POSSIBLE NEWCOMERS and their effect on VETERAN characters

[bluebomber22]

Before official news confirmed that the way for Samus to change into ZSS was by her Final Smash, I kind of figured that was how it would work from the E3 '06 video. Obviously, this changes Samus as a character from what were typically used to. The question is WHY? Couldn't they add zss as a seperate character or a transformation? Yes they most certainly could have but they did not. Realizing that it may be a stretch, but I think they changed Samus up for two reasons, 1) its a new game, and 2) the inclusion of Mega Man. (I know he is not guaranteed to be in the game, its just a possiblity, he is eligible and popular)

This may just be the hyper Mega Man fanboy within me talking, but we all know Mega Man is a likely candidate for Brawl. It seems like every time someone mentions his inclusion, someone else unitelligently state,"He'll just be a Samus clone!!!1" They completely disregard the fact that Mega Man has many abilities unique to himself, and so does Samus because Mega Man can't do the screw attack or the morph ball. Long story short, I believe Sakurai added the ZSS mechanic into Samus to further differentiate her from Mega Man, since MM can't strip down and become a scantily clad woman.

Also, I think if Sonic is included in this game mostly Falcon, and even Fox/Falco will need to have their running speed slowed down a bit. SONIC doesn't have to be the quickest character as far as attacking goes, but he must be the fastest in running to remain true to his character.

In summary, I believe lots of characters in this game will see changes in their moves/stats due to the newcomers included.

Any other scenarios are welcome

 

[Caael]

This may just be the hyper Mega Man fanboy within me talking,

It is. How does Samus, in any way, affect megaman getting into Brawl? 'Omg |307|-| |-|4\/3 /-\r/\/\ (/-\|\||\|0|\|5 [0|\|F1r|\/|3|)!!!11111
They changed Samus because they wanted more Metroid representation, not because they wanted megaman in there. That's.....that's just stupid person logic.

Sorry.

 

[Wizzlecroff]

You have a point there. I too want Mega Man in brawl very badly. If this is true i welcome it, though i do not agree that ZSS should only be Final smash accessable.

EDIT: for the previous post, they can add Dark Samus and Ridley for more Metroid Representation, i do not believe that should deminish anything he is say. While it may not be sure, it is a possibility.

 

[Caael]

No, seriously. This is what you are saying:

' Samus and Zero Suit Samus confirmed! Oh my god! Megaman must be confirmed too!'

It's stupid.


Oh, and Ridley will represent Metroid. He's awesome, and he's all about kickin' ***.

 

[Copperpot]

I have to say that I agree with Caael, minus the blatant rudeness.

I'm a pretty big Megaman fan also, but supress those feelings and I think you'll come to realize that this argument is pretty much dead on arrival.

 

[Empy]

This may just be the hyper Mega Man fanboy within me talking.

You sir, hit it right on the head.

And about the Sonic issue, I don't think Fox(/Falco) and C Falcon should suffer as a character for him being added. The only reason Zamus effects Samus is because they are actualy the same character.

Edit: Darn, someone else noticed that little sentence as well.

 

[Caael]

I have to say that I agree with Caael, minus the blatant rudeness.

I'm a pretty big Megaman fan also, but supress those feelings and I think you'll come to realize that this argument is pretty much dead on arrival.

I'm a rude person when it comes to stupid people. When there's a logic which has no....real understanding to it, there's no point in it, so I mock people for being stupid.

I should really stop...

 

[Dotcom]

we all know Mega Man is a likely candidate for Brawl. It seems like every time someone mentions his inclusion, someone else unitelligently state,"He'll just be a Samus clone!!!1" They completely disregard the fact that Mega Man has many abilities unique to himself, and so does Samus because Mega Man can't do the screw attack or the morph ball. Long story short, I believe Sakurai added the ZSS mechanic into Samus to further differentiate her from Mega Man, since MM can't strip down and become a scantily clad woman.

Your Fanboy is showing.
What it sounds like to me is that your saying Sakurai included ZS Samus just to differntiate her more from megaman.
Sorry to burts your blue bubble, but I odubt MegaMan was on his mind when he decided to include ZSamus in the game.
Though maybe I am wrong for maybe we shall never know, BUT I highly doubt it.

 

[Wizzlecroff]

No, seriously. This is what you are saying:

' Samus and Zero Suit Samus confirmed! Oh my god! Megaman must be confirmed too!'

It's stupid.


Oh, and Ridley will represent Metroid. He's awesome, and he's all about kickin' ***.

I am not saying that, I am saying it is a possibility. It doesn't look to me like Sakurai changes characters for the sake of change. He wants to make the game better as a whole. Fox, Mario, and Link, non of them have major changes. Samus gets a big one. This doesn't confirm anything, but it does leave room for speculation. You shouldn't speak as if everything is absolute.

 

[bluebomber22]

No Caael READ MY POST. They were gonna make changes to Samus anyway because BRAWL is a new game. I'm merely saying it could be a possibility that they added in the ZSS into the actual samus character for more of a differentation with MM. If they wanted more metroid representation, they could have just added ZSS as a seperate character.

@Copperpot- sorry, but you fail as a mega man fan imo

@Wizzlecroff- thank you for being the ONLY one to get my post, you actually read

 

[Caael]

I am not saying that, I am saying it is a possibility. It doesn't look to me like Sakurai changes characters for the sake of change. He wants to make the game better as a whole. Fox, Mario, and Link, non of them have major changes. Samus gets a big one. This doesn't confirm anything, but it does leave room for speculation. You shouldn't speak as if everything is absolute.

Samus gets a change! Oh wow! Megaman confirmed! How is Zero Suit Samus a major change? Sure, it's new, but it doesn't mean other characters are confirmed.

' Holy balls! Pit is in the game! He has wings, like metaknight! Wow! Metaknight is from Kirby, who is a round ball. Kirby's enemy is Dedede. He's a penguin. OMG PIPLUP SEMI-CONFIRMED!!!'

That's your logic, right there.

Dont get me wrong, Megaman would be awesome, but your logic has no sense in it. At all.

I'm merely saying it could be a possibility that they added in the ZSS into the actual samus character for more of a differentation with MM. If they wanted more metroid representation, they could have just added ZSS as a seperate character.

What, so if sheik is in the game, it must mean that the ' Ask-a-ninja' guy has a chance? Anything new to the game, anything is representation for that series. The animal crossing stage gets rep, but no characters. Just because they're not a proper character, doesn't mean they're not rep for the series.

 

[bluebomber22]

Samus gets a change! Oh wow! Megaman confirmed! How is Zero Suit Samus a major change? Sure, it's new, but it doesn't mean other characters are confirmed.

' Holy balls! Pit is in the game! He has wings, like metaknight! Wow! Metaknight is from Kirby, who is a round ball. Kirby's enemy is Dedede. He's a penguin. OMG PIPLUP SEMI-CONFIRMED!!!'

That's your logic, right there.

i didnt say mega man was in the game you idiot. i said he was a likely candidate, which he is. And you said ZSS wasn't a major change??? YOU PHAIL

 

[Wizzlecroff]

Samus gets a change! Oh wow! Megaman confirmed! How is Zero Suit Samus a major change? Sure, it's new, but it doesn't mean other characters are confirmed.

' Holy balls! Pit is in the game! He has wings, like metaknight! Wow! Metaknight is from Kirby, who is a round ball. Kirby's enemy is Dedede. He's a penguin. OMG PIPLUP SEMI-CONFIRMED!!!'

That's your logic, right there.

Dont get me wrong, Megaman would be awesome, but your logic has no sense in it. At all.



What, so if sheik is in the game, it must mean that the ' Ask-a-ninja' guy has a chance? Anything new to the game, anything is representation for that series. The animal crossing stage gets rep, but no characters. Just because they're not a proper character, doesn't mean they're not rep for the series.

Wow, this has to be one of the most unthought out posts on here. You know that every single one of those examples is the exact opposite of what he said right? You need to look at things in color, rather than black and white.

 

[Dotcom]

' Holy balls! Pit is in the game! He has wings, like metaknight! Wow! Metaknight is from Kirby, who is a round ball. Kirby's enemy is Dedede. He's a penguin. OMG PIPLUP SEMI-CONFIRMED!!

Somebody give this man some applause.

 

[bluebomber22]

THANK YOU WIZZLECROFF, caael is claiming that i am jumping to conclusions about mm's inclusion in brawl, but HE is jumping to conclusions about what i said

I guess protoman10 doesn't get it either.


EDIT: READ MY POST ALL THE WAY THROUGH AGAIN PEOPLE, i never said,"since ZSS is in the game mega man confirmed!!!11"

What i did say was, this could be a possbility

 

[Caael]

i didnt say mega man was in the game you idiot. i said he was a likely candidate, which he is. And you said ZSS wasn't a major change??? YOU PHAIL

Uh, no I dont. Zero Suit Samus isn't a huge change, compared to Final Smashes. You could have stated that. What I interpreted from your first post is that ' A character slot isn't taken up, that slot is megaman's.

Judging by your sig and avvie, you are a megaman fanboy, so I interpreted what you said as ' Megaman is in Brawl.'

So i'm sorry for insulting you, but I did misinterprate you, so you cant blame me for looking at your post and sig and thinking ' He's deluded' I understand what you mean now, that a character slot isn't taken up, so another character has a chance. Okay, leave it at that.

Wow, this has to be one of the most unthought out posts on here. You know that every single one of those examples is the exact opposite of what he said right? You need to look at things in color, rather than black and white.

See above. I misinterprated what he said as a definate ' Megaman confirmed'

 

[Copperpot]

So, all of the sudden, my doubt of Megaman's inclusion in the game means I "fail" as a fan? That alone reveals that you value fan-dom over rationality, which is showing its (very, very childish) face more and more as this thread goes on. If you ask me, it's people like you that disgrace the Megaman name and the games/characters/stories within.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that this is busted. Now, someone please close this blasphemous excuse for a topic.

 

[bluebomber22]

Uh, no I dont. Zero Suit Samus isn't a huge change, compared to Final Smashes. You could have stated that. What I interpreted from your first post is that ' A character slot isn't taken up, that slot is megaman's.

Judging by your sig and avvie, you are a megaman fanboy, so I interpreted what you said as ' Megaman is in Brawl.'

So i'm sorry for insulting you, but I did misinterprate you, so you cant blame me for looking at your post and sig and thinking ' He's deluded' I understand what you mean now, that a character slot isn't taken up, so another character has a chance. Okay, leave it at that.


See above. I misinterprated what he said as a definate ' Megaman confirmed'

No problem, I can see how you arrived at that conclusion from my sig, but remember don't judge a poster by his sig! lol

 

[ZeldaFox38]

Wow. This is such a mess.

At this point, guessing which third party characters will appear isn't going to be of much use. We're only getting minor bits and pieces of the puzzle right now. Unless we had a copy of the game's finished code, it's redundant to take random guesses.

I mean, even if you were going to being approximating, you've only got tiny clues. The best predictor for third party combatants is the list of musicians. I haven't seen Mega Man or Capcom listed on that page, so unless the musician's achievements are so awesome they don't need to list Mega Man as their work, I'd doubt that they've got any chance at all. I mean, it's like asking for Simon Belmont.

Not that I promote anyone guessing off of the musician's list, either. There could be some scary possibilities . . .

If you want to speculate, that's fine. I'm speculating as well. Heck, we all are. Just don't get down if nothing pans out.

 

[Dotcom]

Maybe it's because I see things from both sides of an argumnet but I see it like this

i didnt say mega man was in the game you idiot. i said he was a likely candidate, which he is.

In your first post you said one of the two reasons that they had Samus change into Zs was of Megaman's inclusion, so someone could take it as your saying Megaman's included in the game from your observations.

 

[bluebomber22]

So, all of the sudden, my doubt of Megaman's inclusion in the game means I "fail" as a fan? That alone reveals that you value fan-dom over rationality, which is showing its (very, very childish) face more and more as this thread goes on. If you ask me, it's people like you that disgrace the Megaman name and the games/characters/stories within.

I think it's pretty safe to assume that this is busted. Now, someone please close this blasphemous excuse for a topic.

no, i think you fail as fan because you dont want him in brawl. i could care less about your opinion on his chances because that is anybody's guess at this point. But that is neither here nor there.

@ZeldaFox- there is a composer from Devil May Cry- which is made by CAPCOM. also most of the MM composers are a mystery

Back on topic- Do you guys think that IF sonic is in the game it will change C. falcon's running speed?

 

[Caael]

Nope. If sonic is in, it will make him the fastest character. He wont be as fast as the games, because well, that's too fast.

 

[bluebomber22]

Nope. If sonic is in, it will make him the fastest character. He wont be as fast as the games, because well, that's too fast.

so you think they wont touch CF, they'll just make Sonic a tad faster?

 

[Dotcom]

I'm not to sure.
I would make more sense to me, becuase if they made Sonic the fastest character in the game Keeping Cap. and Fox's speeds the way they are Sonic might seem a little broken (at least from the way I see it)

Thought if they did tweak his running speed it might throw a lot of Cap. users off which could come into a heated debate why they hate the New Cap., or people could take it as hey New Game, new playing style.

 

[Caael]

Well if he's the fastest character like ever, then he's going to have to be fastest. They wont tweak everybody's speed for one guy. If you slow down C. Falcon, then everybody has to be slower so he's still the 2nd fastest. It's just easier to make sonic faster than everybody.

 

[AAbatterie]

I agree with Caael. Sonic would be too fast if the characters aren't changed, so they have to slow down everyone else. I mean, it's hard enough for me to control Capt. Falcon from running off stage, how could they make Sonic faster than that?

 

[bluebomber22]

I

Thought if they did tweak his running speed it might throw a lot of Cap. users off which could come into a heated debate why they hate the New Cap., or people could take it as hey New Game, new playing style.

I was thrown off big time with Cap's speed in melee coming from 64 so I dont think Sakurai is afraid to change his speed. People will complain until they learn to adjust

Well if he's the fastest character like ever, then he's going to have to be fastest. They wont tweak everybody's speed for one guy. If you slow down C. Falcon, then everybody has to be slower so he's still the 2nd fastest. It's just easier to make sonic faster than everybody.

I think you're right it would be easier to just make him faster than to change everbody else. They just have to make sure he isnt broken with his speed. maybe they can make him have really sucky traction so that hes the fastest, but it takes a "second" to get up to speed and a "second" to stop

 

[Dotcom]

Hrmm..
Altering everyone would make things wayyyy complicated, that's like slowing down the game itself,
yeah might as well Sonic faster than altering everyone's games.

(ha Bowser slower)

 

[Caael]

Yeah, they cant just make his dash awesome in no time at all. Lolz, imagine if he had hardly any traction. RUN RUN RUN SLIIIIIIIIIDDEEEE DIE! Heheheheh...

But seriously, he should have a 1 second skid lag if you stop suddenly. That would unbreak his speed.

 

[bluebomber22]

Hrmm..
Altering everyone would make things wayyyy complicated, that's like slowing down the game itself,
yeah might as well Sonic faster than altering everyone's games.

(ha Bowser slower)

hahaha Bowser slower!!! I was thinking they would only have to adjust the top speed characters like CF, Fox/Falco

Yeah, they cant just make his dash awesome in no time at all. Lolz, imagine if he had hardly any traction. RUN RUN RUN SLIIIIIIIIIDDEEEE DIE! Heheheheh...

But seriously, he should have a 1 second skid lag if you stop suddenly. That would unbreak his speed.

remeber he even had that skid lag in his games! I think that is a perfect solution
also i edited the title of the thread to make up for my vagueness

 

[Caael]

Well, it wouldn't really make a difference to bowser, if all the other characters were slowed down as well, well it's the same thing, because they're all changed equally.


Yeah. It would be funny if Sonic took damage if he suddenly stopped his dash.

 

[Dotcom]

hahaha Bowser slower!!! I was thinking they would only have to adjust the top speed characters like CF, Fox/Falco

Well you would probably have to alter everyone's spped if your'e going to do that.
How wierd would it be if two characters had the same speed because the fastest characers lost thier speed because of Sonic.

That whole stopping thing would be pretty ticky because it's like ok he's so fast how long will it take me to got to the enemy, or ledge.
Also I thought if he runs so fast and jumps what happens to hi jump speed like how fast he moves in the air after he jumps from a run.

 

[Copperpot]

no, i think you fail as fan because you dont want him in brawl. i could care less about your opinion on his chances because that is anybody's guess at this point. But that is neither here nor there.

I don't recall ever saying that I didn't want Megaman in Brawl. I want him in as much as the next guy.

What I do recall is you saying that one of only two reasons that Zamus was included was to make room for Megaman. You may not have said he 'was' in, but you might as well have implied it. If it's all a misunderstanding, then I apologize, but your wording in that first post is pretty questionable.

Besides, why'd you post this in both the Megaman thread and as a new post?

EDIT - On the Sonic subject: if they just kept it true to his games, where it takes him a second or two to reach full speed, it'd probably balance out pretty decently (start off at, for example, Fox's dash speed but gradually get faster).

 

[bluebomber22]

I don't recall ever saying that I didn't want Megaman in Brawl. I want him in as much as the next guy.

You said this in another thread, maybe even the MM thread, but if you dont think that way i apologize.

What I do recall is you saying that one of only two reasons that Zamus was included was to make room for Megaman. You may not have said he 'was' in, but you might as well have implied it. If it's all a misunderstanding, then I apologize, but your wording in that first post is pretty questionable.

I was just saying it is possible. Not that she was added, but that she was added to Samus herself instead of being a seperate character

Besides, why'd you post this in both the Megaman thread and as a new post?

I posted it in both because it pertains to Mega Man, and the general thread because I had a thought about Sonic's effect as well, and also I want to open the thread up to any other possible newcomer's effect

@protoman10- I think that is what would make Sonic unique as a character, timing his speed and start/stop dash lag

 

[Card]

The question is WHY? Couldn't they add zss as a seperate character or a transformation? Yes they most certainly could have but they did not. Realizing that it may be a stretch, but I think they changed Samus up for two reasons, 1) its a new game, and 2) the inclusion of Mega Man. (I know he is not guaranteed to be in the game, its just a possiblity, he is eligible and popular)

The reason they couldn't include Samus and Zero Suit Samus as seperate characters is because they are the exact same person. It's the exact same logic as to why Zelda and Shiek aren't seperate on the character roster... it's because its the exact same person, only transformed. Zero Suit Samus is just Samus without her Power/Varia Suit... and they did just that.

Melee did break this logic with Link/Young Link, and Mario/Dr. Mario. But the large majority of the population believe that Young Link and Dr. Mario (whom really are just pure clones) are going to be removed from Smash Brawl. It was obvious how those two characters we're simply rushed and added at the last minute, simply because adding 'clones' requires much less resources and time in comparison towards adding a completely new record. Making Dr. Mario was simply take the Mario model, copy it, and add a Dr. Outfit on him, then take all the animations/frame data/damage/trajectory and tweak with them till they are different. Same goes for Young Link.





I hate to burst your bubble as well, but I feel that there is a 99.95% chance that Megaman will NOT be in Smash Brawl. You have to understand, Megaman is a 3rd Party character who belongs to Capcom. Capcom have immensely strong bonds with MegaMan, and have utilized him (and milked the franchise for that matter) for an extremely long time.

IF Mega Man was in Smash Brawl, do you HONESTLY believe that Capcom would keep this "under wraps" and not reveal that to the public?

Why do you think Solid Snake, a Konami 3rd party character, was revealed at the VERY FIRST viewing of Super Smash Brawl, yet we have not heard a word on it since then? It's quite simple when you think about it... it's because Konami WANTS EVERYONE to know that one of their main franchise characters is going to be a part of the game. By revealing Solid Snake, They (Konami) generated an extremely large amount of 'buzz', hype and publicity all on KONAMI and NINTENDO. This is exactly what the Konami wanted.

The only possible logic I could see behind a 3rd party company NOT revealing their main franchise characters inclusion in Super Smash Brawl, is because they are waiting for the next large video game public 'event' to unveil it. That event being E3 2007 which just passed, and not a single 3rd party character was revealed. For this reason I feel that there will not be any more 3rd party characters, unless its another Konami character. (Perhaps Sonic still stands a chance, due to SEGA using Mario&Sonic at the Olympics as publicity, and saving Sonic in Brawl as a big "WOW" effect)

Honestly, picture yourself in Capcom's shoes. Imagine that your biggest franchise hero, Mega Man, is going to be included as a playable character in one of the most anticipated Nintendo Wii Games (Don't forget that Nintendo Wii is the highest selling next gen console at the moment, which means much more sales). Do you honestly believe that you would hide this from the public? Announcing Mega Man's inclusion in Brawl is probably the most amazing publicity event you could perform. It will generate a ton of good press, and it will have attached your companies name (Capcom) whenever the name Super Smash is involved in an article on a video game website or magazine. From a business standpoint, it would be simply foolish to not announce such an event, and the video game industry is all about business.


I'll tip my hat to you if you can stump the logic above.




And by the way...

This may just be the hyper Mega Man fanboy within me talking

You are definitely becoming blinded by your fanboy'ism. I truly think you are probably the only person who believed that Samus was changed because it meant Mega Man was in Brawl, and not because its a new game. The two are completely unrelated.

But please don't take my post the wrong way... Be proud of your fanboy'ism

 

[Wizzlecroff]

Chibi, You bring up a good point about the 3rd party companies wanted their characters advertised early. Even so, in the business world, deals can be made to keep peoples mouth shut. Nintendo and Capcom would have to a mutual agreement about Mega Man being in Brawl. It's the same with any other 3rd party character. Sonic could be the one exception to the Sega wanting immediate advertisement, since he is also appearing in Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games. Like you said. Either way, if Capcom did put Mega Man in brawl as an unknown unlockable, I would think they will still get a bunch of advertisement. I mean we are still on forums on a game that has been out for many years. I do not see why it would be unwise for any 3rd party company eligle to submit their characters, to not do it.

 

[Dotcom]

The truth of the matter comes down to that we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[_the_sandman_]

You're topic title is very misleading.

 

[Vali]

I'm sorry Chibi, but Smash was basically a no-show at E3 because Nintendo wanted to promote more their other games such as Wii Fit and release their bombshell of MKWii to the world, along with their other big '07 titles like SMG and MP3 being playable there. However rest assured that soon there is going to be a Nintendo event dedicated to Smash Bros. or so I believe, and it may well be at that big event that the huge surprise is the unveiling of MegaMan.

You also must consider the fact that hype on Capcom at the moment for MegaMan isn't as beneficial as Snake for Konami since as far as I know there is no huge MegaMan project announced and so unlike MGS4, there's not much to hype for him. Capcom also has no rights under which to break an embargo which would be placed on MegaMan's inclusion in Brawl unless Nintendo themselves chose to reveal him which still would not be Capcom revealing the blue bomber's inclusion. Need I remind you that Nintendo is the company which embargoed Reggie's keynote speech at some Nintendo event which contained absolutely no information whatsoever, I don't think they'd just let Capcom go around blurting out potentially one of the biggest Smash Bros. surprises.

Lastly, Nintendo for the moment at least is drawing out the process of revealing new characters as long as possible, and may even be intending to keep the majority of the Brawl roster under wraps in order to sustain the mystery and keep players from spoiling the surprises for themselves (whether you want to or not ). There's absolutely no garuntee that by the time that Brawl is released that we'll have the full roster, and even then a surprise like MegaMan might be kept past the release date (really unlikely though).

In any case, embargos, Smash Bros. event and the drawing out of the roster poke some logic holes in your otherwise great argument .

 

[bluebomber22]

The reason they couldn't include Samus and Zero Suit Samus as seperate characters is because they are the exact same person.

Melee did break this logic with Link/Young Link, and Mario/Dr. Mario. But the large majority of the population believe that Young Link and Dr. Mario (whom really are just pure clones) are going to be removed from Smash Brawl.

IF Mega Man was in Smash Brawl, do you HONESTLY believe that Capcom would keep this "under wraps" and not reveal that to the public?


I'll tip my hat to you if you can stump the logic above.


But please don't take my post the wrong way... Be proud of your fanboy'ism

First off my love for MM is not blinding me because i am aware of it. regardless of the fact that im a huge fan, doesn't make a difference that his chances are pretty high as a 3rd party character

Dont worry, i didnt take your post the wrong way. hell i made the thread for some good debate. i know some people will agree with and others will disagree with me.

As to your first point, you disproved it yourself with the Dr. Mario and Young Link example. Even though most people believed they will be removed (as do I), remember that smash bros doesn't have to make sense. in fact it doesn't at all. so having ZSS and regular Samus as seperate characters wouldnt break any flow of logic in the smash bros scheme of things. It would be the same as having two players pick the same character, there are still two samuses (invented a word) fighintg each other.

Yes, I would believe Capcom would keep it under wraps if Nintendo told them to. Remember, this is still Nintendo's game. They control all information release, Capcom would have no say in the matter. Plus we still have several months before launch, thats a lot of info to release.

You can tip your hat to Wizzlecroff and Vali cuz they beat me to it. I had class from 2-5 today lol

also i find that if i use your logic there will be no more 3rd parties in brawl. even though Sonic and mario at the Olympics was announced, it is completely exclusive of brawl. Sega hasn't announced anything either. but people still highly expect sonic in the game. there is a saying that explains witholding the character information, "save the best for last"

The truth of the matter comes down to that we'll just have to wait and see.

couldn't agree more, but until then all we can do is speculate

You're topic title is very misleading.

care to elaborate? how so

I'm sorry Chibi, but Smash was basically a no-show at E3 because Nintendo wanted to promote more their other games such as Wii Fit and release their bombshell of MKWii to the world, along with their other big '07 titles like SMG and MP3 being playable there. However rest assured that soon there is going to be a Nintendo event dedicated to Smash Bros. or so I believe, and it may well be at that big event that the huge surprise is the unveiling of MegaMan.

You also must consider the fact that hype on Capcom at the moment for MegaMan isn't as beneficial as Snake for Konami since as far as I know there is no huge MegaMan project announced and so unlike MGS4, there's not much to hype for him. Capcom also has no rights under which to break an embargo which would be placed on MegaMan's inclusion in Brawl unless Nintendo themselves chose to reveal him which still would not be Capcom revealing the blue bomber's inclusion. Need I remind you that Nintendo is the company which embargoed Reggie's keynote speech at some Nintendo event which contained absolutely no information whatsoever, I don't think they'd just let Capcom go around blurting out potentially one of the biggest Smash Bros. surprises.

Lastly, Nintendo for the moment at least is drawing out the process of revealing new characters as long as possible, and may even be intending to keep the majority of the Brawl roster under wraps in order to sustain the mystery and keep players from spoiling the surprises for themselves (whether you want to or not ). There's absolutely no garuntee that by the time that Brawl is released that we'll have the full roster, and even then a surprise like MegaMan might be kept past the release date (really unlikely though).

In any case, embargos, Smash Bros. event and the drawing out of the roster poke some logic holes in your otherwise great argument .

you hit it right on the button. I'll reiterate the fact that Capcom currently has no announced plans for a new Mega Man game (i mean the original not zero, zx, or .exe). So this wouldn't generate much hype for the character as it would for the company. And when you have titles like dead rising, resident evil 5, lost planet, etc. just to name a few you get plenty of hype. Im pretty sure Capcom would not mind waiting for Nintendo to release the info on their times scale to give them even more hype. my point is it doesn't matter if MM is announced today or on dec 3, itll have the same effect for Capcom