Project F[allacy]

[Bazkip]

I've seen this mentioned a lot. but where in the game is that said?

Brawl manual uses gender neutral pronouns...

As far as I can tell it's simply something the PMBR decided on, since Ivysaur has no differences between genders.
Whenever they refer to her, they use female pronouns, such as on the character page, or in patch notes.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

As far as I can tell it's simply something the PMBR decided on, since Ivysaur has no differences between genders.
Whenever they refer to her, they use female pronouns, such as on the character page, or in patch notes.

When a Venosaur's pistils protrude out of the flower, that indicates that it's a female. Brawl somewhat integrated that biologically onto Ivysaur's model by hiding a pistil in its bulb. Also, while internationally the Pokémon have no gender, the Japanese version of Brawl still gives Ivysaur a female voice.

So basically the PMBR sort of went with that and made all the Pokémon except Jiggs and Ivy male. Mewtwo's genderless but we sorta call Mewtwo a "he" nonetheless.

 

[Narpas_sword]

yea, but they call sheik 'she' too =p

if i put on a wonderwoman outfit, it doesnt make wonderwoman a man. right?

 

[Bazkip]

When a Venosaur's pistils protrude out of the flower, that indicates that it's a female. Brawl somewhat integrated that biologically onto Ivysaur's model by hiding a pistil in its bulb. Also, while internationally the Pokémon have no gender, the Japanese version of Brawl still gives Ivysaur a female voice.

So basically the PMBR sort of went with that and made all the Pokémon except Jiggs and Ivy male. Mewtwo's genderless but we sorta call Mewtwo a "he" nonetheless.

I know about Venosaur's difference between genders, but had no idea that was included in the model.
That makes a lot more sense, cheers for the info.

yea, but they call sheik 'she' too =p

if i put on a wonderwoman outfit, it doesnt make wonderwoman a man. right?

wat
People still think this?

 

[Narpas_sword]

wat
People still think this?

more like
'wat, people still think posts ending with a '=p' are to be taken seriously.

 

[Kerenthar]

Appeal to Top Tier
Maintaining that a character shouldn't be nerfed because of another character entirely.
Why are we nerfing Ivysaur when Fox and Falco still exist?

The Band-aid Fallacy
Suggesting that, because a character is weak in an area, they should be given something there.
"Dedede has a lot of trouble with projectile spam. He should get a buffed Waddle Dee Toss so he can deal with it."

This two argues could be treated as fallacies but they had something true behind of it: Melee top tiers are still top tiers in Project M and individual weaknesses are too resistant to change (lot of testing, I guess)
Obviously, they are not arguments itselves but depends on context.

(Sorry for my english. Actually practicing...)

 

[Bazkip]

more like
'wat, people still think posts ending with a '=p' are to be taken seriously.

But your post doesn't end with =p
#wrecked

 

[Giygacoal]

This two argues could be treated as fallacies but they had something true behind of it: Melee top tiers are still top tiers in Project M

Yes, but only two of them: Fox and Falco. Sheik is a "maybe" (significantly better along with Zelda) and nobody seems to think Jigglypuff is still top.

 

[Narpas_sword]

But your post doesn't end with =p
#wrecked

the sentences were posted in starwars trilogy order.

 

[Bazkip]

the sentences were posted in starwars trilogy order.

Half of your post sucks
Anywho we should probably stop derailing

 

[Phaiyte]

How is Fox and Falco 'top tier' when they can't even get 1st in 1 tournament despite the absolutely rabid popularity? At this moment in time it seems like Wolf has a better chance of winning than either of the other two, especially if Chillin overcomes any plateaus soon. Why not "cry Wolf" instead? Oh yeah, everyone already does that

People don't talk about Puff or how good/not she is because they don't even play Puff, so most people literally have no idea what they're talking about. The same can be said for Peach, even though she is a more popular pick. I think I've seen a whole 3 Peach players on stream, but they all placed low because it was obvious they were pretty new. But like, that isn't going to make me rampage these forums telling everyone that Peach sux, yaknow?

 

[shapular]

How is Fox and Falco 'top tier' when they can't even get 1st in 1 tournament despite the absolutely rabid popularity? At this moment in time it seems like Wolf has a better chance of winning than either of the other two, especially if Chillin overcomes any plateaus soon. Why not "cry Wolf" instead? Oh yeah, everyone already does that

People don't talk about Puff or how good/not she is because they don't even play Puff, so most people literally have no idea what they're talking about. The same can be said for Peach, even though she is a more popular pick. I think I've seen a whole 3 Peach players on stream, but they all placed low because it was obvious they were pretty new. But like, that isn't going to make me rampage these forums telling everyone that Peach sux, yaknow?

There's been one whole major PM tournament so far. Does that mean Pit is the only top tier character in PM?

 

[Narpas_sword]

Half of your post sucks
Anywho we should probably stop derailing

You're right there =(

When i watched all 6 star wars movies for May 4th, I watched 4, 5, 6 then the digital enhanced 4, 5, 6 =p

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

You should probably add this

buffing endlessly leads to giant problems if you don't consider nerfs.

 

[SpiderMad]

What about a weakness slink?

 

[Mono.]

"Fox and Falco are the best characters in the game because Melee says so."

 

[W¡ndy]

I like this thread overall, but "because Melee" is the stated reason for many of PM's changes. Like, "Why is crouch cancelling so good?" "That's exactly how it was in Melee." "Why can't I grab the ledge while facing away from it?" "Because Melee." "Why can characters grab people behind them?" "Because Melee." "Why was Falco re-cloned and why have neither him nor Fox gotten any significant nerfs from Melee?" "Because Melee."

But, that doesn't make it not a fallacy?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

But, that doesn't make it not a fallacy?

Some elements of project M do fall under the traditionalism fallacy. Project M is Melee like but it doesn't mean just because of that, bringing something over was necessarily a good idea from a game design standpoint.

 

[shairn]

wat
People still think this?

Sheik is my husbando and no one can convince me otherwise

That bod tho

 

[EpicFlyingTaco]

This thread is amazing , and very true. There's a lot of complaining that goes along with PM, we've all done our share of it. I've sure done my share of it, but when we complain we have to complain about legitimate things.

 

[Lizalfos]

My hope for P:M is that decisions are made based on what the backroom thinks is right, and not what is in popular demand. However, Melee tethers better get in. Not because Melee, but because batman.