Playing against Jiggly?

[XOSugar]

Jiggly has been the bane of my Smash career since Melee. I don't know how to engage. Every time I try, she weaves out and punishes quickly. If I try to play defensively, they'll just sit in the corner and the match will go nowhere.

How do you play against her?

 

[Hameed Ziabari]

You should post this in the matchup thread of whatever character you main's forum.

Mods pls lock.

 

[Vinylic.]

@ Hameed Ziabari No, he can ask us here too.

So, you main bowser right? There actually aren't many bowsers that I've played, but I think bowser, for being heavy, can be stringed to hell, so you need to act fast in moments like those. On the other hand, bowser is ridiculously powerful and makes KOs look easy. This makes up for his weakness.

Jiggs is lightweight, and she needs to be super careful, which is why you find it difficult to approach. They will stay patient at all times and find an open spot. Bowser has a lot of powerful moves that leaves him vulnerable after, such as fsmash, upsmash, nair, even his dash attack.

The best option is to bait it, pressure her and make walls as lagless as possible. Be patient. Use your upsmash on the ground if she tries to roll right to you, but you need to expect it. Shorthop fair? utilt that. If she attacks you, shield and punish. You can play just like jiggs can in the MU. In fact, most MUs consist of this, imo.

 

[Jiggly]

I know, I'm quite the pain, but posts directed straight at me are uneeded... ;-;

 

[Darklink401]

The main problem JIggly has against Bowser is that Bowser can literally kill her at like 35% if she isn't careful.

I'd think being patient as well, and trying to read your opponent, would score you the win. No jiggly feels safe playing against power characters.

We'd rather play against the combo-y characters cuz they can't combo us.

 

[_Magus_]

The main problem JIggly has against Bowser is that Bowser can literally kill her at like 35% if she isn't careful.

I'd think being patient as well, and trying to read your opponent, would score you the win. No jiggly feels safe playing against power characters.

We'd rather play against the combo-y characters cuz they can't combo us.

Shout outs to my man DL :D

The thing about jiggy is, she's strong, but she's a glass cannon. Now with Bowser's increased speed, he has all the tools to pressure her in all the right ways. Jigglypuff just seems to fall apart against Bowser (and against projectile campers, but that's beside the point)

 

[Jiggly]

Shout outs to my man DL :D

The thing about jiggy is, she's strong, but she's a glass cannon. Now with Bowser's increased speed, he has all the tools to pressure her in all the right ways. Jigglypuff just seems to fall apart against Bowser (and against projectile campers, but that's beside the point)

I would disagree, bowser has issues against puff due o lack of aerial priority, and the only move to guard him at Head level is F-tilt and up snash, both have crazy end lag. Any Jigglypuff that knows how to space won't fall apart.

 

[Darklink401]

I would disagree, bowser has issues against puff due o lack of aerial priority, and the only move to guard him at Head level is F-tilt and up snash, both have crazy end lag. Any Jigglypuff that knows how to space won't fall apart.

Since when does Bowser's ftilt have a lot of endlag?

And doesn't his fair actually have like, a lot of priority?

 

[ZHMT]

Jigglypuff does fine against Bowser and all aerials have the same priority basically. People use the term priority incorrectly.

If she's turtling, just try to corner her if possible. If she still does it when you have the lead, sit back and wait for time to run out.

 

[_Magus_]

I would disagree, bowser has issues against puff due o lack of aerial priority, and the only move to guard him at Head level is F-tilt and up snash, both have crazy end lag. Any Jigglypuff that knows how to space won't fall apart.

His fair is almost like marth's and his f tilt isn't very laggy at all. Plus he has his super fast jab, and his dash grab. Add that to his crazy OOS options (both up b and down b included) and crazy killpower, and you have a hard MU for jiggs.

 

[ZHMT]

His fair is almost like marth's and his f tilt isn't very laggy at all. Plus he has his super fast jab, and his dash grab. Add that to his crazy OOS options (both up b and down b included) and crazy killpower, and you have a hard MU for jiggs.

Bowsers jab isn't super fast, it hits frame 7 which is below average. Puffs jab hits frame 5 and even hers is average speed at best.

Bowsers fair is nothing like Marths. Marths has far more disjoint, assuming Bowsers even has any and Bowsers fair has almost double the startup time as Marths. Also its not even too strong relative to the rest of his moveset. It has about the same KO potential as Jigglypuffs nair, which comes out in almost half the time I might add.

His ftilt is slower than most of Puffs tilts and aerials and is laggy enough to where you can't just throw it out. Its best used as a counterhitting move and at neutral.

Whirling fortress is a decent punish out of shield, but its easily spaced around and punished hard if baited, if she can do it to moves like screw attack and Marios usmash she can do it to fortress.

Down B? I'm not sure if you can do it out of shield, if you can that's news to me, unless you mean jumping first and using it which doesn't seem very good.

His dash grab is good, however his regular grab is slow and you can crouch under both as Puff.

 

[_Magus_]

Bowsers jab isn't super fast, it hits frame 7 which is below average. Puffs jab hits frame 5 and even hers is average speed at best.

Bowsers fair is nothing like Marths. Marths has far more disjoint, assuming Bowsers even has any and Bowsers fair has almost double the startup time as Marths. Also its not even too strong relative to the rest of his moveset. It has about the same KO potential as Jigglypuffs nair, which comes out in almost half the time I might add.

His ftilt is slower than most of Puffs tilts and aerials and is laggy enough to where you can't just throw it out. Its best used as a counterhitting move and at neutral.

Whirling fortress is a decent punish out of shield, but its easily spaced around and punished hard if baited, if she can do it to moves like screw attack and Marios usmash she can do it to fortress.

Down B? I'm not sure if you can do it out of shield, if you can that's news to me, unless you mean jumping first and using it which doesn't seem very good.

His dash grab is good, however his regular grab is slow and you can crouch under both as Puff.

I meant shield drop > down b. The first hit links to the second.

 

[ZHMT]

I meant shield drop > down b. The first hit links to the second.

That's an 18 frame punish, you don't get those on spaced Jigglypuff attacks.

 

[Desu~]

Then how about a jump canceled Bowser Bomb?

 

[ZHMT]

Then how about a jump canceled Bowser Bomb?

That's even worse, I don't see why you wouldn't just shield grab, its sooo much faster its not even funny

 

[XOSugar]

@ Hameed Ziabari No, he can ask us here too.

So, you main bowser right? There actually aren't many bowsers that I've played, but I think bowser, for being heavy, can be stringed to hell, so you need to act fast in moments like those. On the other hand, bowser is ridiculously powerful and makes KOs look easy. This makes up for his weakness.

Jiggs is lightweight, and she needs to be super careful, which is why you find it difficult to approach. They will stay patient at all times and find an open spot. Bowser has a lot of powerful moves that leaves him vulnerable after, such as fsmash, upsmash, nair, even his dash attack.

The best option is to bait it, pressure her and make walls as lagless as possible. Be patient. Use your upsmash on the ground if she tries to roll right to you, but you need to expect it. Shorthop fair? utilt that. If she attacks you, shield and punish. You can play just like jiggs can in the MU. In fact, most MUs consist of this, imo.

I actually have no problem against the wall. I can just DI down or wait until I'm really low to jump again. It's onstage engaging that I have problems with. Her aerial game is strong, and most Jiggly's I've played will not attack unless I do first. Every now and then I get a surprise Up-B in for 18%, but for the most part she's safe. She just floats in and out, and if I attack, she comes back in and punishes.

And it's not just with Bowser. It's literally everyone I've ever played with in my entire Smash career.