OOS/JC questions

[OidBirdie]

I was wondering why only upsmash/upb works for jc grounded attacks. I have tap jump off and i use x to jump btw. I figured you would be able to input any attack during the jumpsquat frames, but that doesn't work. It just comes out as an aerial, even though i play with no buffer. Why is it that only upsmash works? It can't be as simple as the running upsmash mechanic from brawl because it works the same in melee. It seems strange. Jab oos would be tooo good

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

Pretty sure it belongs here dude (I think tho) http://smashboards.com/forums/customized-content.364/

 

[Xermo]

^this isn't pertaining to customized content tho. OP's asking why does only upsmash OoS work, and not any other (grounded) attacks.

 

[Pr0fessor Flash]

^this isn't pertaining to customized content tho. OP's asking why does only upsmash OoS work, and not any other (grounded) attacks.

Ohhh ok nevermind

 

[OidBirdie]

Yeah, this relates directly to the game's mechanics. Im not really sure what you read prof. Its all good though

 

[MonkUnit]

Only attacks that you can do out of JumpSquat are Standing Grab, U-Smash, and Up-B.

 

[OidBirdie]

Okay, I'm content with that answer. Thanks for the verification.

 

[Yurya]

Okay, I'm content with that answer. Thanks for the verification.

As to why the game says that idk. But what monk unit said is correct as always. If you want to wavedash/aerial/etc you need to input your command after jumpsquat is over; preferably the very next frame for wavedash.

 

[shairn]

The reason (I assume) is because you could possibly mistakenly initiate a jump while trying to do an usmash or grounded upB.
As for grab, might be for buffering uthrow. I have no clue.

 

[MonkUnit]

For grabs, it is for Jump Canceled Grabs. http://www.ssbwiki.com/Jump-canceling

 

[shairn]

I know what it's for, I mean the original reasoning behind the mechanic. I don't really see Sakurai coming up with the idea to jump before grabbing to do a faster grab out of run/dash.

 

[Narpas_sword]

giving the player a small window to hit B or A after smashing the stick up in order to do a grounded up B or Upsmash instead of air Upb and Uair seems totally legit reasoning.

 

[Xermo]

Yeah, I can see the mechanic being designed around tap jump. If this window wasn't there, I'd only assume your average "casual" for lack of a better word, would frequently jump and u-air, instead of upsmash.

 

[Narpas_sword]

if the window wasnt there, id imagine everyone would have problems upB-ing on the ground and upsmash (without c stick)

it's not FOR people who tap jump, it prevents unwanted tap-jumping even if you are a X/Y jumper.

 

[Daftatt]

Only attacks that you can do out of JumpSquat are Standing Grab, U-Smash, and Up-B.

What about shine? Did you really think you could fool us all monk? NAY! I don't miss stuff like this!

 

[shairn]

You can't do shine out of jumpsquat, the only reason you can do a grounded shine OOS is because shine stops your vertical momentum. If you stop your vertical momentum the very frame you leave the ground, you essentially never leave the ground, thus, grounded shine.

EDIT: If you could shine out of jumpsquat multishine would be stupid easy and ********

 

[Daftatt]

You can't do shine out of jumpsquat, the only reason you can do a grounded shine OOS is because shine stops your vertical momentum. If you stop your vertical momentum the very frame you leave the ground, you essentially never leave the ground, thus, grounded shine.

EDIT: If you could shine out of jumpsquat multishine would be stupid easy and ********

ahh, you're right, I don't miss stuff like that.