's for today but leave your suggestions about the ol' Cap'n down below and wait for tommorrow when I go over Bowser.

 

[Shadic]

We don't do wish-lists for character buff threads, sorry.