Pokemon Stadium

[Uvula]

This stage is horse**** we should ban it from competitive play

 

[BBOY15]

If we care about Smash's longevity, then I don't think we should be removing any stages. Playing on a fewer number of stages will make smash sessions and watching tournaments more repetitive. It will feel more like we're doing the same thing over and over again. If anything, I say we add more stages. Compromise? We keep it the same.

 

[Xyzz]

Compromise: Remove Stadium, include Mute City! :D

 

[Lorenzo The Comic]

include Mute City! :D

The main platform doesn't have any ledges that can be grabbed.

 

[MunchMyster]

Compromise: Remove Stadium, include Mute City! :D

Yeah, let's replace a stage where you can actually grab the ledges and minor hazards that may cause about five seconds of stalling with a stage with zero ledges to grab and several stage hazards that cause damage.

I like mute city too, but I'm honestly glad it's not a counter pick anymore.

 

[anikom15]

I think Jungle Japes should be legal.

 

[TimeSmash]

Holy cow learn to take a joke people hahaha.

As far as Pokemon Stadium goes, it'd hardly bad. Except that whole fall through the stage thing which rarely happens anyways, it's one of the very few dynamic stages allowed in Smash's history, so reasons other than "it's horse****" should be provided for argument.

 

[Massive]

Why ban PS when we could just ban Fox and get almost all of the stages back? lol

 

[SAUS]

Holy cow learn to take a joke people hahaha.

As far as Pokemon Stadium goes, it'd hardly bad. Except that whole fall through the stage thing which rarely happens anyways, it's one of the very few dynamic stages allowed in Smash's history, so reasons other than "it's horse****" should be provided for argument.

It implies that all characters on the stage are pokemon, and thus, slaves to us humans - it is almost like we can tell them what to do and they MUST do it no matter what. It's cruel and wrong. We should ban pokemon stadium.

 

[Modesty]

I think Jungle Japes should be legal.

Seconded

 

[TimeSmash]

Isn't there a Stage Discussion thread somewhere for this sort of thing? haha

 

[dahuterschuter]

I'd take a trade-off of Stadium for Kongo Jungle.

 

[Lorenzo The Comic]

Isn't there a Stage Discussion thread somewhere for this sort of thing? haha

The search function is good.

 

[AirFair]

Yo PS is fine lol. It may favor the spacies but I don't see anything wrong with it.

 

[EPsilon933]

The bad transformations are temporary and falling through the stage occurs very rarely. They're too insignificant to worry about

 

[TimeSmash]

The search function is good.

Isn't it? You'd think this discussion could be merged there, especially since most of this topic's posts have consisted of one or two sentences.

 

[EddyBearr]

Yoshi's Island, Battlefield, and Dream Land 64 should be the only legal stages.

Each player strikes 1, no bans in any set, modified DSR.

 

[anikom15]

I don't understand why you'd ever ban FD.

Disliking a stage needs to stop being grounds for a ban.

 

[CAUP]

The reasons pokemon stadium should be banned is because it ABSURDLY favors fox. If you wanted to a make a stage which caters to fox's strengths even more the only thing you could do is add more walls. Foes has crazy advantages on 3 out of the 5 transformations.

Honestly there's a lot of stages which could be legal but aren't for very small reasons. The good thing is that you can play on whatever stage you want if the other player agrees.

If you want a perfectly balanced stage list it would just be battlefield.

 

[Massive]

Battlefield isn't actually balanced, it favors jigglypuff and marth due to the weird edges and the way platforms work.

A completely balanced stage would likely have Pokemon Stadium's neutral platform setup and yoshi's ledges/walls.

 

[M.C.Jeducation]

Guys! The only real compromise is to legalise poke floats.

 

[KillerGum]

I'm in favor of banning PS, making FD and Dreamland 64 counter-picks, and using the "Stage Dismissal Rule" along with MDSR.
1-1 striking and no bans.

The stage list will look like this:
Starters: Battlefield, Yoshi's, FoD
Counterpicks: FD, DL64

SDR means you can not pick a counter-pick stage you have already won on, but if you win on a starter stage, you can re-pick it.
Use MDSR so starter stages that heavily skew a few match-ups won't be abused as much, and to make sure there is good stage variety in sets.

This is pretty complicated, but if TO's do their job and make sure everybody understands the rules, I believe this would be the best and most balanced ruleset.

A quick fix would be to just make it illegal for Fox to counter-pick stadium.

 

[anikom15]

That is overcomplicated and solves nothing that the current system already solves.

 

[Boardwalk]

competitive games should not have random factors
stadium is random.
most of the transformations would not be legal if they were a separate stage.
this is such seems like such an easy decision

 

[Sir Bubbles]

Am I the only one that likes Pokemon Stadium?

 

[gmBottles]

I don't see a problem with Stadium at all. When there aren't transformations, its a great stage for pretty much everyone. The transformations are really too short to matter that much, and if you get caught in an infinite or something it's usually your fault for being somewhere you shouldn't be. You just have to know what options will work and when you should execute them. It adds a level of depth that makes Melee special.

 

[Boardwalk]

if the transformations had a set pattern and some of them were modified to not be as ridiculous it would be a great stage.

 

[gmBottles]

What do you mean by ridiculous? I think they all have options for each character, whether it be camping one side of the stage or going in and forcing the opponent into an unfavorable position. A set pattern could make it better, but it does show you which transformation is about to happen, so you can plan accordingly.

 

[anikom15]

if the transformations had a set pattern and some of them were modified to not be as ridiculous it would be a great stage.

No it would be boring and help spacies even more.

 

[Boardwalk]

when a characters best option is hiding until the next transformation....
their is an indicator as to the next transformation but it is a random transformation
also stages should not be looked at from characters perspectives but a broader perspective. i would argue that 2 of the transformations would be banned if they were stand alone stages.

on a less important note. as rare as it is falling through a stage is never a good thing.

 

[Boardwalk]

No it would be boring and help spacies even more.

you think there should be random aspects to this game to add excitement?
i think when there is money on the line that randomness should never play a factor (or only the smallest possible factor)
i think the stage should be banned all together

 

[Spazzy]

When does Peach's castle come back

 

[EPsilon933]

competitive games should not have random factors

Doesn't LOL have randomness? It's 1 of the biggest competitive games out there. I think a little randomness can be tolerable

 

[anikom15]

you think there should be random aspects to this game to add excitement?
i think when there is money on the line that randomness should never play a factor (or only the smallest possible factor)
i think the stage should be banned all together

They tried playing Baseball indoors (which reduced random factors). It sucked.

Also did you know that all baseball fields are different and benefit certain players? It's kind of like how stage geometries affect matchups.

Randomness is fine so long as the factors don't throw the game. You can easily prepare for all of PS' transformations and you can tell what form comes up next.

 

[TimeSmash]

They tried playing Baseball indoors (which reduced random factors). It sucked.

Also did you know that all baseball fields are different and benefit certain players? It's kind of like how stage geometries affect matchups.

Randomness is fine so long as the factors don't throw the game. You can easily prepare for all of PS' transformations and you can tell what form comes up next.

Quite easily, mind you. It's pretty easy to tell when a transition is coming--if it's been a while, and you look at the background screen you'll know what to expect.

As far as randomness those arguing against it we have things like Peach's turnips/beamswword/BOB-OMB/Mr. Saturn, Game and Watch 9, and Luigi misfires--while all can be quite pivotal, they're not gamebreaking by any means. This stage is pretty harmless, except for the whole falling through it now and then, but that's exactly it--that barely ever happens

 

[The Soap]

But if Stadium gets banned I won't be able to do my sick windmill combos anymore

 

[Boardwalk]

Doesn't LOL have randomness? It's 1 of the biggest competitive games out there. I think a little randomness can be tolerable

i have zero knowledge of LOL so i will just take your word for it. if the 4 transformations stood alone as their own stage which ones would you consider to be legal?

 

[EPsilon933]

i have zero knowledge of LOL so i will just take your word for it. if the 4 transformations stood alone as their own stage which ones would you consider to be legal?

Grass and water

There is a stalling problem, but it only occurs up to 50% of the time when PS transforms, on average. Each time it transforms to rock or fire, the game can stall for up to 30 seconds. I think we see the significance of this problem differently

 

[anikom15]

i have zero knowledge of LOL so i will just take your word for it. if the 4 transformations stood alone as their own stage which ones would you consider to be legal?

That's irrelevant. The four transformations are not stand-alone stages.

 

[gmBottles]

That's irrelevant. The four transformations are not stand-alone stages.

Yeah, this is actually a pretty important thing to note. We can argue about whether or not something is good by itself, but it isn't by itself so it's irrelevant.