Olimar vs. Mario

[~ Gheb ~]

Hello Olimar mainers.

I recently took a look into your match-up thread to find out some stuff and I saw that the Olimar vs. Mario match-up was considered "50:50" and I can't really understand why. I used to fight quite a lot of good Olimars with Mario and I think, that Mario has the advantage here.

- Mario's Cape ***** Olimar. It bounces back his pikmin and destroys his recovery
- Mario's Fireballs cancel Olimars pikmin
- Mario's Fludd can gimp Olimars recovery
- Not sure about this but I think Olimar can't Shield Grab Marios aerials. Spotdodge/Jab are faster than his grab
- Mario's Fireball makes approaching very safe

Maybe the Olimars I fought weren't too good or I am missing something essentially but I fail to see why Mario has no advantage against him. Could somebody tell me what Olimar has on him?

 

[Weruop]

- Mario's Cape ***** Olimar. It bounces back his pikmin and destroys his recovery.
how does it destroy his recovery? also. when ever mario uses his cape, it just leaves him open. using pikmin as a distraction is part of olimars game

- Mario's Fireballs cancel Olimars pikmin
not red ones.also, we dont have to be throwing pikmin all throughout the match to be a good olimar

- Mario's Fludd can gimp Olimars recovery
unless we air dodge. rite?

- Not sure about this but I think Olimar can't Shield Grab Marios aerials. Spotdodge/Jab are faster than his grab
if anyone spaces themself from the shield grab, they can hit olimar. SK92 , a few months ago, wood land somewhat out infront of me, and i wood try and grab but get ***** by a falco f smash. u just have to be fast and smart about it, and u can shield grab any1

- Mario's Fireball makes approaching very safe.
pivot grabs.

 

[Weruop]

by pvitog rabs, i mean run past mario ( under his fireballs therfore) and pivot grab.

 

[Olimarman]

Pivot grabs are win

 

[CALOZ]

You know i kinda have trouble with mario users especially the best ones. And i guess all of those things you say are true. And wats a pivot grabs?

 

[Barge]

You know i kinda have trouble with mario users especially the best ones. And i guess all of those things you say are true. And wats a pivot grabs?

you pivot, then grab them, o_o. And yeah, olimar mainers dont throw pikmin the whole game.

 

[Plum]

The only people who throw pikmin the entire match are the people who you just ***** as Olimar online, who then switch to Oli thinking they will win now and don't know how to do anything else.
But who likes "With Anyone" anyways? *cough* unless I'm looking for a taunt party *cough*
Olimar can grab whatever he wants. That's just how cool he is.

 

[CometStar]

According to the Mario boards, Olimar is listed as a hard matchup. No one has any reasons for this posted on their side that i could find.
I fail to see how Mario would have a good approach game on Olimar, even with fireballs red pikmin will just fly through those. If it were say another type of pikmin they would just cancel out the fireball and maybe die but not always. This does not make any difference to Olimar as he can pluck another one with ease.
As for the cape a good Oli will throw one or two for in order to make you whip out the cape but will then punish your lag afterwards.
Mario can be shield grabbed out of his some of his aerials.

 

[Barge]

About the Fludd, usually I go under the stage before I tether, just a little bit, and I dont think his fludd can go below it.

 

[Puddin]

So you just saw the numbers, got upset and posted how Mr. Average ***** Olimar?

Most of the time Olimar will be SHing or Jumping to throw Pikmin, especially against Mario because he's short. In which case the Cape will reflect the Pikmin at such an angle that it couldn't even latch onto Olimar, and it's the same thing as we said with Pit we can obviously predict you will try to reflect the Pikmin and whistle them back before they are even half way to us.

Same thing for the fireballs, since we will be jumping most of the time to latch the Pikmin the will be able to avoid the Fireballs altogether.

But right now you and me both are putting to big of an emphasis on the Pikmin throw. While it is a big part of Olimars game it isn't the only thing he can do.

Also, Marios UpB kills all Pikmin. Terrible tactic to try and kill them with unless you jump off the edge on purpose and use it to recover...which is still a terrible tactic.

 

[asob4]

monk says 60-40 oli's favor
end of discussion ^^
haha

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Go easy on me guys. I never said, that Mario > Olimar. I just wanted to hear some reasons why it shoudn't be that way.

 

[OlimarFan]

Go easy on me guys. I never said, that Mario > Olimar. I just wanted to hear some reasons why it shoudn't be that way.

I have healthy respect for Mario. If Mario didn't exist, Olimar wouldn't exist.

 

[Excellence]

- Personality, this matchup is a pain in the ***, just because you don't have the luxury of not spamming back. Mario's main problem is his range, he hasn't got any. Olimar's strength is range, he's got plenty.

- Let's stop using the word '****' on the forums please, it sounds too amature and juvenial. Mario's Cape is not a problem. Any Olimar recovering isn't using the tether from an angle where Mario's cape can even reach it. If Mario is at that angle, it's going to be below stage and the tether isn't going to move towards Mario, but the ledge meaning he's gimped and now dead. If you're throwing more than two Pikmin on a time at anyone other than Bowser, we've got some problems. The Cape leaves Mario open and reflects the Pikmin at an angle that won't hit Olimar.

- Fire Balls are not faster than Pikmin Spam. Mario is going to have Pikmin slapping him from all directions which the Fire Ball won't counter. I don't think I have to get into what Red Pikmin will do if latched near his hand.

- Fludd can only Gimp Olimar's recovery when one uses the Pikmin Spear from above stage in an attempt to overshoot the ledge and make it back on stage. We only use that when being ledgehogged. Since you can't be in two places at once, there's no way to use Fludd from the ledge and it means nothing.

- Olimar can shield Mario's aerials, and Olimar's A-A combo will knock Mario out of range and Olimar can then grab.

- Fire Balls are a pain, and do make for a safe approach, but you could always reverse-pivot grab.

I think that's about it. I see the match going in Olimar's favor, but for an Olimar who's facing his first good Mario it's going to be rough.