Not a fan of FS's?

[Ess oh Aytch]

Anyone here besides me not really a fan of this "FS" business? The fact that you need them to actually play as Zero Suit Samus grinds my gears a bit.

 

[Rikka]

If the Smash Ball doesn't always appear at the same place at the same interval of time, then I agree.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

I just kind of find it ridiculous that you have to grab a rare Smash Ball before everyone else just to play as ZSS. Already one character down for competitive play.

 

[Rikka]

Meh, I still have hope she can be played another way. Small hope.

 

[TheSpindoctor]

I love final smashes!!!

i think they are a great idea.


nuff said.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

Anyone here besides me not really a fan of this "FS" business? The fact that you need them to actually play as Zero Suit Samus grinds my gears a bit.

Topic has been done before. Watch out for the hundreds of people that are going to call you a ''tourney***'' and such for daring to be ticked off over an item being required to select a character that quite frankly looks like an awesome one.

Just sayin'

But yeah I am not a fan of the final smash at all, I think sakurais trying to make it a big part of the game not realizing that many smashers prefer to play with items off, most smashers I have met anyway.

 

[Yellow Mage]

Family Guy sucks, by the way.

 

[maxpower1227]

I'm gonna laugh when everyone finds out that you don't need a Smash Ball to play as Zero Suit Samus

And as for the topic at hand, I love the idea of Final Smashes, and I'm looking forward to some utterly spectacular particle effects in some of them.

 

[Yellow Mage]

The Dojo site begs to differ.

Don't want Smah balls? Can't play as ZSS. Sorry, tourney guys.

 

[maxpower1227]

The Dojo site begs to differ.

Don't want Smah balls? Can't play as ZSS. Sorry, tourney guys.

The Dojo site says that the Zero Laser destroys Samus' power suit and leaves her as Zero Suit Samus. It does NOT say that that is the ONLY way to play as her. The fact that ZSS is an entry separate from Samus in the Character section (whereas Gigabowser is not), as well as the fact that I fully believe that Sakurai and Co. are not completely stupid, lead me to believe that you will be able to switch between the two Samuses at will, with the Final Smash just incorporating an enormous laser.

(You are right about Family Guy sucking though, fwiw)

 

[Bassoonist]

I like the idea of Final Smashes... and I hope the item appears randomly.

However I hope there are other ways to get ZSS.

 

[Cubelarooso]

I'm geussing you won't be able to switch bewteen Samus and Zamus at will. I do think you'd be able to choose between Samus and Zamus at the beginning of the battle, maybe by holding A.

I really don't like the idea of Fishs. I hate that you need an item to pull off a charcter specific attecks. I'd much rather prefer a B-Throw and/or (depending on how crawling works) crawl-B.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

Family Guy sucks, by the way.

I don't associate "grind my gears" with Family Guy.

Topic has been done before. Watch out for the hundreds of people that are going to call you a ''tourney***'' and such for daring to be ticked off over an item being required to select a character that quite frankly looks like an awesome one.

Just sayin'

But yeah I am not a fan of the final smash at all, I think sakurais trying to make it a big part of the game not realizing that many smashers prefer to play with items off, most smashers I have met anyway.

Yeah, well, this is the discussion. All people who come to this topic and post "OMG WHO CARES ITS SUCH A GREAT IDEA WHO CARES ABOUT TOURNEYS" is probably in the wrong topic. Saying that without giving an in-depth answer is just stupid.

 

[Yellow Mage]

The Dojo site says that the Zero Laser destroys Samus' power suit and leaves her as Zero Suit Samus. It does NOT say that that is the ONLY way to play as her. The fact that ZSS is an entry separate from Samus in the Character section (whereas Gigabowser is not), as well as the fact that I fully believe that Sakurai and Co. are not completely stupid, lead me to believe that you will be able to switch between the two Samuses at will, with the Final Smash just incorporating an enormous laser.

(You are right about Family Guy sucking though, fwiw)

The only reason she's listed as a different charactor and Giga Bowser isn't is because the results of thier individual Final Smashes are different.

For Bowser, he transforms into Giga Bowser for, let's say, 10 seconds of mayhem. Final Smash ends, and he reverts back to everybody else's punching bag.

It's like Pikachu's Volt Tackle: can't do it forever.

Zero Laser, however, has a very permanent consequence of Smaus losing her armor. Therefore, she remains as Zero Suit Samus for the rest of the fight. And playing as Zero Suit Samus is obviously different than playing as Samus, so she is therefore recorded as a different charactor on the Dojo site, with different special attacks and everything.

Don't expect Zero Suit Samus to have a Final Smash, though: once per charactor I think is the rule; either that or once per fight. Either Way, having already used a Final Smash to become Zero Suit Samus, she therefore can't use a Final Smash again.

Zero Suit Samus is a testament to the permanency and the true "Final" effect Final Smashes can leave on a charactor.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

It's still possible I'd assume. It may be possible to switch between Samus and ZSS before battle, such as Zelda and Sheik, giving ZSS a Final Smash of her own, but that would sort of make Samus a bad character. If you play with normal rules (like items), you'll have to avoid the Smash Ball just to stay as Samus, which could end in your death.

 

[Viewtiful_Jeff]

As far as Zero Suit Samus goes, I sincerely doubt that that'll be the only way to play as her. If it is, I myself will be a bit disappointed, because that will make it exceptionally hard to get good enough with her to be able to do the stuff with Samus that I want, as training will be very hard to do. She'll probably be unlockable some other way. Will it be easy? Probably hell no. Will it be possible? Hopefully yeah.

As far as the Final Smashes themselves go, I love them. I've always been a sucker for big flashy finishing moves. I'm not exactly a huge fan of them being only once per match, though.

Also, South Park owns Family Guy.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

omfg I don't like Family Guy <.>

 

[maxpower1227]

The only reason she's listed as a different charactor and Giga Bowser isn't is because the results of thier individual Final Smashes are different.

For Bowser, he transforms into Giga Bowser for, let's say, 10 seconds of mayhem. Final Smash ends, and he reverts back to everybody else's punching bag.

It's like Pikachu's Volt Tackle: can't do it forever.

Zero Laser, however, has a very permanent consequence of Smaus losing her armor. Therefore, she remains as Zero Suit Samus for the rest of the fight. And playing as Zero Suit Samus is obviously different than playing as Samus, so she is therefore recorded as a different charactor on the Dojo site, with different special attacks and everything.

Don't expect Zero Suit Samus to have a Final Smash, though: once per charactor I think is the rule; either that or once per fight. Either Way, having already used a Final Smash to become Zero Suit Samus, she therefore can't use a Final Smash again.

Zero Suit Samus is a testament to the permanency and the true "Final" effect Final Smashes can leave on a charactor.

Everything about this post that pertains to Samus/ZSS is speculation. It is every bit as plausible (and much more likely, imo) that Samus/ZSS behave like Zelda/Sheik, meaning they each have their own unique move sets and you can alternate between them somehow. It would be very stupid to have Samus permanently change to a different character as a result of a Final Smash, especially since I don't believe the whole "only one FS per player per match" rule that, again, everyone seems to have assumed to be true.

 

[ShoDan]

I really don't like the idea of Fishs. I hate that you need an item to pull off a charcter specific attecks. I'd much rather prefer a B-Throw and/or (depending on how crawling works) crawl-B.

i think if you press down twice you will crawl
and i love final smashes, its a great idea

and i think samus would be just like sheik and zelda, just switch with a at the start,
and that they both have final smashes so they can transform in echoter

so you can only be one character, and you can only change once

 

[Yellow Mage]

Everything about this post that pertains to Samus/ZSS is speculation. It is every bit as plausible (and much more likely, imo) that Samus/ZSS behave like Zelda/Sheik, meaning they each have their own unique move sets and you can alternate between them somehow. It would be very stupid to have Samus permanently change to a different character as a result of a Final Smash, especially since I don't believe the whole "only one FS per player per match" rule that, again, everyone seems to have assumed to be true.

It was plainly stated on the DOJO site!

DO you even know which site we're talking about?

Oh, looky here!

Proof of Final Smash only performable by a charactor once in a fight?

"What is a Final Smash?"

And that very fact proving Samus to Zero Suit is a one-way street?

You want to scroll down on this one.

These are not assumptions, these are conclusions made from 100% true info about the game posted by Masahiro Sakurai himself!

What more do you want?!?

 

[maxpower1227]

I read those sites too. Again, all that they explicitly state is that Samus' Zero Laser destroys her Power Suit, and leaves her as ZSS. It does not say that it's a permanent state. Her suit could regenerate after a set time period, or it could remain off until the player manually switches back to Samus.

Also, the "one FS per character per fight" has been addressed in other threads. The Dojo site is not proof that it can only be used once per fight, since it could just as easily mean "once per Smash Ball".

 

[Stone.Tower]

Y'know, it still hasn't been confirmed that's the only way you can play as her. I'm betting on her being a character on her own as well.

But back on topic, I'm kind of neutral about the final smashes. I don't really like them, but then again, I don't think I'll have a problem with them when December 3rd rolls around...

 

[GaryCXJk]

I don't want to use an obscure button combination just to start with Zero Suit Samus. I didn't like how you could start with Sheik with some weird method, so why should we apply it to Zero Suit Samus? It really takes away from her playability.

And from the text, it really does suggest that the transformation is permanent. I think the line "That really was her last trump card. She used a weapon so powerful, it destroyed her Power Suit."

Of course, it's still open for interpretation, but by now we know that Sakurai is an open book. You know that he doesn't write in riddles. The transformation IS permanent.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

On the contrary, her availability only through FS's takes away from her playability. In all likeliness, FS's will be banned in tournament or serious play. That's an entire character that is no longer playable.

 

[Yellow Mage]

I read those sites too. Again, all that they explicitly state is that Samus' Zero Laser destroys her Power Suit, and leaves her as ZSS. It does not say that it's a permanent state. Her suit could regenerate after a set time period, or it could remain off until the player manually switches back to Samus.

Also, the "one FS per character per fight" has been addressed in other threads. The Dojo site is not proof that it can only be used once per fight, since it could just as easily mean "once per Smash Ball".

Occam's Razor. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

Y'know, it still hasn't been confirmed that's the only way you can play as her. I'm betting on her being a character on her own as well.

But back on topic, I'm kind of neutral about the final smashes. I don't really like them, but then again, I don't think I'll have a problem with them when December 3rd rolls around...

See, Zero Suit Samus can't be a charactor on her own, because then there's no way that she can use her Final Smash, because the only way to play as her is through a Final Smash!

"But, Yellow Mage, that's circular reasoning!" No, it's common sense, aimed at those who follow the "No Items" rule devoutly. I think this is a very clear statement from Sakurai that says "Okay, you can turn off items if you want. Just don't expect to be able to play as Zero Suit Samus."



And, finally, South Park sucks. Even worse than Family Guy, might I add.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

They both suck. <_< I don't see the problem with there being two ways to be Zero Suit Samus. I just hope he allows her as a playable character and as a character available through FS.

 

[FlatSoda]

yup. the Final Smashes does kind of bother me in relate to ZSSamus.

I hope you can press and hold A as done for sheik to start off for her.

Being that it's an item, and i play without items i won't play with them anyway.

 

[Rx-]

I don't want to use an obscure button combination just to start with Zero Suit Samus. I didn't like how you could start with Sheik with some weird method, so why should we apply it to Zero Suit Samus? It really takes away from her playability.

Wouldn't this ADD to ZSS's playability? By making her... PLAYABLE? (From the start?)

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

That's what I said.

 

[Viewtiful_Jeff]

Occam's Razor. Learn it. Live it. Love it.





See, Zero Suit Samus can't be a charactor on her own, because then there's no way that she can use her Final Smash, because the only way to play as her is through a Final Smash!

"But, Yellow Mage, that's circular reasoning!" No, it's common sense, aimed at those who follow the "No Items" rule devoutly. I think this is a very clear statement from Sakurai that says "Okay, you can turn off items if you want. Just don't expect to be able to play as Zero Suit Samus."



And, finally, South Park sucks. Even worse than Family Guy, might I add.

Occam's Razor doesn't really apply here, because a "necessity" hasn't been clearly set. And even if it has, there's no proof that Sakurai's stoutly following the philosophy while designing Brawl.

There's every chance that Samus will be playable in another venue. There's not a shred of proof that the Final Smash is the only way to unlock her in any update so far. From the Zero Suit Samus update: "When Samus destroys her Power Suit, she’s left with the Zero Suit. "

Does it say anything there about her Final Smash being the only way to do that?

Also, your taste is even worse than your logic if you think Family Guy's better than South Park.

 

[Link'sShadow]

Ok first I like FS since it offers a chance to just brutalize your opponent. Also since it's an item you can just click it off and not worry about it.

Also Family Guy Rocks!!!!

And I know Sakurai said that there will be many ways to unlock Zamus (though he didn't specify what). Only her FS is the only way we know. I'm sure some powerful strike will break her armor or maybe sustaining enough damage.

 

[Eternal phoenix Fire]

Occam's Razor. Learn it. Live it. Love it.





See, Zero Suit Samus can't be a charactor on her own, because then there's no way that she can use her Final Smash, because the only way to play as her is through a Final Smash!

So I guess that it makes sense that Sakurai creates an entire character with a functioning moveset only to cator to those who play with items.Sakurai acknowledges the fact that not everyone plays in the same manner. This, itself is one of the reasons why Smash Bros. is great ; it adds variety.

Sakurai is creating the game with everyone in mind. Something like this would tarnish Smash Bros.

"But, Yellow Mage, that's circular reasoning!" No, it's common sense, aimed at those who follow the "No Items" rule devoutly. I think this is a very clear statement from Sakurai that says "Okay, you can turn off items if you want. Just don't expect to be able to play as Zero Suit Samus."

You're such a douche Yellow Mage.

So it's saying "You can but the game, just don't expect to enjoy it the way you want to"

Your logical theories are nothing but evidence showing that Sakurai is biased towards a specific audience. Well guess what, he isn't. Smash Bros. was not created to play in a specific manner such as other games. People assume that it should be played with items just because of a marketting demographic.

The last thing Sakurai wants is to exclude any community and cator towards another. This game is for everyone, and those who choose to play outside of the demographic shouldn't have to suffer.

You may think your smart and logical, but you're just biased.

And I reiterate:

You suck.

I should FedEx a knee to you

And with all odiousity in mind...

Please, just shut the hell up.

And, finally, South Park sucks. Even worse than Family Guy, might I add.

You have no taste in comedy. What are you? Omish?

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

Ok first I like FS since it offers a chance to just brutalize your opponent. Also since it's an item you can just click it off and not worry about it.

Also Family Guy Rocks!!!!

And I know Sakurai said that there will be many ways to unlock Zamus (though he didn't specify what). Only her FS is the only way we know. I'm sure some powerful strike will break her armor or maybe sustaining enough damage.

You could brutalize your opponent in Melee, except it actually took skill to do.

I still have a slight problem with FS's. If you and your friends are playing with items on, and you like playing as Samus, you have to completely bypass the smash ball. If not you're changed into ZSS. It just seems illogical to me.

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

You could brutalize your opponent in Melee, except it actually took skill to do.

I still have a slight problem with FS's. If you and your friends are playing with items on, and you like playing as Samus, you have to completely bypass the smash ball. If not you're changed into ZSS. It just seems illogical to me.

God, what right have you to think this is illogical? What right do you have to have an opinion on smashbrothers that is fueled by a competitive mindset and liking for the previous game in the series.

You *******. With your own opinions which obviously by posting you are forcing upon the world, are RUINING the game for casual players.

Nevermind the fact that the casual players don't even attend tournaments or have an obligation to read your posts, YOU'RE AN ELITIST.

except it actually took skill to do.

Skill is a glitch, you have no life, Aniki doesn't wavedash, and Ken is cheap.

What? someone had to do it.

In all seriousness it's good to have a few more intelligent posters like Ess Oh Aytch on the brawlboards.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

LOL i thought you were serious for a second. Just call me SoH (which is what Ess oh Aytch would mean).

 

[Dylan_Tnga]

LOL i thought you were serious for a second. Just call me SoH (which is what Ess oh Aytch would mean).

lol what I posted, SoH, is just the response I always get trying to use such forbidden concepts as ''logic'' and ''examples from the game iteself''

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Dylan_Tnga

This is basically what I have to show for my efforts trying to educate the scrubs / newbies of the brawlboards. Take a look, it's quite funny.

Good luck, you'll need it.

 

[Frigid_Aztec]

I can live with them, but I'll probably turn 'em off.

 

[k!llsw!tch]

Final Smashes seem fun, but I would eventually get tired of them, they seem like something to use for when your playing matches for fun. Would they be tournament legal?

 

[Sculelos]

Final Smashes should be cool.

 

[Ess oh Aytch]

Final Smashes seem fun, but I would eventually get tired of them, they seem like something to use for when your playing matches for fun. Would they be tournament legal?

Doubt it, considering it would be a race to get the Smash Ball. Tournaments can't handle the impromptu appearance of items.