Pivot Grabbing

[LDSenpai]

I was told to use Pivot grabbing, I know how to use it, but I am unclear on when to ever use it in a match.

 

[Yink]

Hello!

Pivot grabs can be used to read falling opponents, attacks in general, or rolling/dodging. You can use them to gain some momentum. They work in the same way that you'd do a regular grab, but instead more of a mixup. I'd say you should be pivoting when you notice the habits of your opponent and can capitalize off of them. Ideally (at least to me), your pivot should be the result of you correctly predicting what your opponent was going to do.

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[Earthbound360]

I honestly think I need to use it more, but here are some of the situations I use it.

1. When I run under/past someone landing, I pivot grab them on landing. I only do this when they're out of aerial mobility options for the most part, or they're being obvious with their landing.
2. When someone charges at me with certain moves (like Sonic's spin dash). Don't be predictable with this use however.

I'm trying to experiment with it against people who instinctively spot dodge when I run at them. Run through the dodge and pivot grab.

Truth be told, I think Ness' pivot grab is alright. They changed how hitbox collision works in this game from Brawl, so I feel like that nerfed pivot grabs a bit, and Ness' dash speed isn't too great. The range on his pivot grab is decent, but it's not the best.

 

[The 0ne]

Well, I think people told you to use Pivot Grabbing for two reasons.

1. It has more grab range than dash grab or standing grab, plus what everyone said above.

2. When someone's on the other end of the stage, you should pivot grab them instead of dash grabbing them so you can back throw them.

 

[Meccs]

I actually accidentally pivot grab all the time. Idk why or how I'm doing it but it's a pain in the ass and has probably cost me some matches.

 

[EarthBoundEnigma]

While on the topic of pivot grabs, anyone able to explain why sometimes they fail and you'll end up doing a reverse tilt instead? (GCN controller)

 

[Noa.]

I find that if I do turn and press z at the same time it'll usually tilt. If I turn and then press z it'll always pivot grab.

 

[Earthbound360]

If you're getting tilts, you need to tighten the timing between the button press and the stick.

 

[EarthBoundEnigma]

I find that if I do turn and press z at the same time it'll usually tilt. If I turn and then press z it'll always pivot grab.

vs

If you're getting tilts, you need to tighten the timing between the button press and the stick.

 

[Earthbound360]

vs

Lol well, I tested it a good amount. Try it for yourself, but if you separate the timing by a huge margin, you'll get ftilts.

Go to training mode, dash, turn around, and wait like half a second. Then press grab, you get an ftilt. Decrease the timing gradually until it's at about the same time, and eventually you get the grab.

At least, from my experiences.

 

[The 0ne]

Yeah it's turn and grab at the same time.

The same time. Bruh

 

[Noa.]

Oops. I said I wasn't sure. :^)

I actually didn't.

But I meant to. Lol