Problems with being new to Melee

[Anton Koetzler-Faust]

Ok, I want to try and play Marth, I am new and learning. I went to play a level 9 falco, it always seems to grab me, get all the jabs on me and get all the hits. My point here is, how do I get better at the game, my timing etc.

 

[Oskurito]

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IACW5mltqY

Or... since you also seem to like falco, you could watch my videos (click on the link in my signature)

 

[Sketch]

Well for one according to the community you never wanna play against level 9's cause of di and even worse bad habits . Supposedly 3,5,7 are good for practicing try those and see which best suits you and your practicing .

 

[Oskurito]

If you want to play the CPU I suggets getting the 20XX training pack. Is basically a hacked melee .iso where the cpu DIs, techs in random directions (even with get up attack and tech in place or missed tech + roll) and it also jumps out or airdodge to get out of combos whenever it can. The bad side is that apart from all of that it's the same stupid melee AI, but at least is worth practicing combos on it.

 

[Anton Koetzler-Faust]

If you want to play the CPU I suggets getting the 20XX training pack. Is basically a hacked melee .iso where the cpu DIs, techs in random directions (even with get up attack and tech in place or missed tech + roll) and it also jumps out or airdodge to get out of combos whenever it can. The bad side is that apart from all of that it's the same stupid melee AI, but at least is worth practicing combos on it.

I installed the hack pack, so I have all the characters (Using Dios Mios) and btw what is a tech

 

[Anton Koetzler-Faust]

Well for one according to the community you never wanna play against level 9's cause of di and even worse bad habits . Supposedly 3,5,7 are good for practicing try those and see which best suits you and your practicing .

what do I do when I can 4 stock all the cpus? :D

 

[yttik]

practise basic tech skill, being able to manipulate and win against cpus will not mean you will be good against humans

oh and a tech is when you press a shoulder button before you hit a surface, allowing you to get up/roll instantly

 

[Sketch]

what do I do when I can 4 stock all the cpus? :D

Well it isnt more the stocks just put 99 or as little as you want and just practice your ledge guards and approachin wave dashing dash dancing chain grabbing etc etc . til you're consistent .

 

[Anton Koetzler-Faust]

Well it isnt more the stocks just put 99 or as little as you want and just practice your ledge guards and approachin wave dashing dash dancing chain grabbing etc etc . til you're consistent .

Does just playing without really thinking about anything that you need to improve on would be considered, "Practice"

 

[Jim Morrison]

Does just playing without really thinking about anything that you need to improve on would be considered, "Practice"

Against CPUs yes, because there's nothing to think about vs CPUs except tech skill. You can't look for their or your habits. You're just gonna have to play against people if you actually want to improve in something other than getting technical.

 

[Anton Koetzler-Faust]

Against CPUs yes, because there's nothing to think about vs CPUs except tech skill. You can't look for their or your habits. You're just gonna have to play against people if you actually want to improve in something other than getting technical.

Ok, Thanks :D

 

[Oskurito]

Does just playing without really thinking about anything that you need to improve on would be considered, "Practice"

In my experience, effective practice (the kind of practice that actually improves your techskill the fastest) is usually not fun. The results are very fun though. Also, it's a good idea to watch pro players matches, just to get an idea of what moves work best in certain situations, also you may be able to pick up some tech skill tricks.

If you want to get good at the game beyond that, you gotta play real people though.

 

[EPsilon933]

There is no replacement for playing against human players. Find some near you http://smashboards.com/threads/facebook-groups-links.325058/ It's really fun

 

[Oskurito]

There is no replacement for playing against human players. Find some near you http://smashboards.com/threads/facebook-groups-links.325058/ It's really fun

True, I wish my friends lived closer to me so I could play them more often. Playing with people all the time is just not possible for everyone though, you might just get to play people maybe once or twice a week. At least there's some stuff you could work on your own.

 

[shapular]

Play Smash 4 instead. It's easier to get into and not going to be dead in a year. It just came out so you won't have to try to play catch-up with people who have been playing for 10 years, and it has online so you can play real people without having to go anywhere.

 

[yttik]

Play Smash 4 instead. It's easier to get into and not going to be dead in a year. It just came out so you won't have to try to play catch-up with people who have been playing for 10 years, and it has online so you can play real people without having to go anywhere.

Melee dead in a year? What? It's the fastest, most popular game with the most advanced techniques. The game will always have it's players who are looking for the specific experience it gives. This isn't like what Brawl is going to experience. Brawl will most likely slowly die out and move onto the kind of community seen in 64, small yet still kicking. Melee though? Nah.

Also, he asked a Melee question, why come onto the Melee Discussion and say "come to Smash 4"?

 

[gmBottles]

Playing agaisnt CPUs can cause bad habits. Just play with friends until you feel like you're better, then look up some tech (wavedash, dash dance, l-cancel, that sort of thing) and practice. Once you know the basics of how to do it, just try to apply it in your gameplay slowly. Don't force it in, because it will just feel unnatural. Good luck!

 

[shapular]

Melee dead in a year? What? It's the fastest, most popular game with the most advanced techniques. The game will always have it's players who are looking for the specific experience it gives. This isn't like what Brawl is going to experience. Brawl will most likely slowly die out and move onto the kind of community seen in 64, small yet still kicking. Melee though? Nah.

Also, he asked a Melee question, why come onto the Melee Discussion and say "come to Smash 4"?

Not the most popular anymore. And I'm just trying to help the guy. It just happens that playing Smash 4 will solve a lot of his problems.

 

[Firejew]

Q: "How do I git gud"
A: "Play a different game."
lmao

 

[Jim Morrison]

Play Smash 4 instead. It's easier to get into and not going to be dead in a year. It just came out so you won't have to try to play catch-up with people who have been playing for 10 years, and it has online so you can play real people without having to go anywhere.

 

[EPsilon933]

Playing other games of the same genre will help you at your main game. There's overlapping skill. The more similar it is, the better the effect. Play Smash 4 online to learn the strategic aspect of playing Smash/Melee like prediction

 

[1MachGO]

Ok, I want to try and play Marth, I am new and learning. I went to play a level 9 falco, it always seems to grab me, get all the jabs on me and get all the hits. My point here is, how do I get better at the game, my timing etc.

For comboing, I would actually practice vs. lvl 1-4 cpus since they have pretty mixed DI. There are a ton of resources for tech related stuff (see the Advanced How to Play Videos) and you should definitely check out the Marth forums for guides/strategies on how to play him. I also recommend the 20XX hack pack if you can get it since it has a ton of useful features for learning (such as L-Cancel failing indicators, hitboxes, etc.)

Definitely try and find your local scene and play as many people as you can; just remember to play to learn. A typical trapping of new players is that they try to play to win in too many friendlies leading to bad habits and bad tournament results. Focus on reacting to what your opponent does and learning as much as you can.

Also, watch a lot of pro matches for your main and try to understand/replicate their strategies. They already did a lot of the leg work for you, you just need to grasp the theory.

Play Smash 4 instead. It's easier to get into and not going to be dead in a year. It just came out so you won't have to try to play catch-up with people who have been playing for 10 years, and it has online so you can play real people without having to go anywhere.

Lol what a terrible, nonconstructive comment. If you practice smart you can progress in a ridiculously short amount of time (see: aMSa). Why don't you go find a chess forum and tell new chess players they should play a different game because they are trying to play catch up with a 300 year old meta/people who have been playing most of their lives? Seriously, please take your game bashing somewhere else.