not grabbing the ledge after a wavedash??

[looking guy]

Hi everybody, so when I do a full long wavedash backwards next to the ledge trying to edgehog with falcon and marth (I know this isn't marth discussion forum but it happens with him too) i would perform a perfect wavedash but also continue to fall off stage without grabbing the ledge. I have experimented with fox and falco and that doen't happen with them no matter how horizontal/long the wavedash is; I also know that if you hold the stick down (fast fall) whe trying to edgehog you won't be able to grab the ledge with any character, however i'm pretty sure I realease the stick pretty quickly and the direction I input is not low angled/downwards. SO does anyone know why this happens with falcon and marth??

 

[KingKirb]

if you have a video I could tell you better, but it sounds like you may be fast-falling even though you're not trying to. try letting go of the control stick completely right after you wavedash. I hope I could help (or maybe someone else knows what is happening)

 

[carnivore]

holding away also stops you from grabbing the ledge. to fix it I usually just tap down to fast fall to the ledge (this is better anyway), but if i'm not confident in my timing i just hold inwards to the stage and that always works

 

[looking guy]

holding away also stops you from grabbing the ledge. to fix it I usually just tap down to fast fall to the ledge (this is better anyway), but if i'm not confident in my timing i just hold inwards to the stage and that always works

holding away doesn't stop from grabbing the ledge unless you have already grabbed it, trust me, I have tested this a lot, on the other hand, holding the stick down does makes you miss the ledge

 

[looking guy]

I have done multiple tests with characters these few days and I can tell you some facts: besides falcon and marth the others characters with that issue/peculiarity are peach,mewtwo, link,young link and puff; with the rest of the cast you won't see this happening, try it yourself.

 

[carnivore]

holding away doesn't stop from grabbing the ledge unless you have already grabbed it, trust me, I have tested this a lot, on the other hand, holding the stick down does makes you miss the ledge

are we talking about the same thing here??
http://gfycat.com/DistinctImpracticalChick#?speed=0.5

 

[looking guy]

are we talking about the same thing here??

EXACTLY!!!.. what program is that? excuse my ignorance.

 

[carnivore]

it's dolphin emulator, and if you look at the inputs you can see i hold away as i wavedash off, that's what causes falcon (and as you noticed some other characters) to slide off without grabbing the ledge.

you can do something similar on fox/falco if you back air as soon as you're in the air

 

[looking guy]

Ok BUT your first input was very diagonal, one could no say if that was more donwwards than sidewards, THEN you slide the stick from there to the side without letting go the stick to neutral, which is not how I ( and pretty much nobody ) do it, also it is not necessary to move the stick too horizontaly in order to get a full long wavedash (actually if you do so, you will do an airdodge and fall hepless) imagine the control stick sorrounded by clock numbers, the most ideal/less risky place to input the stick is toward 8 for a full long WD

 

[looking guy]

it's dolphin emulator, and if you look at the inputs you can see i hold away as i wavedash off, that's what causes falcon (and as you noticed some other characters) to slide off without grabbing the ledge.

you can do something similar on fox/falco if you back air as soon as you're in the air

Ok BUT your first input was very diagonal, one could no say if that was more donwwards than sidewards, THEN you slide the stick from there to the side without letting go the stick to neutral, which is not how I ( and pretty much nobody ) do it, also it is not necessary to move the stick too horizontaly in order to get a full long wavedash (actually if you do so, you will do an airdodge and fall hepless) imagine the control stick sorrounded by clock numbers, the most ideal/less risky place to input the stick is toward 8 for a full long WD

 

[carnivore]

i'm not arguing what a perfect wavedash is, i'm just answering your question.
there are two cases where falcon can wavedash off and not grab the ledge,
1. you fast fall past it
2. you hold away from it

so knowing this, which case applies to you? since you're doing perfect wavedashes, close to horizontal, you're holding away enough as you go past the ledge to not grab it. simple.

 

[looking guy]

i'm not arguing what a perfect wavedash is, i'm just answering your question.
there are two cases where falcon can wavedash off and not grab the ledge,
1. you fast fall past it
2. you hold away from it

so knowing this, which case applies to you? since you're doing perfect wavedashes, close to horizontal, you're holding away enough as you go past the ledge to not grab it. simple.

none. I do a perfect wavedash but I DO NOT hold away from it, I have focused on releasing the stick as fast as possible (and I do it naturally all the time with every character I play). man I have even tried this in the practice mode at 1/4 letting the stick go to neutral ASAP, which at normal speed would be insanely fast and I don't grab the ledge anyways.