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You're both standing on the ground with a decent amount of space between you. He means that you never have to approach a Shulk, it's on him to find a way into your space.
can pocket thrown (as in Side B) Pikmin. Once he has them I believe Olimar can't pluck another and as soon as Villager unpockets it the Pikmin instantly dies. That could be a super hard counter.
From my testing, Villager can only pocket purples.I don't know if anyone knew this but
Oh no I've pocketed all of them, the timing is just weird
I tested it out on the Wii U version, and I stand corrected.
Here is a brief rundown of what to do. Power shield a lot, don't use laggy moves often, trap their landings with pivots, keep purples on the ready, and be careful when recovering.
What is fox doing that shuts you down? You should be able to do your normal spacing/camping game.
High aggression hard to escape combos. In the Q/A I asked about shield options, so when he's giving lots of pressure the best I can hope for is a well timed roll. Grabs seem to be really effective, but his ability to finish me in the air makes it rough.
Well if he is putting a lot of pressure on you just try to get your space again. Rolling probably being the easiest way. I'm wondering if maybe you as a player just have trouble keeping up the wall/spacing when the opponent pushes forward with pressure onto you? Maybe try counter pressure.
Very likely- if I can I'll get a game up and shoot you a link in a message so you can see what I'm doing wrong. If you feel like it, that is. I think I might just be falling short when figuring out how much of an advantage the opponent has and then reacting with panic instead of intelligence.
If you get a game, drop it in the video thread. It helps to have multiple people watch it instead of one. Then you can get a wider array of feedback.
Be prepared to shield a lot, also when you have a Pikmin on him it takes his side-b/down-b recovery. Other than that just respect his options.
Be careful about how fast and lagless he can be. His nair can lead into a lot of stuff. Just try and keep him out of your space with purples and land the punishes when you can. I find it to be one of the tougher MUs, but it's doable. As for beating his dash attack, idk about that lol.
You happen to have a video by a replay by any chance? Purple pikmin and spacing yourself out (as much as possible) while on the ground situations are guaranteed musts (im sure u knew that.) Also maybe trying doing random things like standing and just stalling for the heck of it then attking when he lags or DI a different direction perhaps with his combos? As far as recovery sometimes I fly onto the stage and nair on landing, or maybe on the ledge since there are several options IE rolling back up/attking/jumpin then attking with aerial/delay when u chose an option while they are trying to read you. In the end I feel like you may have been flustered to the point where it made it easier for him as you could've been predictable, seems like much mind games and state of mind in addition to match-up disadvantages imo.
Its not a 100% counter if you look at it from the perspective of a mindgame. Yes on paper it basically makes all of your smashes reflect back and hit you very hard but that's why be smart when you use them agaisnt characters with reflecting moves. I tend to go for just pikmin throw,aerials and non pikmin moves more so against those characters unless you are a safe distance away its mostly read based since when they use a reflect move there is lag and like always you punish. Dunno bout characters that clear of pikmin but honestly pikmin can be removed easily I just think of pikmin as an annoyance that makes them wanna react either leave them alone or waste there thoughts thinking about removing them while you capitalize they kill and I just respawn more and throw more something like that. For kirby space yourself with fsmash remember your greatest advantage is the range fsmash has with olimar, farm for purples and power shield like myran said for matchups like charizard and his flare blitz.
With a Fox/Mario type of reflector it isn't that bad since they can't block everything, and even if they do reflect the pikmin can just be recalled. But Palutena's reflect wall doesn't require any reading at all on her part. She can just constantly camp and keep a reflect out and it completely shuts Olimar down. The point with Kirby is that he can clear multiple pikmin without taking much damage at all making racking up damage take longer, but I agree with the rest of your post.
Yea, they made Kirby's copy against Olimar pretty annoying with the knock back. The inhale isn't too difficult to avoid fortunately.
It's a pretty laggy move, so you just have to wait for him to use it and then run up and grab him or something. The Mario/ Dr. Mario match up is pretty annoying if they get some good reads you could end up dead at 45% lol. I hesitate to use smashes at high percent and instead rely on other ways of killing my opponent.
If he is juggling you there are a couple things to do. I'll list them in the order I prefer to do them. Drift to the side of the stage towards the ledge, try to land on the ground with an aerial to hit him away, or whistle the hit. They are all pretty situational, but I find it best when getting juggled to just try and work your way to the ledge.
If you have a Pikmin latched onto him and he does say a spindash for example it makes him more vulnerable to your attacks and slower making it easier to react. Latching Pikmin onto him is a big way to consistently punish him.
One key thing u should know about samus and her fully charged blaster is that one pikmin cancels it out. I would reccomend using pikmin as things to cancel out his projectiles then approach. Or perhaps stand in place make him come to you and camp. Remember olimar's pikmin all die but he can replenish them just as fast as they die. And remember power shield again like Myran has said is a very very useful in that matchup. Also purples are nice when u just short hop and throw them towards him it makes them want to either shield or get hit but in the end its a nice disrupting tool. (that goes with any matchup with purples honestly lol)
I was definitely getting outplayed mentally! I felt like I didn't have any time to even think about strategy. I wish I had a video. I should've saved it. I still haven't used that feature yet.