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Can I be honest? And take this as a hot take if you want.
I like Sonic '06 as the broken mess it is. Yeah it's not a great game, but it's a magnificent mess. Like the ways you can tear the game in half is amazing. It's an amazing speedrunning game because of it.

Honestly it'd be like when they patched Sonic Boom. What was also a glorious broken mess just turned into a mediocre game. Yeah pre-Patch Sonic Boom was awful, but it was fun awful.
 

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Let's make it interesting. :evil:

If you lose this bet, one more month of a Corrin avi for you.

If you win, I'll be whatever you want for a month.
Does it have to be a Corrin avi?

What if I did something equally as embarrassing? Y'know, to mix things up a bit?
 

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I actually don't know what the reasons are.

Sonic 06 being remastered would be actually great if they made it a functioning video game. The only real thing I don't like about the game outside of the bugs is Eggman's design and the weird furry plot.
Quest 64 is unpopular enough to not sell. They can't modify the game due to the rights being still held by Imagineer, so saving within the game's own memory card system is harder to work with. Lastly, even if they wanted to improve the game, they can't for the previous reason. A translated version using the Japanese game(Eletale Monsters) would be severely better coding-wise, and balance-wise.

As for 06, Elise falling in love with her hero isn't all that bothersome. It happens. It's not even weird. They're basically regular people. Now the fact she falls in love with hero, while being a princess, and being kidnapped constantly? That's an actual issue with the writing. The uncanny valley design is an issue too. It's just creepy at times and while there's a few good moments(Sonicman) and Eggman's design actually is somewhat neat due to his movements and his glasses with technology inside, it's still very offputting. Then you got the timey-wimey ball and the whole time travel oddness. It doesn't make sense and is confusing as hell.

To say the least, fixing the gameplay is easy. But remaking the plot while still keeping some key things(like Elise being who she is, which makes sense why Eggman is kidnapping her, as well as Mephiles' goal) isn't easy to do. Especially with the various characters and what they do overall. It needs a lot of work.

...Ironically fixing Quest 64(well, bar the plot as even the Gameboy remake didn't make it much better, just added actual characterization/cutscenes) is overall easier, since the story was never really more than a quick NES plot(like Dragon Quest 1) and everything was about the world/lore/gameplay/character designs/unique flavor/music anyway.
 
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Can I be honest? And take this as a hot take if you want.
I like Sonic '06 as the broken mess it is. Yeah it's not a great game, but it's a magnificent mess. Like the ways you can tear the game in half is amazing. It's an amazing speedrunning game because of it.

Honestly it'd be like when they patched Sonic Boom. What was also a glorious broken mess just turned into a mediocre game. Yeah pre-Patch Sonic Boom was awful, but it was fun awful.
Sonic 06 is just plain bad though.
Story is not pleasing and even if the glitches are "fun", the gameplay is horrible.
 

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What Im gonna do with S!Linde if I pull her:

 

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Mondays are the only days in the week where I'm away from the computer for a considerable amount of time. Hope I didn't miss anything.

...........I see "furries" have been mentioned
 
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You shouldn't have asked
I mean I still don't get it.

It's one moment in the whole game. There's way more to the plot than that, and way bigger issues to criticise.

Also I'm gonna make a hot take and say there is nothing innately weird about anthro animals X human characters. For one, it's incredibly common in animation especially from pre-21st century cartoons, so I don't know why people act like it's weird. Nobody batted an eye at Roger Rabbit x Jessica Rabbit, which had actual sexual undertones.

I think this is just the usual case of people looking for a way to land a cheap dig at the Sonic franchise as usual. If anything else does something, it's fine, but if Sonic does the same thing, even to a milder degree, it's a huge deal.

If you want to criticise the SonicxElise thing, maybe talk about the actual issues with it such as the fact that Elise was willing to let the world burn if it meant she could stay with Sonic forever. That would still be creepy even if Sonic was a human.
 

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Why are the hands censored at the end of the gif?
wooooOOOOOOSH

I mean I still don't get it.

It's one moment in the whole game. There's way more to the plot than that, and way bigger issues to criticise.

Also I'm gonna make a hot take and say there is nothing innately weird about anthro animals X human characters. For one, it's incredibly common in animation especially from pre-21st century cartoons, so I don't know why people act like it's weird. Nobody batted an eye at Roger Rabbit x Jessica Rabbit, which had actual sexual undertones.

I think this is just the usual case of people looking for a way to land a cheap dig at the Sonic franchise as usual. If anything else does something, it's fine, but if Sonic does the same thing, even to a milder degree, it's a huge deal.

If you want to criticise the SonicxElise thing, maybe talk about the actual issues with it such as the fact that Elise was willing to let the world burn if it meant she could stay with Sonic forever. That would still be creepy even if Sonic was a human.
It was a joke mate. Though personally, I don't think the Sonic/Elise thing was a good attempt. Shadow/Maria was pure kino, however, even if it wasn't romantic (at least I don't think it was). Just hits you in the feels because of the lore.
 

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Nobody batted an eye at Roger Rabbit x Jessica Rabbit, which had actual sexual undertones.

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To be absolutely fair, part of that might be because Who Framed Roger Rabbit made it clear that the two major "species" were humans and toons. Since Jessica and Roger were both toons, it was less weird.

Granted that doesn't explain away why no one was upset about the human characters lusting over Jessica, but still. :p
 
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Okay, I gotta be honest.
Why are we arguing over the logistics of fictional animal ****ing? Why is this the catch of the day?
 

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The Roger Rabbit movie was hardcore af; that toon dissolving dip scene still ****s me up a bit.
 

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To be absolutely fair, part of that might be because Who Framed Roger Rabbit made it clear that the two major "species" were humans and toons. Since Jessica and Roger were both toons, it was less weird.

Granted that doesn't explain away why no one was upset about the human characters lusting over Jessica, but still. :p
I don't really think that makes a difference, in my mind, I still see a human lady and an anthro rabbit, and I doubt the general public thought of it to that extent either.

Plus there's so many other examples we could go on about.

Just bothers me when people try to throw the bestiality card at '06 or any other similar piece of media, not only because it completely misses the actual, real reasons why Sonic x Elise was weird and dumb, but also because it's ignorant of why bestiality is disgusting and illegal.
 

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Who Framed Roger Rabbit will always have a special place in my heart.

How likely is that we will ever see Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny in the same scene from official material again? (Not to mention Donald and Daffy's piano duel; that's always been one of my favorite scenes in the movie).
 
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Ya'll gonna ignore the fact you can **** dragons and beastmen in Fire Emblem, huh?
 

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I mean I still don't get it.

It's one moment in the whole game. There's way more to the plot than that, and way bigger issues to criticise.

Also I'm gonna make a hot take and say there is nothing innately weird about anthro animals X human characters. For one, it's incredibly common in animation especially from pre-21st century cartoons, so I don't know why people act like it's weird. Nobody batted an eye at Roger Rabbit x Jessica Rabbit, which had actual sexual undertones.

I think this is just the usual case of people looking for a way to land a cheap dig at the Sonic franchise as usual. If anything else does something, it's fine, but if Sonic does the same thing, even to a milder degree, it's a huge deal.

If you want to criticise the SonicxElise thing, maybe talk about the actual issues with it such as the fact that Elise was willing to let the world burn if it meant she could stay with Sonic forever. That would still be creepy even if Sonic was a human.
So much this. The scene isn't all that bothersome due to the context behind it alone.

Sonic is dead. Only the kiss of life combined with the Chaos Emeralds can save him. And Elise also had love behind her kiss. Not simply lust. This in itself is not an issue. Not even Amy, who would normally kill someone for going after Sonic due to her extreme jealousy, was willing to go nuts due to the situation. And that's what made it a good overall thing. They made it work fine.

On the other hand, it's not like Elise had to actually be in love with Sonic. It could be the whole "princess and the shining knight" as the usual story thing. Considering the fact they had to make Elise cry to release Iblis, it was simply the chosen route given. The perfect reason for her to cry. Something beyond horrible, considering how she prevented herself from crying over many many things that are still pretty bad she likely experienced.

But yeah, I want the story a lot better.
 

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Interspecies Romances in general are pretty much just hit or miss, for me. Humans X anthro very much included.

Hand holding is lewd now?
Bruh.
Hand holding is no where near lewd lol.
Of course it isn't.

That's precisely the joke. The joke is that it's unnecessary censorship, because the thing it's censoring is completely safe and mundane. :p
 
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The Roger Rabbit movie was hardcore af; that toon dissolving dip scene still ****s me up a bit.
Ehh, never scared me that much.
I know they are literally dissolving, but not the scariest thing I saw.
 

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I mean, there's also the other argument of, the last story of Sonic '06 is dumb.
Like really dumb.
Like, look man I gotta be honest, outside of animal human thing, the whole Sonic dying thing was hokey. It was an attempt to try to make a serious plot that just look you're a cartoon hedgehog who eats chili dogs and goes fast. And now you have him dead, and then they have to find a way to bring him back so he can be there for the final battle. Like I'm not sure to accurately describe how I feel about the last story apart from it was dumb, it was not a good climax for your story.

Like I don't think it's too much of a stretch, or even a hot take, to say the plot needed to be massively rewritten. Especially if they wanted to do this darker and serious JPRG plot. Could it have worked? I don't ****in know. '06 was a Development nightmare, it was a ****show before it even hit the release date.
 
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