Olimar/Alph 1.0.8 changes??

[Wigglybear]

I've been messing around all day with all the new characters and old characters who received buffs, but I wasn't able to notice anything for olimar! Anyone notice any buffs/nerfs?

 

[Myran]

None, except for his Pikmin lineup reversal being patched out. If you don't know what that is it was pretty much whenever he grabbed the ledge a certain way his lineup would be reverse order when he got off the ledge. Everything else is the same.

 

[Wigglybear]

None, except for his Pikmin lineup reversal being patched out. If you don't know what that is it was pretty much whenever he grabbed the ledge a certain way his lineup would be reverse order when he got off the ledge. Everything else is the same.

*sigh* always hoping for a little buff

 

[Indexxical!]

*sigh* always hoping for a little buff

Just be glad he wasn't nerfed. I'm actually quite glad his order will stay the same now. And who knows, maybe we did get a buff in certain areas.

 

[Myran]

I'm sad and happy. The consistency is nice, but the mixup was also nice.

 

[koken]

I'm not quite sure but, the time between the grab and the next input seems shorter for me with Olimar and longer for other characters.
May that be possible?

 

[Myran]

I'm not quite sure but, the time between the grab and the next input seems shorter for me with Olimar and longer for other characters.
May that be possible?

Highly unlikely, Olimar's standing/dash grab just have a lot of lag normally.

 

[koken]

Roger that, thank you.

 

[Angbad]

I know this is probably placebo, but my up air was going through a lot more yesterday than I thought it should.

 

[Myran]

I know this is probably placebo, but my up air was going through a lot more yesterday than I thought it should.

What do you mean, like connecting more? I haven't noticed anything.

 

[Angbad]

What do you mean, like connecting more? I haven't noticed anything.

I meant Priority-wise.

 

[Myran]

I meant Priority-wise.

Oh I'm pretty sure that it's unchanged, but I can test. Seems odd that if anything was changed uair would be the only one touched. Considering Pikmin themselves are why they clank and not the aerial.

 

[Indexxical!]

Oh I'm pretty sure that it's unchanged, but I can test. Seems odd that if anything was changed uair would be the only one touched. Considering Pikmin themselves are why they clank and not the aerial.

If I remember correctly, pikmin had priority in brawl, no?

 

[Myran]

If I remember correctly, pikmin had priority in brawl, no?

I don't exactly know the mechanics of Pikmin in Brawl. It's been awhile since I played, and even then I wasn't super familiar with them in that game compared to Smash 4. I do believe they're different to an extent in this game. I don't remember my smashes losing all the time in Brawl.

 

[NotAsian]

How would you guys buff olimar?

 

[Myran]

Giving Pikmin the same priority as normal moves so we didn't lose trades all the time. Thats really all he needs.

 

[Soulimar]

If I remember correctly, pikmin had priority in brawl, no?

One of my fondest memories of brawl is yellow f-smashing through mk's tornado :') Good times those were

 

[Freezie KO]

I just want the projectile status removed from smashes. That's all I ask.

 

[Blue Banana]

Hey, this isn't exactly related to the 1.0.8 patch, but I did want to point out something that's still related to Olimar that hasn't been discussed in this sub-forum.

I started testing KO percentages again now that I have a lot of free time on my hands, but I noticed that Olimar's smash attacks killed a little later than last time I tested them (during 1.0.4, I think?). Percentages are tested w/ a red Pikmin on Mario w/ behavior set to "Control", at the center of the ground platform on Battlefield, and DI'ing horizontally toward the stage for Fsmash and Dsmash and DI'ing away for Usmash.

Patch|Fsmash|Usmash|Dsmash
1.0.4|114|108|139
1.0.8|121|112|152

I looked around on the Competitive Discussion forum and saw that there were changes to six of Olimar's Pikmin attacks in base knockback and knockback growth, back in the 1.0.6 patch. So I'm guessing that Olimar's smash attacks were 3 of those 6 Pikmin attacks.

 

[Myran]

Possibly, but was vectoring in the game during 1.0.4? I can't remember.

 

[Blue Banana]

I think the vectoring/DI changes happened in the 1.0.4 patch.

 

[Myran]

I think the vectoring/DI changes happened in the 1.0.4 patch.

Alright, well nice of you to bring up these numbers.

 

[NotAsian]

So they nerfed some smashes? Seems odd to me. Anyway I think we need a frame 3 Nair that auto cancels like everyone else in the game also a faster aerial movement I swear he has the worst fast fall in the game I can't ever get back down to the ground

 

[Flawlessh]

So they nerfed some smashes? Seems odd to me. Anyway I think we need a frame 3 Nair that auto cancels like everyone else in the game also a faster aerial movement I swear he has the worst fast fall in the game I can't ever get back down to the ground

our nair is fine, it combo's into smashes on heavy's and uptilt on pretty much the rest of the cast. and if you have trouble getting back to the stage, just fall to the left or right and grab the ledge.

 

[koken]

Nice! Thanks for this @ Blue Banana

 

[Freezie KO]

So they nerfed some smashes? Seems odd to me. Anyway I think we need a frame 3 Nair that auto cancels like everyone else in the game also a faster aerial movement I swear he has the worst fast fall in the game I can't ever get back down to the ground

If Olimar had a safe way back to solid ground, he'd be on the verge of S tier.

 

[koken]

If Olimar had a safe way back to solid ground, he'd be on the verge of S tier.

Totally agree, it supposed to be Little Mac the god of the ground, which really is but with so few aerials option, I think we are far better on ground.
Just for the record... little mac destroys me xD.

 

[Myran]

Olimar's aerial options aren't that bad guys, trust me it could be much worse.

 

[NotAsian]

Speaking of buffs I can't stand our jab i wish we could do one jab then grab like my gamenwatch but no lol I hit jab then grab and it jabs again

 

[Blue Banana]

Speaking of buffs I can't stand our jab i wish we could do one jab then grab like my gamenwatch but no lol I hit jab then grab and it jabs again

You can do jab1 -> jab2 -> grab at mid-low percents on most characters.

 

[Indexxical!]

You can do jab1 -> jab2 -> grab at mid-low percents on most characters.

And the tip of your punches do 1% extra damage. Yeah, try grabbing after the 2nd punch; this is also a safe "get off me so I can pluck more pikmin" option.

 

[Freezie KO]

I use jab a lot when I'm afraid a pointblank shield grab isn't going to work.