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Problems with Meta Knight
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Cecilanius
Smash Journeyman
Whenever I face a MK I try to be as defensive and evasive as I possibly can. Just practice moving Snake around stages and practice the different dodges. What you can do is face a level 9 CPU and just try dodging all of its attacks. Air dodging, side-step dodging, jumping basically. Get used to pulling out a grenade for much of the fight. The person who plays MK knows that they die much more easily than Snake does. So they will most likely back off after you shield drop grenades. If the MK doesn't stop its barrage; get your Utilt ready and own him. 
You will notice that the MK will grab often because of Snake's weight and speed. Just get used to pressing jump and shield or jump and Z to do an instant air dodge. It will dodge most of MK's attacks while giving you some space to pull out some more grenades.
Oh yeah also, when you are in the air, use your air dodge frequently. You never know if the MK is going to use Up+B or just continually use Fair. Air dodge frequently and fast fall. Sometimes, a Bair can hit right through MK's aerials. If you don't think the MK is going to use UP+B, use a bair.
You will notice that the MK will grab often because of Snake's weight and speed. Just get used to pressing jump and shield or jump and Z to do an instant air dodge. It will dodge most of MK's attacks while giving you some space to pull out some more grenades.
Oh yeah also, when you are in the air, use your air dodge frequently. You never know if the MK is going to use Up+B or just continually use Fair. Air dodge frequently and fast fall. Sometimes, a Bair can hit right through MK's aerials. If you don't think the MK is going to use UP+B, use a bair.
Cecilanius
Smash Journeyman
No problem! What I would do is shield drop a grenade, roll away, and do an instant air dodge just to be sure he won't hit me with any aerial or get me with a grab. But, air dodge towards the grenade so you can pick it up if there is enough time. Or, sometimes, they just run into it trying to chase you 
If he is far away, shield drop a grenade twice. (Shield drop grenade, roll, shield drop grenade roll) Which can give a lot of space to do what you would like. Charging, Nikita, set up a mine...whatever! If you charge he might come after you which could lead him to being hit by at least one of the grenades. But, it will hurt you as well. Just be ready to hurt yourself a lot during the matches.
If he is far away, shield drop a grenade twice. (Shield drop grenade, roll, shield drop grenade roll) Which can give a lot of space to do what you would like. Charging, Nikita, set up a mine...whatever! If you charge he might come after you which could lead him to being hit by at least one of the grenades. But, it will hurt you as well. Just be ready to hurt yourself a lot during the matches.
Esca
Smash Champion
snake mains are so dumb.
No problem! What I would do is shield drop a grenade, roll away, and do an instant air dodge just to be sure he won't hit me with any aerial or get me with a grab. But, air dodge towards the grenade so you can pick it up if there is enough time. Or, sometimes, they just run into it trying to chase you
If he is far away, shield drop a grenade twice. (Shield drop grenade, roll, shield drop grenade roll) Which can give a lot of space to do what you would like. Charging, Nikita, set up a mine...whatever! If you charge he might come after you which could lead him to being hit by at least one of the grenades. But, it will hurt you as well. Just be ready to hurt yourself a lot during the matches.
Thanks a lot! I'll use the wisdom you have given me and own some Meta Knight users.
EscapingJail
Smash Rookie
Yeah, just don't let him shuttleloop cancel you off the map. And play defensive with grenades.
Cecilanius
Smash Journeyman
So is your mother.
I haven't found an efficient way to do this. Just get an Usmash ready near the edge. Or, you can shield drop a grenade and chuck it at the ground so it will fly up and explode when the MK gets near.
Well...usually MK's will UP+B to get on the edge...I guess you can run back to about a quarter of a stage and get ready to side step dodge to dodge the slash MK can do after he uses his UP+B. After side step dodging, use your Ftilt's.Now excuse me while I get ready for a tornado that is about to hit us.
Don't edgeguard a MK. It's not worth the risk unless you're a stock ahead or something.
All it takes is MK to get you off the map using your cypher and you're most likely dead. I will Shuttleloop you over and over until you're in the side blastzones. I wait to see the cypher so I don't suicide - and if you air dodge as a mixup or something I'll head back to land and grab your cypher as you come up. etc etc
In other words, camp it up with nades, side and up tilts, and snake boosting. Snake does well against Meta Knight because of the weight difference. It's not that Snake all around beats out Meta Knight.
Play smart! Contact me on AIM "HolyForce" if you wanna practice sometime!
All it takes is MK to get you off the map using your cypher and you're most likely dead. I will Shuttleloop you over and over until you're in the side blastzones. I wait to see the cypher so I don't suicide - and if you air dodge as a mixup or something I'll head back to land and grab your cypher as you come up. etc etc
In other words, camp it up with nades, side and up tilts, and snake boosting. Snake does well against Meta Knight because of the weight difference. It's not that Snake all around beats out Meta Knight.
Play smart! Contact me on AIM "HolyForce" if you wanna practice sometime!
Cecilanius
Smash Journeyman
Wow! Thanks for that, HolyForce! I never knew a MK player would be so generous.
I would like to face you sometime! *notices that you live in Ohio*Also I know, at least in FD, Meta Knights will use the curved side on the stage to grab the edge.
They UpB to it. Well, you can plant C4 on that side. The hard part is getting it on there when MK is after you. I believe that if you can get it on there without them noticing, or knowing what you are doing, you can get in a pretty good stage spike.
They UpB to it. Well, you can plant C4 on that side. The hard part is getting it on there when MK is after you. I believe that if you can get it on there without them noticing, or knowing what you are doing, you can get in a pretty good stage spike.
I main Metaknight, but also so use snake, so I can contest that it's not an easy matchup. Once I played a snake player who camped Grenades the whole match, and it took me a while to realize what he was doing. Playing defensively, using grenades, utilts, and Ftilts will **** MK, as he has no good ways to approach snake except grabbing (SHFairs will be punished by Snakes outranging Ftilt), and even then, the grenade will likely explode behind you. Snakes bair is murder for MK's aerial game as well.
Snake has no trouble killing MK at 90 percent with his Utilt or ftilt. I've managed to do alright against mediocre snake players, but good snake players are guaranteed to ****. >_>
Snake has no trouble killing MK at 90 percent with his Utilt or ftilt. I've managed to do alright against mediocre snake players, but good snake players are guaranteed to ****. >_>
Sergetrigger
Smash Cadet
Well, one thing that helped me out, but it's purely situtational, is sticking a c4 on the bottom of the stage. As soon as I see MK right on the edge of the stage like
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Just set off the C4 and he'll get hit even though the c4 is on slated section. It's hard to explain...
http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=163159 That topic will probably explain it better than I can.
Sergetrigger, I know what you mean, but that will take an awful amount of time to setup, and it's harder to do at some stages. Still nice, they will never expect it, but taking all the trouble to set it up just to watch it going of on it's on and not hitting anybody(or worse, hitting you), can be a bit frustrating.
Quez256
Smash Journeyman
Don't bother trying, like it's been said above, play defensively. Abuse the hell out of grenades, and MK has little to no approach options. Every time I've chased a decent Snake, I've gotten a grenade to the face, even if it hasn't been dropped. And yeah, Snake's B-air, for some reason, will amazingly outprioritize his entire airgame....almost; N-air and D-air might be exceptions.
Seeing how Snake is cheap as hell and has a load of attacks that are more broken than the Sphinx's nose, simply Up-B. That's it. That cheap *** move protects you from almost all knockback, and if the camera is hit, the other person gets hit.
Unfortunatly, to recover, you must make sure that even if MK hits you and the camera(like that'll be possible with that cheap *** move and character) that the camera DOESNT hit him because then he can just Shuttle Loop or Drill right back on to the stage, both of those moves by the way pass right through a Nikata.
Did I mention Snake is a cheap-*** character?
Unfortunatly, to recover, you must make sure that even if MK hits you and the camera(like that'll be possible with that cheap *** move and character) that the camera DOESNT hit him because then he can just Shuttle Loop or Drill right back on to the stage, both of those moves by the way pass right through a Nikata.
Did I mention Snake is a cheap-*** character?
