Normal type gym leader needs team rated NOA!....Pwease ;w;

[Sunnysunny]

Hi yall~! =w=
So, I've recently become a gym leader on a fairly big pokemon site. The normal gym leader actually~! =w= I've only lost to one person so far at that site out of a multitude of battles with my regular team, however I don't have much experience at all with monotype teams. D:

Anywho, 3 of the pokemon in a gym leaders team must be of the gym type, normal type. =w= Im using 4 because a few of the other gym leaders have done more then 3, however I'll switch one of the normal pokemon out of my team if you guys find a flaw with it. =p

(Teams been edited thanks to suggestions.)

Here it is~! =w=

Swampert Item: ??? (need suggestions.)
Nature: relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 252 def

Stealthrock
RAWR
earthquake
Ice PAWNCH

Notes: Generic leadpert. :V This big lugs only there to set up stealthrock and maybe get a few hits in with his other moves.

Blissey
EVs 24 hp, 252 def, 232 special def
Nature: calm
Wish
protect
Ice beam
Aromatheroapy

Alright, I need some suggestions on what move to swap for some status ailments. =p
Wish and aromatherapy are crucial to my team. Particularly spiritomb.

Starapter w/Choice band
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 attacks, 252 speed.

Return
Close combat
brave bird
U-turn


Spiritomb w/ leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 252 def

Confuse ray
protect
nasty plot
dark pulse

This thing....is my pride and joy~! OwO Everyone I battled has hated this thing, for its stalling ability. Confuse ray is there too force switches, mainly for stealth rock damage. Protect is there to give leftovers a little extra oomph and to punish people that dare have the guts to stay in after being inflicted with confusion. Nasty plot is there too boost up if the opponent is about to switch, or if im feeling lucky, right after I inflicted them with confusion. Kinda a gamble though. Dark pulse can inflict fairly decent damage after a nasty plot however its walled by a few things. Confuse ray and protect are there to pressure those pesky pokemon that try and wall him switch out.

Spiritomb does great against attack based pokemon. However, I flee on contact if the opponent switches into a special attacking pokemon. (Lawlblissey)

uuh sorry that was lengthy but I love this pokemon~! =w= Best staller i've got.

Ambipom@Silk Scarf
252 Atk/252 Spe/ 4 HP
Jolly Nature
~Payback
~Fake Out
~Double Hit
~Low Kick

Note: credit to megalomanic for suggesting this dood~! =w=

Lickilicky w/ lum berry
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 252 def

Explosion
counter
knock off
gyro ball

This pokemons on my regular team and yea another defensively trained pokemon. ^^; However this guy isn't meant to wall. Hes meant to most literally counter fighting types that things they can just simply close combat through my gym. This lickilicky is able to take a close combat from fully EV trained, positive nature infernape, and send it right back with counter. Explosion gets STAB and is there to just pick off pokemon I just don't wanna deal with. :V

(Note: Licki is probably open to be switched. :V)


Sooo suggestions? ,:3 Critique? Let em out~! Ooh. I also like to mention that item clause is in effect during a gym battle, so no same items. ^^;

Thanks yall~!

 

[UltiMario]

I just made a really, really, really, really huge post on this, and the page crashed.

I'm not typing all that again.

I'll Just make small comments to summarize it.

use Smogon for these sets.

Lefties on Swampert. Ice Beam over Waterfall. Add 4 Atk EVs.

POST BLISSEY ANYWAY DAMMIT

Choice Band Staraptor over Swellow

The gimmick that could, Annoyer Rotom-S over Spiritomb

Nasty Plot Togekiss over Slaking

252HP/184Atk/72Def for Lickilicky's EVs. Leftovers over Lum Berry. Body Slam over Counter. Remember the 0 Spe IV



Too bad none of you can see my reasoning, but I'm not typing it again.

 

[Circa]

Lefties on Swampert. Ice Beam over nothing kinda. Add 4 Spe EVs.

Fix'd to what I'd offer. 4 Speed EVs let you outpace the stupid (and by stupid I mean the player, who doesn't realize that the extra Speed is more useful than the extra Attack) opposing Roar Swampert so you can start your phazing earlier on. I don't oppose the use of Waterfall on the set, as the quicker kill on Azelf is nice. You just don't get the little chance to OHKO Gliscor like you otherwise would and don't get as much help against Dragons. But meh. That's all about personal preference and the team itself I guess.

Apart from that I don't oppose anything he said? I've never used (or even wanted to use) half the stuff you mentioned, so I can't really say anything about the rest of the team.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I like how only 2/3rds of your team is actually Normal-type.

Needs more Belly Drum Clefable and Ambipom.

-Terywj

 

[kirbyraeg]

well since this is a kinda-mono monotype team...I suppose you should make sure your other pokemon can cushion your team's only weakness to fighting. Try CroTomb over the set you've got now, it helps you defensively and frees up a slot so that you don't have to use that dumb blissey (it gets walked all over by so much stuff it isn't even funny), and over blissey try running Latias. Resists fighting, can stat up or wishpass as you see fit, also lures in status for the two pokemon I'm going to recommend

Swellow and slaking are both useless. If you want power, try toxic orb guts facade ursaring, and if you want speed so badly try a choice scarf zangoose. By-the-book playing annoys me though, I can respect a person who tries to do their own thing and craft a pokemon to fit their needs instead of running off to smogon just to see what they say.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Fix'd to what I'd offer. 4 Speed EVs let you outpace the stupid (and by stupid I mean the player, who doesn't realize that the extra Speed is more useful than the extra Attack) opposing Roar Swampert so you can start your phazing earlier on. I don't oppose the use of Waterfall on the set, as the quicker kill on Azelf is nice. You just don't get the little chance to OHKO Gliscor like you otherwise would and don't get as much help against Dragons. But meh. That's all about personal preference and the team itself I guess.

Apart from that I don't oppose anything he said? I've never used (or even wanted to use) half the stuff you mentioned, so I can't really say anything about the rest of the team.

Well your personal preference are right. =p I only used waterfall for another STAB, but I really...reaaaally dislike gliscor and salamence. So i'll probably go with ice punch or something. And yea, speed > attack. =p

And yea, I use alot of pokemon that aren't used often, but I can honestly say its what works for me.

I just made a really, really, really, really huge post on this, and the page crashed.

I'm not typing all that again.

I'll Just make small comments to summarize it.

use Smogon for these sets.

Smogon, makes trainers predictable. :V There good for getting some ideas however, copy pasting the exact moveset with the exact EVs is just plain predictable. Ive altered a few movesets for myself because I find they work more to my liking. Depends on the player

I prefer spiritombs bulkieness to rotom. and lickilicky is keeping counter. Its just too good a surprise move. =w=

BLISSEY AIN'T NEED NO EXPLAINING BOI! >:V


Togekiss i'll consider though. I always liked serene grace. =w= Sorry your post got erased. Id be ticked. :/

I like how only 2/3rds of your team is actually Normal-type.

Needs more Belly Drum Clefable and Ambipom.

-Terywj

I said in the first post it wasn't meant to be a full mono team. ^^; It would be waaay to unbalanced. D:

Yesh, belly drum clefable is sexy~! =w= I might go with clefable just because its unpredictable. o3o Ambipom I never liked that much. Its just for personal preferences though.

well since this is a kinda-mono monotype team...I suppose you should make sure your other pokemon can cushion your team's only weakness to fighting. Try CroTomb over the set you've got now, it helps you defensively and frees up a slot so that you don't have to use that dumb blissey (it gets walked all over by so much stuff it isn't even funny), and over blissey try running Latias. Resists fighting, can stat up or wishpass as you see fit, also lures in status for the two pokemon I'm going to recommend

Swellow and slaking are both useless. If you want power, try toxic orb guts facade ursaring, and if you want speed so badly try a choice scarf zangoose. By-the-book playing annoys me though, I can respect a person who tries to do their own thing and craft a pokemon to fit their needs instead of running off to smogon just to see what they say.

Ooooooh yes, I hate blissey with a passion. >_< Even on my team, its a shame to use. =p I'll gladly use latias in place of that thing. And i'll replace either swellow but not slakings.D: I raised a zangoose a bit ago but its a swords dancing focus sashed one. Hopefully that'll do. I like zangoose more anyways. =p

Ha, I know how you feel about people that leech off of smogons movesets. >3> I feel ashamed for being unoriginal with these movesets, but I don't have much experience with these new pokes. ^^; Thanks for your help~! :3




Thanks everyone who commented~! I got a few more ideas thanks to yall~! =w= Thanks for not tearing me apart TOO bad. =p

 

[kirbyraeg]

SD/sash is useless if it isn't a lead, just give it life orb

and if you're only going to replace one of those guys, seriously replace slaking. It's just not good.

 

[UltiMario]

You're not being unpredictable by running non-standard sets, BTW.

In the long run, all Pokemon do the same thing, and in the long run, have the same counters. Running non-standard sets (unless the standard set sucks terribly, like Smogon's LeadTar.....) means that you're only lowering your chances of winning, because you'll be using worse moves and be countered all the same.

Now, for your other complaints:

1. Spiritomb isn't bulkier than Rotom. Why? Spiritomb resists and is immune to almost nothing. Rotom has one of the best defensive types in the game. The sheer fact that tons of stuff will hit Not Very Effective assures Rotom's extra bulkiness.

2. If you refuse to explain Blissey, I'll be forced to have to report this thread to be locked. You can't have an incomplete RMT.

3. It may be a suprise move, but you'll also get suprised when it becomes useless as there are tons of special attackers that Lickilicky can barely even touch.

4. Theres a reason I'm suggesting Staraptor over Swellow and Togekiss over Slaking. Simply put, you'll win more by using them. Better Pokemon means a better team means more wins.

Really, if you don't want to change your team past your favorites, and didn't want to take suggestions you don't like, don't make an RMT. We're doing our best to help you, and you're denying our help.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I said in the first post it wasn't meant to be a full mono team. ^^; It would be waaay to unbalanced. D:

But then it's not as fun! D:

Especially in UU/NU: Ambipom / Kangaskhan / Clefable / Tauros / Ursaring / Swellow.

-Terywj

 

[Gates]

BLISSEY AIN'T NEED NO EXPLAINING BOI! >:V

YES
IT
DOES

You may think "oh itz teh stndrd blzzy lolololoavlfbnsdlbnvdklfjvnadlvnalfvnlajdvl" but really there are so many variables at work that make it hard to gauge what specific build you're using that can have a huge impact on your team. If you expect us to be able to help you you need to post the set so that it can answer the following quesions:

Are you using Softboiled or WishProtect?
Are you using Seismic Toss, Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt, or another attacking option?
Are you using Thunder Wave, Toxic, or do you have a status move at all?
Is it Calm, Bold, or another nature?
What is your EV spread - max Def and HP, max SpD and HP, max Def and SpD, or something else?
If you're using Flamethrower or another special attack, do you have any EVs invested in SpA?
Are you using Serene Grace or Natural Cure? Since this Blissey has Aromatherapy and is able to heal its status that way, either is an option.
Are you using something random or unconventional on the set like Calm Mind?
Why did you choose to go with Cleric Blissey as opposed to WishBliss?

Right now the only things we know about your Blissey are that it has Aromatherapy and Leftovers, and even the latter isn't 100% sure since you could have something like Lum Berry to throw off Trickers or absorb Toxic Spikes.

Frankly, it doesn't seem like you've taken this team seriously at all. The only thing you;'ve done is play favorites instead of playing good pokemon that would make your team good. You're using awful pokemon likw Slaking, Lickylicky, and Swellow and you actually expect to do well with this team? Maybe in UU, but by having Blissey on your team you automatically make it an OU team. That's practically the equivalent of running 5 Luvdisc and a Mewtwo. You also have incomplete sets, no explanation of sets, or NO ****ING SETS AT ALL which should get your thread locked. You also have not posted the Blissey set after many people have requested you to and ignored everyone else's advice. If this is the way you acted on your "fairly big pokemon site" then it astounds me that you were able to become a gym leader. Your team is bad, the way you presented it is bad, your reaction to the criticism is bad, and you should feel bad.

Thread reported, read the ****ing rules next time.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=110421

 

[kirbyraeg]

hehe. I am kinda curious what site this is on anyway...lol

I just wish that people wouldn't be so critical about not posting movesets and not running standard movesets since it's still possible to discuss it on a theoretical level anyway: there's also the consideration that running a non-standard moveset can work simply because it's nonstandard. Like...

EDit: Clipped out off-topic stuff, moved it to the 'rate my moveset' thread

 

[UltiMario]

I'm also curious what Pokemon site this is going to......

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Thirded. Could you provide a URL, please?

-Terywj

 

[Spire]

Thread reported, read the ****ing rules next time.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=110421

And do you expect me to lock this? I think it would be in the better interest of the community if we could help him shape the team up. Sure, it has flaws, but there's no need to criticize.

So get to it guys

 

[kirbyraeg]

And do you expect me to lock this? I think it would be in the better interest of the community if we could help him shape the team up. Sure, it has flaws, but there's no need to criticize.

So get to it guys

y'know, this is exactly right. we aren't ***** like people at smogon are.

Rather, most of us aren't. most of the people on smogon are too serious and full of themselves to make pokemon more fun and accessible to newer players. Pokemon is a game, at least welcome the casuals and be nicer in pointing them in the right direction and showing them what to do.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

Missing Ingredient:

HIII!!!!!

Ambipom@Silk Scarf
252 Atk/252 Spe/ 4 HP
Jolly Nature
~Payback
~Fake Out
~Double Hit
~Low Kick

This guy comes with some pretty good type coverage. Ambipom is kind of an underrated powerhouse to me, especially in UU because his Speed, Attack and Tech Fake Out makes him so good for Hit and Run. Of course you have coverage now, but do a mono-normal team. They're really fun! Jolly Nature is there to combat Timid Mismagius and OHKO with payback, but an Adamant one would bring some more power. And I choose Double Hit over Return because it breaks Subs, nice Tech bonus, and you can even put on a Scope Lens if you like taking risks.

 

[Sunnysunny]

First post edited yall. =w= Thanks for the suggestions

hehe. I am kinda curious what site this is on anyway...lol

I just wish that people wouldn't be so critical about not posting movesets and not running standard movesets since it's still possible to discuss it on a theoretical level anyway: there's also the consideration that running a non-standard moveset can work simply because it's nonstandard. Like...

EDit: Clipped out off-topic stuff, moved it to the 'rate my moveset' thread

Id be curious too if someone like me became a gym leader. =p I know im scrubby. But the site is called "victoryroad.net". Although it may be growing into a big site it only recently became somewhat competitive, so it has still yet to mature into a competitive play site. and yea, its pitiful that im a gym leader there, but it is quite casual play apart from a few good battlers. =w=

Rate my movesets eh? xD Daww thanks~! But I must admit im not that original at all. That spiritomb was originally a "monotomb". I didn't like a few moves and tweeked it over time. ^^; I fell in love with it for the stress it causes the opponent.

But yea, it was rude of me not to post the moveset just because its blissey. I'll post it later once I get my DS back.
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Here let me try this again. I assure im not shooting down your suggestions. ^^;

You're not being unpredictable by running non-standard sets, BTW.

In the long run, all Pokemon do the same thing, and in the long run, have the same counters. Running non-standard sets (unless the standard set sucks terribly, like Smogon's LeadTar.....) means that you're only lowering your chances of winning, because you'll be using worse moves and be countered all the same.

Now, for your other complaints:

1. Spiritomb isn't bulkier than Rotom. Why? Spiritomb resists and is immune to almost nothing. Rotom has one of the best defensive types in the game. The sheer fact that tons of stuff will hit Not Very Effective assures Rotom's extra bulkiness.

Yea almost everything hits for nuetral on spiritomb. Sooo yea no resistances at all. You do raise a good point about rotoms resistances. Im also a big fan of parafusion. i might change this..


2. If you refuse to explain Blissey, I'll be forced to have to report this thread to be locked. You can't have an incomplete RMT.

I'll put it up later I guess. Either that or change it too latias. :V

3. It may be a suprise move, but you'll also get suprised when it becomes useless as there are tons of special attackers that Lickilicky can barely even touch.

Eh..honestly counters the only reason I keep licki hanging around. I could just toss him completely instead for something better. :V Despite counter and explosion I don't find him very useful. Any suggestions for this doods replacement? o3o

4. Theres a reason I'm suggesting Staraptor over Swellow and Togekiss over Slaking. Simply put, you'll win more by using them. Better Pokemon means a better team means more wins.

Staraptor definitly over swellow. Swellows walled to easily by rock and steel types. Slaking ill replace....but im not so sure about replacing em with togekiss. What togekiss moveset do you recommend? o3o

Really, if you don't want to change your team past your favorites, and didn't want to take suggestions you don't like, don't make an RMT. We're doing our best to help you, and you're denying our help.

I im sorry, I didn't mean to be rude. D: but I have my reasons for keeping certain pokemon beyond personal preference. Its through trial and error that i used these pokemon. Well...not swellow and slaking, but spiritomb and licki have pulled me out of tough situations. i'll give rotom and togekiss a shot though. Starapter I already knows is amazing. =p

im sorry again for any trouble I caused. Id really like it if some of you guys could battle me sometime though so I can improve. (or simply punish me for being arragant.) -w-

But then it's not as fun! D:

Especially in UU/NU: Ambipom / Kangaskhan / Clefable / Tauros / Ursaring / Swellow.

-Terywj

Dooooh okey i'll be full on mono. Might as well not wimp out and do only half mono. I think I should get a little better first before tackling it though. =w=

YESH~! UU/NU is much fun~! =p

 

[Gates]

And do you expect me to lock this? I think it would be in the better interest of the community if we could help him shape the team up. Sure, it has flaws, but there's no need to criticize.

So get to it guys

y'know, this is exactly right. we aren't ***** like people at smogon are.

Rather, most of us aren't. most of the people on smogon are too serious and full of themselves to make pokemon more fun and accessible to newer players. Pokemon is a game, at least welcome the casuals and be nicer in pointing them in the right direction and showing them what to do.

There's a big difference between posting a bad team and posting an incomplete team, and he did the latter. A bad team is perfectly fine and everyone makes one at some point or another (if you want proof, ask me about my Pass teams) and I would have been more than happy to have rated it. But the team that he posted is incomplete and because of that rating it based on only 5 pokemon would be incredibly difficult.

But now that his whole team is posted, I'll do a proper rating of it.

Swampert Item: ??? (need suggestions pl0x) Leftovers...did you really need to ask?
Nature: relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 252 def

Stealth rock
Roar
earthquake
waterfall

Notes: Generic leadpert. This big lugs only there to set up stealthrock and maybe get a few hits in with his other moves. Replace Waterfall with Ice Beam and you'll have a great lead. STAB really isn't as important as type coverage is, and looking at your Blissey I'm guessing you need a way to deal with Dragons. Also, just so you know there are plenty of good Normal type leads that work just as well if not better than Swampert like Togekiss, Smeargle, and Ambipom. In fact, your most of movesets are pretty inventive so it would be interesting to see your take on a Smeargle lead.

Blissey
EVs 24 hp, 252 def, 232 special def
Nature: calm I generally reccommend Bold and 252 HP. Blissey doesn't really need any more SpD than she already has.
Wish
protect
Ice beam
Aromatherapy

Alright, I need some suggestions on what move to swap for some status ailments. Wish and aromatherapy are crucial to my team. Particularly spiritomb. The biggest suggestion I have is for you to think about which you need more - Wish or Aromatherapy - and build the moveset around that instead of trying to use both and spreading yourself too thin like you have here. I ASSUME that since you want Swellow to be statused to activate Guts and since he takes a bunch of damage from SR that you'd need Wish more, so I'll mainly make reccommendations in that direction. If you want to keep Wish and Protect (and you need both if you want to use Blissey as a wall at all), I would reccommend replacing Aromatherapy with Thunder Wave since it supports your sweepers better. If you want to keep Aromatherapy instead of Wish though, I'd reccommend replacing Wish with Softboiled (obv) and I'd still go with Thunder Wave as your second move replacing Protect since it's still really good for setting up your sweepers. If you had another way of spreading paralysis I'd recommend Toxic, but for now you don't so I'm sticking with TWave. In either case though, I'd recommend Flamethrower over Ice Beam. The way the metagame is skewed right now is such that Ice attacks are only good against Dragons, who inevitably have partners on their team who resist Ice. Even Latias can shrug off Ice Beam with the proper HP and SpD investment, or by using Calm Mind and Recover. Flamethrower, however, is only really bad against a very small number of pokemon and good against a much larger number.

So yeah, you need to basically start over with your Blissey but other than that it's fine lol.

Also, if you replace this

Swellow w/ toxic orb
Ability: Guts
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 252 attacks, 252 speed.

Protect
facade
brave bird
U-turn

I don't play Swellow, I've never faced it on Shoddy, and you didn't provide an explanation, so I don't know how to comment on this set other than by saying you'd probably be better off with Staraptor like UltiMario said. It really is just a better pokemon overall for that typing - better stats, better movepool, better everything really.

Spiritomb w/ leftovers
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 252 def

Confuse ray
protect
nasty plot
dark pulse

This thing....is my pride and joy! Everyone I battled has hated this thing, for its stalling ability. Confuse ray is there too force switches, mainly for stealth rock damage. Protect is there to give leftovers a little extra oomph and to punish people that dare have the guts to stay in after being inflicted with confusion. Nasty plot is there too boost up if the opponent is about to switch, or if im feeling lucky, right after I inflicted them with confusion. Kinda a gamble though. Dark pulse can inflict fairly decent damage after a nasty plot however its walled by a few things. Confuse ray and protect are there to pressure those pesky pokemon that try and wall him switch out.

Spiritomb does great against attack based pokemon. However, I flee on contact if the opponent switches into a special attacking pokemon. (Lawlblissey)

uuh sorry that was lengthy but I love this pokemon! Best staller i've got. This is a better staller than Blissey? Well given your Blissey I'm not surprised tbh.

I gotta admit, this is a very inventive set. However, there are a bunch of things I'd like to know. Why Nasty Plot as opposed to Sub? Given Spiritomb's bulk, it's not like he's going to be taking a ton of damage, so SubProtect could be a viable option for him. This will also save you from status moves which you seem to be concerned about with him.

Ultimately though, as it's been said before, Rotom-S with Discharge, Confuse Ray, Air Slash, and Shadow Ball is just straight up better than this for a lot of reasons.

Slaking w/choice band
Nature: Jolly/adamant (May need suggestions on what nature)
EVs: 252 speed, 252 attack

Earthquake
return
sucker punch
Ice punch

Relies completely on prediction. I can't slip up while using this guy. High risk high return to say the least.

Return is for scrubs. Real men use Giga Impact.

But seriously, I agree with replacing this with Togekiss. If you have your heart set on it though, I guess you could manage.

Lickilicky w/ lum berry
Nature: Relaxed
EVs: 252 hp, 252 def

Explosion
counter
knock off
gyro ball

This pokemons on my regular team and yea another defensively trained pokemon. However this guy isn't meant to wall. Hes meant to most literally counter fighting types that things they can just simply close combat through my gym. This lickilicky is able to take a close combat from fully EV trained, positive nature infernape, and send it right back with counter. Explosion gets STAB and is there to just pick off pokemon I just don't wanna deal with.
This build just seems really random. I understand Counter and Explosion, but why Knock Off? For starters, it's not that good as a means of phazing your opponent and you could do just as well with a status move like Body Slam. And I understand the concept of Gyro Ball - Lickilicky is slower than anything besides Bronzong - but the type coverage for Steel attacks really isn't that good given the prevalence of water, fire, electric, and steel pokemon. This poor guy would probably be beaten by a steel attacker like Metagross, Scizor, or even Bronzong. And if you are using Counter and Gyro Ball, why not run Curse over Knock Off and 0 Speed IVs to maximize the damage of the latter?

I tried thinking of better pokemon that use Counter, but the only one that came to mind was Wobbuffet who is Uber and thus you probably won't be allowed to use him.

Then I tried thinking of better normal type physical attackers and I remembered something great - Snorlax. Snorlax is huge defensively with gigantic HP and SpD and Curse to help boost its defense if you decide to run that set, it's a big physical attacker with or without Curse, you can use it as a wall with Rest or an exploder with Selfdestruct, and, most importantly imo, it resists Ice (via Thick Fat) which will help a great deal with your flying sweeper. You can decide if you want to use a Curselax, RestLax, CBLax, or BlandLax (BlandLax meaning it doesn't have Choice Band or use Curse or Resttalk). If I were you though, I'd use this:

BlandLax @ Leftovers
Adamant
252 Atk/252 Def/4 SpD
Bodyslam
Earthquake
Crunch
Selfdestruct

This gives you the exploding option you had with Lickilicky but with better type coverage overall. The only things it won't hit for neutral or better damage are steel types that are above the ground like Bronzong, Skarmory, or something under the effects of Magnet Rise. Even those will have a huge dent put in them by SelfDestruct though. If you still want counter though you can take out EQ for it and change your EVs to 252 HP/252 Atk/4 SpD.

What togekiss moveset do you recommend?

Something with Air Slash lol*.

Togekiss is a really diverse pokemon with a lot of options. Generally the best non-Choice non-Pass Togekiss builds use Air Slash and Thunder Wave for the dreaded FlinchFusion combo. After that, most builds also use Aura Sphere to hit Steel types that resist Flying. The 4th move depends on what you want your Togekiss to do. If you want him to be bulky you can use Roost, if you want him to deal a ton of damage you can use Nasty Plot, if you want even more type coverage you can use Fire Blast or Flamethrower, and if you really want to piss people off you can use Encore. As far as EVs go, almost all Togekiss use max HP and invest some into speed and some into Def or SpD. As far as items go, Leftovers is generally recommended, but if you're using Nasty Plot then Lum Berry can also be a good option.



Overall though, I'd like you to take a look at the following pokemon - really study them and see how they'd fit on your team:

Smeargle
Snorlax
Togekiss
Staraptor
Porygon-Z
Porygon2
Clefable
Ambipom
Ursaring
Tauros
Milktank
Linoone

These are all normal type pokemon that can perform reasonably well at most levels of play (some more than others). If you want to dedicate yourself to being the normal gym leader, you should look into some of these in addition to what's currently on your team.

*The joke here is that every Togekiss set runs this.

 

[kirbyraeg]

There's a big difference between posting a bad team and posting an incomplete team, and he did the latter. A bad team is perfectly fine and everyone makes one at some point or another (if you want proof, ask me about my Pass teams) and I would have been more than happy to have rated it. But the team that he posted is incomplete and because of that rating it based on only 5 pokemon would be incredibly difficult.

I said it in a really **** bad way, but I have just get annoyed with the smug seriousness of most smogonites. They're a real pain in the *** lol, especially when they complain about dumb metagame trends as if it's the most serious thing in the world

that's an exclusively personal thing for me though...it really isn't as serious as even us here in the smash pokemon center treat it

 

[UltiMario]

I can't believe I forgot about Snorlax.

Yes, put Snorlax over Lickilicky.

Also, since you already have an annoyer, you might as well just use Nasty Plot Togekiss (Unless you REALLY want two annoyers), so just look that up on Smogon, theres a reason why its there you know X3

 

[Gates]

UltiMario, do you mean NP/Air Slash/Roost/Aura Sphere Togekiss or NP/Air Slash/Roost/Thunder Wave Togekiss? Because the former isn't really that good as an annoyer (compared to other Togekiss options I mean) and the latter doesn't have good attacking options.

I'd reccommend this Togekiss:

Togekiss @ Leftovers
Serene Grace
Calm
252 HP/252 SpD/4 Spe
Air Slash
Aura Sphere
Roost
Thunder Wave

This is a non-boosting set that sacrifices the pure power of NP for better coverage. Body Slam can be used over Thunder Wave if you see a lot of ground types, Electivires, and Jolteons in your meta, but if you do include it you may want to look into a nature besides Calm to actually get damage off it (or not since you're just using it for paralysis anyway). 4 Spe is different from the Smogon set which has 4 Def because Speed is the best defense anyway.

 

[UltiMario]

......My point was he SHOULDN'T have an annoyer Togekiss.

So NP/Roost/Air Slash/Aura Sphere.

Also, that set has NO MORE coverage than the NP set. Thats a lie.

 

[Gates]

ohhhhhhhh that makes more sense.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

If you're using Ambipom not as a lead, give it Life Orb. Return works better, since you're in OU and you'd rather the solid power rather than a stupid chance at missing. Here's what I suggest.

Ambipom @ Life Orb
Technician / Adamant or Jolly
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
~ Fake Out
~ Return
~ Payback / Pursuit
~ Low Kick / U-Turn

Payback is great for catching things switching in, although Pursuit could be more useful mindgaming the opponent who doesn't want the Fake Out to the face. Low Kick is great for Tyranitar, etc. but U-Turn is such an amazing scout move.

-Terywj

 

[Sunnysunny]

Soooo much to reply too, but i'll leave it at "yes, yes, and yes" to all. =w=

The nasty plot on spiritomb was more of a leftover move from when he was a monotomb. I never changed it since then, but I really want too. I never had experience using subsitute so I'll give it shot~! =w= Btw, should I submit this spiritomb to the "rate my moveset" thread? From what i've heard, its basically a UU S-rotom. :V I've used that spiritomb so long though, that I know most of its weaknesses.

And admittably, I thought of snorlax. Being a licki user, I can say snorlax is basically just a superior version to licki. Just without the move counter...unless im wrong. And yea, the knock off, and gyro ball, were just there because I ran outta ideas. Gyro ball really ain't that useful. at all. =w=

Togekiss or ambipom? Hmm i'll test both out on shoddy.

Thanks yall. sorry for both the bad and unfinished team. =w= Not my best judgement hmm...

 

[Gates]

I'm pretty sure Snorlax does learn Counter. Not that you'd want to teach it to him.

 

[kirbyraeg]

ahaaha

counter curselax would be too ****.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Only with a Chople berry.

Which could work as a Fighting lure for the Mono-Normal team.

and Blissey provides Wish support. Epic.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Make sure to finally beast it off with a Choice Band Staraptor. Move of abuse? U-Turn all the way.

-Terywj

 

[Metal~Mario]

Nah, its gonna be Double-edge all the way!

/joke

 

[kirbyraeg]

Even without chople, curselax at +1 can survive anything short of a boosted close combat, which is why I think leftovers is still better for it


EDIT: I'd also looooooooove to see fake out/last resort ambipom. PLEASE. hilarious potential if you could pursuit ghosts reliably.

 

[Metal~Mario]

Even without chople, curselax at +1 can survive anything short of a boosted close combat, which is why I think leftovers is still better for it.

Boosted CCs (CB or LO) happen to be quite common.

 

[kirbyraeg]

oh. actually I should've shown my calcs xD

591 Atk vs 294 Def & 503 HP (120 Base Power): 518 - 612 (102.98% - 121.67%)

Basically anything with equivalent power to a CBChamp's close combat is a guaranteed ohko, but only with the regular smogon curselax's EVs. If you went to craft a non-chople counter lure though...you'd go max hp/max def/impish and get this calc:

591 Atk vs 376 Def & 524 HP (120 Base Power): 408 - 480 (77.86% - 91.60%)

I thought that going max defense would change that calc more, so I'm dumb. It would need chople to really work though he could soak up any non-stab CCs without it after +1

 

[Metal~Mario]

Thanks for doing the work for me

I would know because I've tried it before. Not very successful (w/o Chople)

A 30% drop between the two is quite large, actually.

 

[kirbyraeg]

The only way you could get a +1 and LO is with something risky like Flame Orb Heracross (or being careless with Blissey's Toxic)...hmm.

 

[Gates]

Make sure to finally beast it off with a Choice Band Staraptor. Move of abuse? U-Turn all the way.

-Terywj

I bet Pink Reaper would know a lot about that.

Nah, its gonna be Double-edge all the way!

/joke

Nah, you gotta use Life Orb and Double-Edge. It's a great combo.



...on Clefable.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

You forgot the Belly Drum, Gates.

Clefable @ Life Orb + Belly Drum / Wish / Double-Edge.

-Terywj

 

[Gates]

But it still loses health from Belly Drum so what's the point in that?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

You Wish the first turn.

-Terywj

 

[kirbyraeg]

or you could go the whole way and just use cosmic power+belly drum and pray for no crits. ever. and getting rid of ghosts.