PITTSBURGH Bi-weekly Tourny?

[__HARM__]

Hello everyone. I thought the tournament yesterday was a blast; probally the most fun i had smashen in awhile, and i just wanted to see some of your personal opinions on this.

I think it would be great if we had official tournaments every other week at duquesne. So, like one week friendlies then another tournament. If we where to do this I think the smash population in Pittsburgh would grow rapidly and other players from around the state would come down. Also by having tournaments (with no entry cost) newer players could gain expierence form the veterans in the tournament and not be hesitant to enter because they don't have to pull 15$ dollars out of there wallets knowing that thier chances are slim. I also think if we do it there should be an offical time in should start. I think 6 would be good because it gives people that live far away to have time to get there.

Well if anyone is interested in getting this started leave a post.



1/19/07 DUQ TOURNAMENT PLACINGS
1st-Swiftbass
2ND-Taki
3RD-Harm

 

[Renth]

no entry cost tournaments? if that's the case i don't think that many other people from around the state would show up because they wouldn't get anything out of it if they won. A lot of people won't go to tournaments from around the state if 1st place isn't a minium of $100 to cope for their gas and food needs on the trip. Bi-Weeklies are fine there pretty fun and it does help people get better but there's lack of insentive for people to go outside of the people that live in the immediate area.

 

[ROB_[MCC}]

no entry cost tournaments? if that's the case i don't think that many other people from around the state would show up because they wouldn't get anything out of it if they won.

Actually, they'd get a totally sweet one-of-a-kind certificate.

I don't think we'd be drawing people from over an hour and a half anyway, but it might encourage our friends from GGPD up north and some others to see what the competitive smash scene in the area is like without risking anything. We have a really good thing going at Duquesne, and I think it would be a horrible idea to get money involved. The incentive for people to come is the chance to play friendlies (with new people) for about 4-5 hours and then have a no-cost tourny to see how the really stack up. This Friday, we had 16 skilled players and 4 TVs of smash, and I think everyone really enjoyed themselves. So far, we haven't really excluded the rest of southwestern PA, but we haven't really made an effort to get some new faces to these events. I think bi-weekliy tournies might be a good way to get some more people to come and smash with us.

 

[pockyD]

i wouldn't expect anyone to travel too far anyway; it's a very informal thing (we aren't even technically guaranteed to have multiple TVs are our disposal)

i wouldn't be against having a small entry fee or something though (100% prize pot of course)

 

[__HARM__]

no entry cost tournaments? if that's the case i don't think that many other people from around the state would show up because they wouldn't get anything out of it if they won. A lot of people won't go to tournaments from around the state if 1st place isn't a minium of $100 to cope for their gas and food needs on the trip. Bi-Weeklies are fine there pretty fun and it does help people get better but there's lack of insentive for people to go outside of the people that live in the immediate area.

I am not talking really far away, maybe people form like g.g.p.d.. I think putting money into it will make it sour. Yesterday if was free and there was 16 people there. Last cybercon i went to there was about 8 who entered and it was 15$..........I am not sure if duquesne would be to thrilled with us hosting money tournaments there. I see nothing wrong with $5 bucks though. That would mean(based on last tournament) $80, and for a game thats suppose to be for FUN i would take whatever money was handed to me.

 

[__HARM__]

o and another thing for renth......people travel to your house and its far away.......theres no money tournaments at your house.......so there is some type of incentive for people to travel........also alaon and flayafritz( who live a good ways away with no transportation) do whatever they can to make it to every smash event and theres no incentive other than good matches, good times, and fun. explain that.

 

[takieddine]

If you really want people to come, lets make it happen every one or two months.

I'd have to say that an entry must be there, but since we can afford for there to be a 100% pot we can lower the entry fee a little bit. $10 is plenty good.

 

[__HARM__]

I am cool with whatever i was just throwen the idea out there.

 

[Renth]

o and another thing for renth......people travel to your house and its far away.......theres no money tournaments at your house.......so there is some type of incentive for people to travel........also alaon and flayafritz( who live a good ways away with no transportation) do whatever they can to make it to every smash event and theres no incentive other than good matches, good times, and fun. explain that.

i was just saying the typical tournament atmosphere normally have a cash prive involved. People visit me for fun and if you guys have for fun tournaments that's fine i'm just saying if there's no money involved there's not a lot of insentive for a lot of the state to visit whenever you said you hope'd it'd get more of the state to go i thought you meant the entire state not just like GGPD. XD I mean it's great if you want just locals to play in fun tournaments but i didn't mean that NOBODY would show up if there's no cash prize.

anyways...

what was the full results of the last tourn

 

[ROB_[MCC}]

Umm... I think Wes would have been forth. That's the only other one I know for sure.

 

[pockyD]

and if anyone ever wants to bring a laptop or something

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=90655

is a great program for running a tournament

edit: wes was 4th but GOT 4STOCKED BY TAKI

 

[__HARM__]

What taki did to wes was pobally one of the most amazing things i have ever seen in the game (no offence to wes, hes still one of the best)

 

[SwiftBass]

........

I am not talking really far away, maybe people form like g.g.p.d.. I think putting money into it will make it sour. Yesterday if was free and there was 16 people there. Last cybercon i went to there was about 8 who entered and it was 15$..........I am not sure if duquesne would be to thrilled with us hosting money tournaments there. I see nothing wrong with $5 bucks though. That would mean(based on last tournament) $80, and for a game thats suppose to be for FUN i would take whatever money was handed to me.

yea IMO we should leave the big entry fees to the organizations(CyberCon, TGP) and larger/more established groups(ex: team arrlington). I REALLY like the idea of $5-$7. I mean money is cool to win and makes some ppl show up, but i dont want everyone to feel pressured as if they NEED to win either. We're all cool here and we shouldnt go crazy over a few dollars, hence the cheap entry.

Furthermore, having ppl travel distances to participate WOULD be nice, but its highly unlikely and aiming @ ggpd is realistic. Alot look @ pittsburgh smash and go UGH so unfortunately we have to travel instead and try to erase that image while we can.


EDIT: with that said, GGPD should come down sometime. Or hold a tourny that we can come up to sometime. I think we should meet more often.

 

[A-Laon]

I'm personally quite content with Duq nights precisely as they are. I'm not really going to have any big objections to any small-money tournaments, but I'm also not necessarily disappointed to be without them either. Whatever works for the lot of ya' is fine by me.

 

[cowboyardee]

Tourneys are good. I'm game.

As for the entry fee though, i'd like the idea of something like $2 or $3 -- just enough of a pot (something like $20 or $30 to winner, $12-18 for second and $8-12 for third, figuring at 20 participants and 50/30/20 pay structure) to make it worthwhile for the winner or refund gas money for someone who drove in like any ggpd guys.

That would also cut down on people not entering because of money, cuz 2 or 3 bucks is small enough just to lend to someone who's short that day.

It would also cut down on me losing $5-$7 every other friday.

 

[Mogwai]

here's my opinion:

1. Weekly tourney with a very special and orrigional Smash of the day certificate.
2. Every 2 weeks, run a $5 money tourney just for the hell of it to add some extra insentive. **Not at all necessary, but it might get GGPD guys or Renth's crew, or other relatively close people to come**
3. Every month to 2 months, run a $10-15 tourney, either at Duquesne or at Naka's YMCA or whatever venue, to try to get PA/other close smashers, interested in us and building connections. We're some of the most dedicated smashers and we're getting good, getting something like this, that doesn't have the dark (although not deservedly so...) history of Cyberconxion to keep them from coming, together would be great. **These could certainly be outside of the friday night setup to keep things sacred for Friday night smash at Duquesne**

Edit: Taki was really on that game and I went on tilt after 2 lives. This does not take anything away from him or anything, but I've 4 stocked Taki before, and **** happens. So, whatever, yall can hate all you want.

 

[A-Laon]

here's my opinion:

1. Weekly tourney with a very special and orrigional Smash of the day certificate.
2. Every 2 weeks, run a $5 money tourney just for the hell of it to add some extra insentive. **Not at all necessary, but it might get GGPD guys or Renth's crew, or other relatively close people to come**
3. Every month to 2 months, run a $10-15 tourney, either at Duquesne or at Naka's YMCA or whatever venue, to try to get PA/other close smashers, interested in us and building connections. We're some of the most dedicated smashers and we're getting good, getting something like this, that doesn't have the dark (although not deservedly so...) history of Cyberconxion to keep them from coming, together would be great. **These could certainly be outside of the friday night setup to keep things sacred for Friday night smash at Duquesne**

You'll hear no arguement from me. Hell, I was impartial 10 minutes ago but this plan I'm rather fond of. Wins at every aspect. Only thing I don't really find meaningful or necessary is number 2, but ah-ha, it has been aptly labeled as such already. Genius.

Anyway, I'm game with that plan.

 

[pockyD]

$2-3 sounds fine and dandy in theory but i'd imagine very few people will have the correct amount of change (we can't have people paying in 20s or even 10s and such) such that it won't be a huge pain to work out

if people are concerned about spending too much money, i think it's a better idea to just run money tournaments more sparingly (once a month, etc) instead of dropping entry below $5

and we must not discontinue the certificates until i've gotten one

 

[Nakamaru]

I'm not so sure about this. I really like fridays as just hanging out with friends and playing smash. Also knowing that Tim won his sets pretty solidly, and im not saying people will be garanteed money, but there will be a good amount of people that will pretty much be garanteed to lose, and never get a pay out. So when we actualy do the tournaments on fridays, i see people dropping out little by little until it is just a handful of people left competing.

I like the feel of fridays right now as just being friendly, and no pressure in any way. I'd really hate to taint it. Thats why i've been working with denis from the Y to get a venue there to do stuff like this. I know you really can't beat conviniance, but i want to keep fridays what they are.

Just voicing my opinion.

 

[Mogwai]

and we must not discontinue the certificates until i've gotten one

I agree, we should never discontinue the certificates -_-.

Expanding on free smasher-of-the-day tourney at Duquesne should probably be done as desired by people who would be interested in traveling to them.

So... people who would like to come to Pittsburgh to smash with us in a tournament setting, what's your opinion?

 

[ROB_[MCC}]

I honestly feel handling money at the Duquesne NiteSpot is a bad idea. I think we should hold cash tournaments there as a last resort. We have another CyperCon coming up soon, so we'll see how that goes.

I think that every other week (since these tournies eat up alot of time) we have a cost free tourny starting at around 5:30-6:00 and award certificates to the top 3. We can use a tournament tree generator (like PockyD was talking about) to try to make it at bit more official. This way, everyone present will be encouraged to play, and we might be able to draw a few more local players. I think the goal of these friendly bi-weeklies should be to get people tournament experience, while still having a good time. Who knows, maybe someone like Mow or The Cape will show up to try and win that certificate with Indiana Jones and Jackie Chan on it.

EDIT: Evan, you think you could change the thread title from "Duquesne" to "Pittsburgh"? This way, people from the rest of PA will know where this is held. If you could also provide a link to the other Duquesne thread so people can get directions and such. Thanks.

 

[SwiftBass]

jackie chan FTW i must have the one that has jackie up there.

doing own stunts and improvising with household objects FTW!

EDIT: and naka whats with the YMCA situation?

 

[A-Laon]

Peh. Well, I like the plan, but hours skrew me over. I can almost never get to Duq on Fridays before about 7. Ah well. Hopefully the YMCA or whatnot can work out, then.

 

[Nakamaru]

I haven't herd back from denis yet. I'm going to check with him on monday and see what the situation is. Looking at the 2nd weekend in febuary.

 

[__HARM__]

i really like the idea of the bi-weeklies, money or not it will really make everyone better at tournament play while still holding true to the whole duquesne feal. IMO competitive smash is most enjoyable to me so therefore i have the most fun at tournaments. I think cowb's ideas idea was good with the 2$ dollar thing. Thats cheap enough to keep the competition fun and enjoyable for everyone. If i was a beginner i would gladly pay 2 dollars to play good people and get expierence.

and for the people who think bi weekly tournies are to much perhaps once a month?

 

[Nakamaru]

Like i said, the smasher of the day tournaments are great. Everyone gets free experience in how to play sets, counterpicks, and just over all smash. Money just changes the feel of smash for me all together. If it is just me i'll shut up, but $2 doesnt seem to bad.

Although i wouldn't think of it as people paying $2 for experience when all they have to do is ask to play a set.

 

[takieddine]

People think that we'd have a tournament every week. Its not a weekly thing.... so you can still come hang out for friendlies etc. added on top of that the small entry fee

 

[__HARM__]

i totally agree with taki, it would only be bi weekly or monthly, and like last time tvs will open up for friendlies after a couple rounds.

 

[Nakamaru]

Yea, do what the majority wants. I'm just looking at all sides of this. Who knows maybe we will rope in a few noobies from the nitespot from people just watching.

 

[cowboyardee]

honest opinion on a few things:

biweekly $ tournaments -- I'm only really down if the entry fee is low. I don't mind dropping a few bucks to keep it interesting or lure GGPD guys/mow maybe. And we're right next to a cafeteria/vending machines, etc -- how hard can it be to break a five? But higher buyins on a frequent basis? I really enjoy playing with you guys, but I don't really feel like dropping significant cash every other week for the privilege. No offense.

semi-monthly $10 or $15 -- I like this idea a lot and I'm game if it's feasible, but that brings me around to rob's (the other one) point...

the Don't Shi+ Where We Eat principle -- duquesne is a really bad place to hold tournaments with significant buyins, especially if we're drawing in people we don't know. We have a nice thing going there that relies on us flying under the radar. Get in a big argument with an out-of-towner about money issues (it seems to happen often if you look around various tournament threads), and we're probably not gonna stay under the radar. If anyone has ideas of other places we could hold an occasional real tournament, I'd be happy to hear it.

 

[__HARM__]

i agree with cowb, it should be like 2$ or for free.

 

[pockyD]

i don't care so much anyway... money isn't a huge issue for me on this; the certificate is incentive enough for me

and i honestly doubt that running a money tournament would draw any out-of-towners anyway; not a single non-regular has posted in this thread expressing interest so i doubt that we could get any significant new blood in there

 

[Dory..?]

ahh........ya i rule.....

 

[Evan-(Harm)]

whoops wrong name

 

[Dory..?]

whoops wrong name

More like (M.C.C.) is going to hurt DUQ

 

[__HARM__]

SO HERES WHERE WE ARE.

IT SEEMS THAT ALMOST EVERYONE IS LIKING THE IDEA OF BI WEEKLY TOURNAMENTS.
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT MONEY IS KIND OF A BAD IDEA SINCE WE MUST STAY "UNDER THE RADAR" AND DONT WANT ANY PROBLEMS WITH DUQUESNE. WE WILL LEAVE THE MONEY TOURNAMENTS TO CYBERCONXION.
THEREFORE, WE WILL BE PLAYING FOR THE COVETATED SMASH CERTIFICATE AND GLORY.

THE NEXT TOURNAMENT WILL BE HELD 2/2/07 AND WILL BEGIN AROUND 6:30 (FRIEDLIES PRIOR TO THAT)

I WILL EDIT THIS THREAD WITH THE NEW TOURNAMENT RESULTS EVERY TWO WEEKS.

C U ALL THERE.

(i am not in charge of these tournaments)

 

[Nakamaru]

We are good for a tournament on Sunday Febuary 11, at the Sewickley YMCA. We have the room from 12pm-6pm so we can run Teams, Singles, and whatever else we want.

Link-> http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=2072925#post2072925

 

[SwiftBass]

SO HERES WHERE WE ARE.

IT SEEMS THAT ALMOST EVERYONE IS LIKING THE IDEA OF BI WEEKLY TOURNAMENTS.
IT IS OBVIOUS THAT MONEY IS KIND OF A BAD IDEA SINCE WE MUST STAY "UNDER THE RADAR" AND DONT WANT ANY PROBLEMS WITH DUQUESNE. WE WILL LEAVE THE MONEY TOURNAMENTS TO CYBERCONXION.
THEREFORE, WE WILL BE PLAYING FOR THE COVETATED SMASH CERTIFICATE AND GLORY.

THE NEXT TOURNAMENT WILL BE HELD 2/2/07 AND WILL BEGIN AROUND 6:30 (FRIEDLIES PRIOR TO THAT)

I WILL EDIT THIS THREAD WITH THE NEW TOURNAMENT RESULTS EVERY TWO WEEKS.

C U ALL THERE.

(i am not in charge of these tournaments)

yo whats with the cybercon thread anyways? like I wanted to post about bring TV's but its like this week right?

you guys see the smashtality III GIF?

 

[Mogwai]

yea, it's aight. I wish the bear looked cooler, but eh, you can't have it all.