PM Default Settings

[Y-L]

I was wondering if it would be possible to have the default PM settings be the aspect ratio 16:9 and items off? For one this would be beneficial to normal players as items on and 4:3 are not the norm. Also, this would be extremely beneficial to the Netplay community as we cannot have a save file, and have to change these settings every time we start the game. I'm not sure how simple this would be to change but if it would be possible I feel as if this would help out a lot of people. Thanks for the consideration and post thoughts on feasibility and whether you agree or disagree with this.

 

[MonkUnit]

Items Off is already a default setting. Also, most people, at least in tournaments, use CRTs and not flatscreens, so 4:3 is usually the norm there.

 

[Y-L]

Items Off is already a default setting. Also, most people, at least in tournaments, use CRTs and not flatscreens, so 4:3 is usually the norm there.

How could it be a default setting? When loading PM on Dolphin (no save file on either brawl or PM) items are on by default.

The other thing is that 90% of tournament setups have save files which will be set on 4:3, or at least will have knowledge that they need to switch to 4:3. In addition, they will have to do this only once as there is no detriment to having a save file on Wii. In other words for tournament setups the ratio will either already be on 4:3, or will be a change that only needs to be done once.

With the decline of Nintendo WFC, and undeniable influx of players on Netplay due to official WFC closing down and/or much much less lag on Netplay I think it would be fair to have the default setting on 16:9. Doing so would make using Netplay a lot less tedious changing the ratio after every match and I believe it should at least be considered.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I think when the GameCube controller adapter for the Wii U comes out and tournaments can finally stop using CRTs and move on to HDTVs, keeping the aspect ration on 16:9 on default would be a great idea.

 

[shairn]

I think when the GameCube controller adapter for the Wii U comes out and tournaments can finally stop using CRTs and move on to HDTVs, keeping the aspect ration on 16:9 on default would be a great idea.

Why would we want to move to more expensive consoles and TVs when CRTs, wiis and gamecubes do the job just fine?

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Why would we want to move to more expensive consoles and TVs when CRTs, wiis and gamecubes do the job just fine?

It looks better.

For spectators it means the screen is a little easier on the eyes, too.

But hey I'm not trying to belittle the idea of saving money. I just thought that, y'know, since HDTVs are ubiquitous these days and everything *shrugs*

 

[wiiztec]

I think when the GameCube controller adapter for the Wii U comes out and tournaments can finally stop using CRTs and move on to HDTVs, keeping the aspect ration on 16:9 on default would be a great idea.

I don't think you understand why CRT's are used

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I don't think you understand why CRT's are used

I was under the impression that it was the most lagless way to play, since wireless controllers have a delay and trying to play standard definition Wii games on an HD Wii U without a wired controller results in a one frame delay no matter what since it takes a frame to convert the inputs.

With the GC adapter coming out I thought the problem would be solved then, meaning we could finally use prettier TVs without any lag.

But if I'm missing something tell me. Don't tell me I'm missing something then leave without saying, it's rude.

 

[shairn]

The reason there's a delay is in the conversion from the Wii/Gamecube's analog video output to the HDTV's digital input, which is handled differently depending on your HDTV. Some monitors actually have negligible lag, but most will have a few frames.

 

[hotdogturtle]

The fact of the matter is that P:M is not created with netplay as its target audience. The fact that it happens to be possible to play on Dolphin is just a side effect of this being a mod of a console game. I'm sure at least 90% of the userbase will be playing the game on a console, the vast majority of which will be played on a CRT due to the simple fact that this is not an HD game. They're not going to change a default setting just to appease the netplay community, however minor it may be.

 

[Y-L]

The fact of the matter is that P:M is not created with netplay as its target audience. The fact that it happens to be possible to play on Dolphin is just a side effect of this being a mod of a console game. I'm sure at least 90% of the userbase will be playing the game on a console, the vast majority of which will be played on a CRT due to the simple fact that this is not an HD game. They're not going to change a default setting just to appease the netplay community, however minor it may be.

What you aren't understanding is that this has no effect on the rest of the community. On a Wii everyone has a save file so aspect ratio is saved aside from the very first startup of the game ever. Saying this has a huge impact on the competitive community is just blatantly ignorant.

 

[hotdogturtle]

Saying this has a huge impact on the competitive community is just blatantly ignorant.

Then it's a good thing that I didn't say that.

 

[Y-L]

Then it's a good thing that I didn't say that.

Then what does it matter if the default setting is changed or not?

 

[Celestis]

What you aren't understanding is that this has no effect on the rest of the community. On a Wii everyone has a save file so aspect ratio is saved aside from the very first startup of the game ever. Saying this has a huge impact on the competitive community is just blatantly ignorant.

Since PMBR dose not support pirating, I don't see this as a concern for them. The Wii is all they care about and the game is built for competition. So it will be set to the competitive default. They are not to cater to your needs specifically.

 

[Y-L]

Since PMBR dose not support pirating, I don't see this as a concern for them.

Ripping an iso from your own disc is completely legal.

The Wii is all they care about and the game is built for competition. So it will be set to the competitive default.

Changing the setting would not affect competition in any way, as stated above, as long as there is a save file, which is the case for all Wii players, it would not affect them at all. The setting does not revert each time you start the game.

They are not to cater to your needs specifically.

Considering Wifi has moved to third party, Netplay has less lag regardless, and the guide for it I made for it which is less than 6 months old has 23k views, these are not my specific needs. There is a whole community of Smash which this benefits. Big names like TK Breezy, Emukiller (won PM sktar3), Lunchables, and Oracle all play Netplay. Again because it does not affect Wii players in any way, there's not really a good reason to not change it.

 

[Celestis]

You're still failing to grasp the concept here. Comparative game. Built for the competition. CRT is the TV of choice there. You said they would only have to change it once. Well you know what, Dolphin has save abilities, too.

 

[Y-L]

You're still failing to grasp the concept here. Comparative game. Built for the competition. CRT is the TV of choice there. You said they would only have to change it once. Well you know what, Dolphin has save abilities, too.

No I believe you are not grasping the point here. Everybody fiddles with aspect ratio the first time they get the game regardless of whether they own a CRT or an HDTV. You look at it once, then for 6 months (or however long it takes for PM to release an update, or lets say this is the gold edition of PM,) never again. There is really no debate in being so tenacious in this conservatism because it is not something which is as big a deal as you are making it out to be.

Dolphin have save abilities but clearly you have never played Netplay and you fail to realize that you cannot have a save file when playing it. Denying an entire bustling community an option which you will never touch until the next revision of PM is just silly.

Saying "because competition" while putting your fingers in your ears and yelling no isn't a very thoughtful response.

 

[Sol0ke]

Screen ratio changes when you launch Project M?

 

[Y-L]

Screen ratio changes when you launch Project M?

When you first install PM the screen ratio will default to 4:3. If you decide to change it or leave it the same, that screen ratio setting will save and you never touch it again unless you reinstall PM.

 

[Sol0ke]

For Dolphin or for Wii? I play on my Wii and it doesn't change when I first install Project M

 

[Y-L]

For Dolphin or for Wii? I play on my Wii and it doesn't change when I first install Project M

It should be for both. The crux of the post is that when running it in Dolphin with no save file it defaults to items on and 4:3, PMBR has the power to change which it defaults to then once you change it and the game saves you wouldn't have to change it again.

 

[Sol0ke]

Wait ignore this

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Screen ratio changes when you launch Project M?

Nah, he's saying those of us who have PM on consoles will have either 4:3 or 16:9 start up based on what we selected last, saved on our save file. When we start it up, it'll go to which one we set it to.

He's saying Netplay users don't have a save file, so every single time they start the game up, if they want the game to look good, they always have to go manually set the game to 16:9.

If the PMBR went along with this, non Netplay 4:3 users would only have to adjust it once, then never again--even if they start PM again, because it's now on their save file. Netplay 16:9 users, lacking a save file, would stop needing to adjust it every single time.

It's a win-win. Common sense.

 

[Brim]

The reason there's a delay is in the conversion from the Wii/Gamecube's analog video output to the HDTV's digital input, which is handled differently depending on your HDTV. Some monitors actually have negligible lag, but most will have a few frames.

You know the weird thing is I went to a Smash gathering last Friday and we used a CRT and the input latency felt a lot more noticeable compared to using Smash on my LCD TV.

 

[Doppler12]

As a netplay enthusiast I would really appreciate these changes

 

[Celestis]

Saying "because competition" while putting your fingers in your ears and yelling no isn't a very thoughtful response.

This exact same thing applies to you too.

 

[Y-L]

This exact same thing applies to you too.

I'm providing you with plenty of reasons why this should be changed.

• It benefits a growing Smash community that do not have access to local scenes
• It does not hinder the Wii competitive community at all
• Netplay is in no way associated with pirating
• Wifi is third party and has more lag so Netplay is the premier form of online Project M

All I have heard you say is that this is anti-competitive.