PK Fire Spam

[Garlic Wonder]

I know a bunch of people do this for a grab or the bat, and I understand,

But I remember this one Ness I battled against as Bowser and I was crushing him until he started to spam PK Fire. I couldn't even retreat, and after like 50 PK Fires, he used the Bat and chopped off my first life. I eventually had to spam My side B and beat him, And ever since I was scared of Ness.

So, could you guys at Smash Board help me on this predicament?

 

[PKBeam]

Shield them. Hop over them. Approach aerially. Learn to SDI it. Its only 80% effective but it can save your life.
If you're getting PKF'ed close enough to get Fsmashed you seriously need to be more careful approaching.

Maybe ask for someone to have a few matches to learn to deal with PKF.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

What does SDI mean?

 

[PKBeam]

Smash DI. During hitstun you can input a direction on any analog stick so you shift slightly in that direction. With a gamepad/GCC you can input two different directions e.g. if you want to SDI up then mash up on one stick and a slight variant of up on another stick, like up and a little bit to the right (Mashing both in the same direction only registers as input from one stick) . It works best on moves with many quick hitboxes like PKF.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

Does this require the GameCube Controller?

 

[PKBeam]

Does this require the GameCube Controller?

no. you just need something that can input a direction. it works best with two methods of input, like the gamepad and GCC but with Wiichuck i think you can just use one to SDI.

 

[EarthBoundEnigma]

Let's not forget the existence of powershielding and second jumps. Both are the optimal answers to PK Fire.

 

[Tikao]

spaming pk-fire is probadly the worst thing you could do as ness, it is not a bad move, but it is defiinitely too laggy to be spamable

 

[PKBeam]

spaming pk-fire is probadly the worst thing you could do as ness

don't be so certain....

 

[Tikao]

not literally of course

you could try and spam fully charged pk-flashes onstage while standing right in front of a bowser charging fsmash
or the literally worst thing (that is ness related and not just SDing yourself) : spaming psi magnet against someone without energy based stuff

But you would have to do something like that on purpose and just for the sake of doing something dumb, but spaming pk-fire is something some (mostly newer) Ness players might actually do

 

[Garlic Wonder]

I despise Ness, that's all I gotta say.

 

[Mysteltainn]

PSI Fire spam only goes so far. The move is best used when you know your opponent doesn't have much choice. When spammed though, it gets really predictable and the ending lag will just work against you, especially if you're against Sheik or someone with fast running speed, you'll really pay the price.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

Yeah, but still, Ness sucks.

 

[KieRanaRan]

Yeah, but still, Ness sucks.

People are trying to give you constructive advice here, dude. You're starting to sound a little ignorant.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

Sorry if I am.

 

[Kidodeath]

Spamming PKF isn't a good idea as a Ness player , it's laggy and punishable at closed ranged you can power shield it , spot dodge , jump , shield ... It's supposed to be used to punish or from far but it isn't a good idea if not spaced well ..
So you just have to learn how to beat Ness, and this part is actually not hard to learn I think .

 

[Garlic Wonder]

I think I have a good idea. I will try Ness and fight either a Level 9 CPU or use him online and spam PK Fire and I will see how they punish me and I will try to mimic it with my main Wario.

 

[PKBeam]

I think I have a good idea. I will try Ness and fight either a Level 9 CPU or use him online and spam PK Fire and I will see how they punish me and I will try to mimic it with my main Wario.

k but you have to actually understand what they're doing, why they're doing it and adapt the punish to Wario.
Marth Fsmash =/= Wario Fsmash.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

I wish Lucas was in instead of Ness. I'm tired of "OK!" every 5 seconds.

 

[PKBeam]

... that's something for the social thread.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

I'm just Kidding!

Sorry for making fun of Lucas and Ness. They are cool.

 

[Sir_Zedd]

This thread seems to be heading in the wrong direction, watch that sodium intake Garlic Wonder.

Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the wheelie on the bike eat projectiles? Could use that to gain space, other than that I suggest working on your aerial approach options, pk fire is very punishable when Ness is abusing it.

 

[PKBeam]

no they ignite, i arcthunder'd a wario's bike. FH PKF is pretty safe on Wario driving his bike.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but whenever I play a Ness and use the bike, I go over the PK Fire and slam into Ness.

 

[PKBeam]

not if he does a FH PKF.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

What is a FH?

 

[Sir_Zedd]

It means full hop, as in a jumping PK Fire.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

How can Ness hop when he has to stand still while he shoots the PK Fire?

 

[Sir_Zedd]

You can PK fire once you are in the air, thats what beam was saying

 

[ZTD | TECHnology]

I don't get how a Wario has issues against PK Fire. Its a risk to use that move anytime outside of a read or to punish landings. It's even more risky to use it in the air and Wario's aerial acceleration is fantastic.

If you're playing a Ness as Bowser, mastering powershielding is a must. Any character with a lack of strong answers to projectile camping that has such a large frame needs to practice this consistently. And PK Fire from a neutral position can be reacted by the average person easily. If you get in Ness's range, Flame Breath will win more than you think. The important part is to not panic and start rolling, spot dodging or jumping blindly. PK Fire leads to setups but its moreso used as a pressure tool. If we land something out of it, bonus points.

Also keep in mind WiFi promotes certain defensive strategies more than offline play. PK Fire spam is effective in lag but won't be as effective offline. Do not mistake this as a viable Ness metagame tool. Try watching NAKAT's Ness online and see how people get around the move so you can get a good idea for how much of a window you have to punish/avoid it. It's good to see how top players react against other top players. Just remember that each character has their own individual tools for dealing with certain obstacles.

 

[Lochy]

PK fire is extremely punishable even if ness uses it sometimes. It takes time to come out and longer to get out of the animation. Approach with aerials or long range attacks if possible. Remember pk Fire can go diagonally down and straight that's it.

 

[Lochy]

You can PK fire once you are in the air, thats what beam was saying

Hey Zedd what's up? Having you been working on your guide recently?

 

[Sir_Zedd]

Hey Zedd what's up? Having you been working on your guide recently?

Been super busy over Christmas/ new years but I'm going to get onto it soon and make some major improvements!

 

[Lochy]

Been super busy over Christmas/ new years but I'm going to get onto it soon and make some major improvements!

Cool. I hope you had a good Christmas and new years. I can't wait when you start to work on the guide again.

 

[Garlic Wonder]

I think the Ness thing, is solved.

 

[Yink]

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