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Official Nintendo Tourney "Warstory" From Philly Up - Post #8

CT Chia

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I just realized we don't have a thread running for the official tourney going on now

http://www.pokemonvgc.com/en/events/

There's been 4 qualifiers already and the 5th is tomorrow in PA.

Has anyone attended any?
Anyone plan to go to any?
How have you guys placed if you have gone?

I'll be at the PA one tomorrow :)
 

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MOW, JOIN AND MAKE US PROUD!!!!!
so that caps will stay and make a point
 

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lol Wobbufett isn't banned, that should be interesting.

However, does 2-on-2 format mean double battles?
 

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lol Wobbufett isn't banned, that should be interesting.

However, does 2-on-2 format mean double battles?
I don't know how well Wobb would work anyway. He works better in standard battles IMO.

I'm not sure if anyone else is going tomorrow, but if you want some practice, my Plat FC is 3781-6337-7954. Unfortunately, I can't make it, but there should be one next year.

Chibo's teams have all been really good, so he'll definitely do well. We were doing a bunch of practice matches yesterday and every single one was close.
 

supermarth64

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Wobbufett isn't that great in doubles, as you can just not touch it and then Taunt it later.

Expect many Follow Me leads, FEAR Smeargles, and TR teams. Oh, and Metagross also.
 

CT Chia

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I don't know how well Wobb would work anyway. He works better in standard battles IMO.

I'm not sure if anyone else is going tomorrow, but if you want some practice, my Plat FC is 3781-6337-7954. Unfortunately, I can't make it, but there should be one next year.

Chibo's teams have all been really good, so he'll definitely do well. We were doing a bunch of practice matches yesterday and every single one was close.
Yea are matches are too nice.

We need a few more tonight, I put what I think are the final touches on my team. I think its ready to go gold.
 

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Edit - I just realized how long this post is lol, I like to type.

I know ahead of time they said that the 128 who got in would be random and fully accepted that. Perhaps I thought some sort of edge would be given to people who showed up earlier. Nope. I then realized that is one of the poorest ways to run a tournament.

I used to live in Philadelphia all up until a week ago when the lease on my apartment expired and I decided to live at home for the summer to catch up on cash. Home happens to be near Atlantic City in Jersey, so I didn't want to travel up Saturday morning. I found a friend's place at college to stay over on Friday night. I woke up just before 8am Friday to make it to class on time with my commute time of like 2 hours to college now, did my classes, met up with my friend, etc. We haven't chilled for a while, and a bunch of other friends showed up, and before I knew it, it was 4am. Looks like I'm not going to sleep! I had planned to leave early to get a great spot in line and hopefully nab some breakfast on the way since the last time I ate was around 8PM the night before. I leave at 5:30am for a bus that left at 6:20am which was like a 20 minute walk away. Why? I don't know. I thought I would find a place to eat on the way and my friend was asleep anyway. There wasn't anything, and I stood at the bus stop for a good half hour.

Took a half hour bus ride to the convention center, thinking there would be a food place nearby... nope! Walked into the convention center at 7am, a cool hour and a half before registration starts. I'm tired and hungry, I was nearing being up for 24 hours at this point. I'm falling asleep as I'm checking stats of various pokemon on my laptop in line still practicing making sure I have everything down.

The line I was in was ridiculous. It got more and more jumbled, and eventually they just said it wasn't really a line, so of course people from the back tried to rush up towards the front. I kept my same general placement though. We got into the giant area it was held in where a line was immediately formed for reg. More waiting... When I finally got up to the desk it was about 9am, so after standing in line for about 2 hours tired and hungry all in a crowd, I found out I was #108 in line - Lickitung. Uhg, I hate Lickitung...

Still however, seeing that I was within the first 128 people gave me a good feeling, despite it not meaning anything.

While on the search for food I found some vending machines. I eventually went right for the Red Bull machine for a $3 can to help keep me awake, and then found that I had no more change for the snack machine :/
I got word that there was food stuff upstairs - there wasn't. The breakfast concession stand were pretty terrible, I didn't want to pay so much money for that food. To give you an idea, a bottle of water was $3.
Eventually around 10am or so a lunch concession stand opened up. Things were still overpriced such as a small cheesesteak and fries being $8, but I opted for the nachos and cheese - a plentiful serving for $4. It sucks, but it was probably the most cost effective thing on the menu. While walking around the venue, I gotta say, it was extremely tough trying to carry around my very heavy bookbag (with all my school books from the previous day and stuff like clothes I needed when stayin' over my friends place), having very baggy jeans on without a belt since I lost my belt when I moved out of my apartment, and while trying to hold an order of cheesy nachos and eating them without making a mess. There was no seats practically the entire time, so I had been standing since 7am this whole time. I felt like I was going to die.

I kept optimistic however, as that morning I finally found the last key pokemon my team needed, which I think had what it took to get to the top. I guess I'll post my team...

... I don't remember all of the EVs and Natures off the top of my head, but they're pretty obvious considering the sets I'm running.

-Main 4-

Ambipom @ Life Orb
-Fake Out
-Last Resort

Porygon-Z @ Choice Specs
-Tri-Attack
-Ice Beam
-Dark Pulse
-HP Fighting

Gengar @ Focus Sash
-Shadow Ball
-HP Ice
-Thunderbolt
-Explosion

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
-Outrage
-Dragon Claw
-Fire Fang
-Earthquake

-Alternates-

Zapdos @ Leftovers
-Thunderbolt
-Heat Wave
-Roost
-HP Grass

Houndoom @ Choice Specs (Houndoom was originally used in Porygon-Z's place)
-Flamethrower
-Overheat
-Dark Pulse
-HP Ice

Ambipom is a monster as a lead in doubles. Fake Out lets me choose one of their starters not to go first, normally the one that would outspeed Porygon-Z. The only problems Ambipom has are with Ghost and Steel pokemon which Porygon-Z handles with HP Fight and Dark Pulse. In the approx 50/50 chance that Z's download ability increases his SAtk, it's pretty **** amazing, and Tri-Attack will start like OHKO'ing anything if I don't use an element attack for a super effective hit.
Other options was to Fake Out first turn on whichever one is a threat for Garchomp to safely switch in place of Z, then either switch Ambipom to Gengar while I EQ with Chomp, or continue to sweep with Outrage + Last Resort. Gengar came in use for revenge killing sweeping dragons when Garchomp wasn't available, or possibly using Explosion in some rare situations. I needed a filler move, and I found a couple instances where it could be used as a nice curve ball.
The reason for Houndoom as the old role of Porygon-Z was that it dealt with the Steel and Ghost types Ambipom couldn't handle with ease. Spec'd flamethrower and dark pulse with him is kind of **** with the STAB bonuses. Zapdos is just an overall good pokemon that could have taken the part of Gengar both having the ground resistance, both with electrical attacks (I didn't like Discharge on it though), but Gengar just seemed to work better in the end on average.

Ok so the numbers are finally about to be announced. I'm very anxious about this. Everyone is crowding around the medium size TVs located amongst the room pushing and shoving etc. This was all very hard to stand in with a bunch of cheesy nachos in your hand :/

I had heard people like Marriland (it was funny seeing him there btw, and I chatted with him a lil) saying that this turn out was bigger than all of the past events combined. People at the event estimated it to be in the 600s, but a forum post on Smogon earlier said that it was in the 900s. And so the numbers were shown... No 108. 109 was called, and I was ready to find the person who stood behind me the whole morning and strangle him, but I kept my anger at ease. Not everyone did though lol, as when some people stormed off in anger they knocked down signs, yelled and such - but you really can't blame them. Only taking 128 entrants randomly from about 900? If that many people come - you just have to find a way to let more. I host tournaments for Smash all the time (including the biggest National tournament that Brawl has had), and you just can't let that many people leave unhappy. I'm sure adding an extra round at the beginning wouldn't be terrifying time-wise for them. Also, taking in people randomly... Numbers from the 600s were called, and yet numbers 1-9 weren't called (10 was the first on the list). So that means some players who showed up at the last minute got in over people that waited there from the very beginning - probably around 6am is my guess. I guess since there are so many random elements in Pokemon - why not make tournaments also random lol.

I could have stayed around another 15 min to get the Shiny Milotic, but I didn't care anymore. I just wanted to leave from the mood I was in. All the practicing gone to waste. Finding a place to stay in Philly the night before which inadvertedly led to me being up all night before it went to waste. Buying the game a few days before the tournament for $35 + tax was a waste practically (since I'll admit I was playing a backup of it, but then was able to buy the legit version and transfer my save file onto it through the magic of homebrew), but atleast now I can connect to PBR no problems. The money spent on transportation was gone to waste. The $7 for a Red Bull + Nachos went to waste. It sucked, it really did. There were plenty of people at the event who traveled from NY or MD/VA. I think I also heard of a person or two flying in for the event.

So that was it... I went back to the bus stop to wait for the bus along with a couple other annoyed people who didn't make it. Long story short however, a bus didn't show up for over 2 hours. Two busses were scheduled to arrive during that time, but they just didn't. Fun times. I was even more annoyed as some people started to show up later that were in the tournament but got knocked out and heard some of them talking. One quote in particular that made me cringe was "There we're so many problems with my team, and then I realized what I had to do. I gave everyone Hyper Beam and then all of my problems we're solved." Another person who came out that made it in but was eliminated round 1 was playing some people so I challenged him. I forget his line up, it was practically are starter pokemon. I 4-0'd him, not taking a single hit. The only damage I took was from Life Orb. I was faster every turn, and OHKO'd him every attack except from the first Fake Out. Another person I heard at the bus stop that made it was a kid's dad who didn't know what the status Sleep was.

I just got home and started typing this. I got home around 3:35pm after leaving the tourney at 10:30am. Not having a car sucks. So after everything I went through (and I'm sure there were others that went through just as much if not worse) and all I got was this...



lol I love that costume of Turtwig.
 

CT Chia

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im considering holding in rl poke tourneys now considering the attendance it got. im posting on smogon about it to see if they like the idea
 

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Dude, that suuuucks. I guess it's a good thing that I didn't go...... :( At least I could have kept you company, though, d***.

(I overslept and missed TUSM's, btw, big surprise?)

I would definitely support a tournament somewhere around here. Some singles, though, please..... I was pretty upset that the Nintendo one was doubles only.

I wonder if Mister_E made it into the actual tourney. He drove all the way from VA..... :urg:
 

CT Chia

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the beauty of events that we handle is that we can do it however we want. we can do singles and doubles similar to smash tourneys.
 

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Sucks you didn't get a chance to compete, Chibo.

We were hoping for a tournament here in Norway but that didn't happend. Me and a friend of mine plan on attending next year in England though and we've been preparing for this since last year so we feel we have a good shot at this. I really hope there's a online registration next year so we'll know we're guaranteed a spot when we get there; another Philly-incident would be the worst thing ever.
 

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That is a lot of people they turned away. Random selection has to be the worst idea ever. Pre registration would have been a lot better. Also if they were getting that many people they should have tried to let more people play.

I support the idea of doing pokemon tournaments. It would be nice to see the pokemon community get involved in the more social aspects of competitive gaming.
 

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Would we use an existing site to establish the in person pokemon battling or would we create are own type of Smash Boards but for pokemon?
There are a lot of things that need to be discussed, like what kind of tournament, weather it would be round robin or double elimination, among many other things.
I say we do it :3
 

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Just found this out on Smogon's forums lastnight.

If there is anyone interested in going to Nationals in St Louis (on the 27th), that's your last chance to qualify.
 

metalmonstar

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I think Smogon and smashboards are plenty for advertising. It would just take a bit of work to the get the smogon people to back up the idea.

One thing that is concerning is whether or not we can generate interest in this. The national tournaments are much better advertised and bring in tons of less than competitive players. I think the step up to real tournaments where you have to pay to play will turn the majority of people off. Especially considering the main pokemon demographic is kids.

In essence Chibo, or whoever else decided to operate in person pokemon tournaments, would have to baby the community. Mostly this would be done by pairing pokemon with Smash. It would certainly be a slow process and may be years before the pokemon scene is strong enough to support itself.

Another challenge comes with ruleset. With the no risk/reward tournaments of shoddy and WiFi, tournament organizers don't have to worry about well constructed ruleset, random factors, or time constraints. Each of these obstacles will bring up their own challenges that the community hasn't faced.

That is my assesment on things. I would like to support the idea and have no problem with trying to build up the community. Every competitive game has to start somewhere. The advantage with pokemon is that there are already several large and dedicated sites to its competitive play.

On smogon some players suggest running 3 vs 3 for the first rounds until the finals which would be 6 vs 6. This would save on time. However I have a feeling that 3 vs 3 will be a slightly or totally different metagame than 6 vs 6.

Will tournaments be run best out of three? Due to time constraints it may be best to hope that double elimination prevents the random factors from becoming an issue.

Will tournaments be run on DS or through Battle revolution? If it is done by DS then how will standard rules such as sleep clause be implemented?
 
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