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I thought you have to pay for all the orbs and banners that come out? Unless i'm mistaken here.

Well if they don't accept Monopoly money then i'm ****ed.

Although no joke, I don't like mobile games that much but i'd be all over an Advance Wars Heroes. If nothing else just to see the Advance Wars CO's with voice acting and all that. I imagine Andy sounding like Tai from Digimon Adventures.
...you really have no idea of how it works, do you?
Eh, well where I've gotten up to, its never outright stated Endeavor is physically abusive, just that he is emotionally abusive. But the physical abuse is very clearly implied
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And there's no reason to assume this was a one-off thing.

Endeavor's in-universe fanbase being mainly comprised of 34-year old males is also not quite subtle from Horikoshi.
I don't do Waifus, Shishœ. I just don't like people lying about bad units like Arden :p
>Bad units
>Arden
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I thought you have to pay for all the orbs and banners that come out? Unless i'm mistaken here.
The game gives away tons of free orbs, actually. It's really generous compared to the vast majority of other gachas out there. It's perfectly possible to not put a single cent into the game and still build lots of really strong, competitive teams. I've been playing since launch, and haven't spent anything on the game myself, and I have something like 60 or 70 fully-built characters, just as an example (time, on the other hand, I've spent way too much of that on this game).
 
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...you really have no idea of how it works, do you?
lol no.
The game gives away tons of free orbs, actually. It's really generous compared to the vast majority of other gachas out there. It's perfectly possible to not put a single cent into the game and still build lots of really strong, competitive teams. I've been playing since launch, and haven't spent anything on the game myself, and I have something like 60 or 70 fully-built characters, just as an example (time, on the other hand, I've spent way too much of that on this game).
That's actually pretty cool. A better system put in place then most mobile games.
 

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Yeah I just want to see interactions between the Wars World CO's and the Days of Ruin CO's and see how disgusted the DoR CO's are with how lightly the WW ones treat war.

Imagine Will/Brenner finding out about Andy/Eagle's little "friendly competition" in the bonus mission of AW1 lol.
That is true, plus that creepy chick from Dark Conflict, the one with the teddy bear, could have some dialouge with Andy and friends

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And there's no reason to assume this was a one-off thing.

Endeavor's in-universe fanbase being mainly comprised of 34-year old males is also not quite subtle from Horikoshi.
Right, forgot about that scene, and is pretty much said, Endeavor is the reason why she snapped.

>Bad units
>Arden
Choose one
Didn't you play FE4?

He's bad there.
 
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lol no.

That's actually pretty cool. A better system put in place then most mobile games.
Yes, although don't let that fool you into thinking it's still fair.

Units are separated into colors (their type). When you go to to summon one with your orbs, 5 summoning colors will appear at completely random, so if you're trying to go for let's say a green unit, you might have 0 chance cause that color could not appear.

This layer of RNG is honestly BS.
 

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That is true, plus that creepy chick from Dark Conflict, the one with the teddy bear, could have some dialouge with Andy and friends



Right, forgot about that scene, and is pretty much said, Endeavor is the reason why she snapped.



Didn't you play FE4?

He's bad there.
I think you mean Penny.

Yeah, I want to see an interaction between Lash (the gal in my avi) and Penny. I think Penny was based on Lash somewhat (a lot of Days of Ruin CO's are influenced by the Wars World ones) so it would be funny to see the two insane CO's from both games interact.

Brenner/Hawke would also be a cool interaction. They're basically opposites of each other and look a like in a lot of ways. Hawke, the oppertunist and Brenner, the idealist.

And then of course there would have to be an interaction between Sturm and Von Bolt. I'd imagine Sturm would be pissed when he finds out that Von Bolt took the Black Hole Army for himself and for his own purposes.
 
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Didn't you play FE4?

He's bad there.
Who the **** even cares about FE4? We talking about quad Arden here.
Yes, although don't let that fool you into thinking it's still fair.

Units are separated into colors (their type). When you go to to summon one with your orbs, 5 summoning colors will appear at completely random, so if you're trying to go for let's say a green unit, you might have 0 chance cause that color could not appear.

This layer of RNG is honestly BS.
God you're so naive I'm almost jealous.
 

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Yo, any of the current banners has a nice green units?
I picked green balls in the Ayra one and I keep getting Camillas.
 
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I see.

I can't say I'd be jealous of someone with a poor attitude.
What I mean is that you haven't seen how bad other Gachas are with their rates.
6% for any 5* is huge and the fact you can snipe for specific units is a blessing
Yo, any of the current banners has a nice green units?
I picked green balls in the Ayra one and I keep getting Camillas.
Kana is a Green Dragon and she's on a banner currently and Green Bow Lyn will come out soon.
 
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What I mean is that you haven't seen how bad other Gachas are with their rates.
6% for any 5* is huge and the fact you can snipe for specific units is a blessing

Kana is a Green Dragon and she's on a banner currently and Green Bow Lyn will come out soon.
I think you're falling into one of those situations where someone sees a negative attribute thrown into mix and considering it to be the absolute worst. No, I already mentioned in this very thread that you can obtain things and even at the beginning of that post I said "yes" at his response of it being more fair than other mobile games.

I play a lot of gacha, so no, I'm not "naive" as you put it. I'm merely stating that the odds still aren't in your favor regardless if this game is a bit more forgiving than other gachas.
 

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I don't care if it's adorable.

It's suboptimal.

Plus, AyraxLex is better.
I mean, I don't really think there's a "bad" pairing for Ayra in FE4. Regardless of who you pair her with her kids are probably going to turn out good.

Speaking of pairings and FE4, I recently finished my 3rd playthrough of the game. Tried to go for some deliberatley unconventional pairings, so I did stuff like Lewyn x Lachesis and Arden x Erinys. Fun stuff.
But I got Tharja \o/
I'm so sorry.
 
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What I mean is that you haven't seen how bad other Gachas are with their rates.
6% for any 5* is huge and the fact you can snipe for specific units is a blessing
A polished turd is still a turd, though. Heroes might be better than other gachas, but that still doesn't make its system particularly great. It's still ultimately unfair to the player. I think there are a few ways in which they could make the system fairer still and not impact on their income, but they've been doing well enough so far that I doubt they'll see any reason to change it, unfortunately.
 
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I think you're falling into one of those situations where someone sees a negative attribute thrown into mix and considering it to be the absolute worst. No, I already mentioned in this very thread that you can obtain things and even at the beginning of that post I said "yes" at his response of it being more fair than other mobile games.

I play a lot of gacha, so no, I'm not "naive" as you put it. I'm merely stating that the odds still aren't in your favor regardless if this game is a bit more forgiving than other gachas.
You talk about units being separated by color and the chances of the colored stones appearing as if it was bull**** and that the system isn't fair when those are some of the reasons FEH is actually fair.
What a ****ing elitist. :laugh:
I have no idea where you got that from my post.
 

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Yo, any of the current banners has a nice green units?
I picked green balls in the Ayra one and I keep getting Camillas.
Like Shoe said, there's Female Kana right now, who's a pretty solid enemy phase unit.

And Legendary Lyn is coming soon too. And even the "pity breakers" would be pretty good for you, with Halloween Henry being a pretty fast mage with great defenses and Arts Inigo being a Dancer unit, which can be really amazing if done right.
 

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Yo, any of the current banners has a nice green units?
Kana is a Green Dragon and she's on a banner currently and Green Bow Lyn will come out soon.
Seconded.

I beat my head against a wall for a moment on Kana but I think her true goal in life on a budget build is basically Tank All The Things.

Have a pretty terrifying build solidifying in my mind.
 
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You talk about units being separated by color and the chances of the colored stones appearing as if it was bull**** and that the system isn't fair when those are some of the reasons FEH is actually fair.

I have no idea where you got that from my post.
Except it isn't when you want a unit of that color and are constantly not getting that color and wasting tons of orbs and your chance at that 5* when you end up pulling a red 5* when you want a green 5*?
 
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Except it isn't when you want a unit of that color and are constantly not getting that color and wasting tons of orbs and your chance at that 5* when you end up pulling a red 5* when you want a green 5*?
All it means is that you didn't roll your unit, it's as bad as wanting a specific unit and not getting it.
Units are rolled before the you select the stones, so even if that Red stone was Green, it still would be a Not-unit-you-want
 
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All it means is that you didn't roll your unit, it's as bad as wanting a specific unit and not getting it.
Units are rolled before the you select the stones, so even if that Red stone was Green, it still would be a Not-unit-you-want
No it isn't, because you lost your pity bonus on a unit you don't need.
 

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I have no idea where you got that from my post.
I apologize, but really. Read your post to yourself.
God you're so naive I'm almost jealous.
Like, this post is just beyond petty. Its the same **** elitists say all the time. Just unnecessary mockery, you know?Its cringey to be honest.

I'm not trying to hate on you, its just... Why?
 
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No it isn't, because you lost your pity bonus on a unit you don't need.
Pity is just an added bonus, it's not even a thing in most Gachas. If it happens at least be happy you got a 5*.
I apologize, but really. Read your post to yourself.

Like, this post is just beyond petty. Its the same **** elitists say all the time. Just unnecessary mockery, you know?Its cringey to be honest.

I'm not trying to hate on you, its just... Why?
Petty? Mockery? All I was doing was joking, you're the one taking it seriously.
 
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Pity is just an added bonus, it's not even a thing in most Gachas. If it happens at least be happy you got a 5*.
Gachas I play have pity bonus and in this you're literally having 0 chance when the color you need doesn't appear, that's a big difference. At least when I'm playing another gacha I'm still having the chance to obtain what I want, but this additional layer of RNG I'm not a fan of at all.

Petty? Mockery? All I was doing was joking, you're the one taking it seriously.
Didn't seem like a joke to me tbh.
 

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We have been blessed this day.
 
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Gachas I play have pity bonus and in this you're literally having 0 chance when the color you need doesn't appear, that's a big difference. At least when I'm playing another gacha I'm still having the chance to obtain what I want, but this additional layer of RNG I'm not a fan of at all.
But that's not how the summoning system works at all. The stones are the result, they're not another layer of RNG.
-Game rolls for Rarity
-Game rolls for unit within that Rarity
-Unit appears in the summoning screen as a colored stone of their respective color.
Didn't seem like a joke to me tbh.
It doesn't look like one in the slightest.
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Being the fairest gacha is like being the tallest dwarf. You should be able to discuss a system's faults without sidestepping it and saying others are worse.
 

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Dokkan Battle once gave 300 stones for free after a bug.

I'd say that's pretty fair. :denzel:

Of course that was just a bug that ocurred on the Japan server, that was fixed before it hit Global. So no stones for us.

Also Global got an even worse bug recently that we got... 1 stone as an apology.
 

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About to see Infinity War! I've waited for almost a third of my life for this.
 

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I think you're falling into one of those situations where someone sees a negative attribute thrown into mix and considering it to be the absolute worst. No, I already mentioned in this very thread that you can obtain things and even at the beginning of that post I said "yes" at his response of it being more fair than other mobile games.

I play a lot of gacha, so no, I'm not "naive" as you put it. I'm merely stating that the odds still aren't in your favor regardless if this game is a bit more forgiving than other gachas.
You talk about units being separated by color and the chances of the colored stones appearing as if it was bull**** and that the system isn't fair when those are some of the reasons FEH is actually fair.
Except it isn't when you want a unit of that color and are constantly not getting that color and wasting tons of orbs and your chance at that 5* when you end up pulling a red 5* when you want a green 5*?
Feel your pain, but still siding with Shoe on this one. Being able to narrow down roles to pull for in combat is an immense help.

You can say that you only maybe get to snipe a certain color, because maybe it comes up in the pool, maybe it doesn't.

But I would kick your children and your puppy to be able to maybe snipe greens in KHUX.

Does it involve murdering her male self in cold blood for that Brazen skill? :p
It does not.

This is the kind of build I'd really want a Distant Counter for, so that slot's taken. Distant Def seal can make up the difference when a wild Reinhardt appears. Give me a +Def IV, and up close she's got 40 effective Def.

Thinking she'd actually want a -HP bane just so she can keep the rest of her spread. -Spd kind of hampers something she's honestly really good at, but it might not be the end of the world. -Res just opens her up further to mage assaults, and she's already scraping for 30 Res to start (though that gets to 36 if she's fighting a proper mage and not another dragon, and that's not terrible) and really wants every last point.

Can leave Goad Dragons right where it is, slap a retaliatory skill in the B slot (personally thinking Vantage or some kind of Breaker), and watch her honestly-just-decent-but-workable Atk punch anything foolish enough to try to punch her first. With a neutral 34 Spd she's already a lot harder to double than most of her contemporaries - comes in second among dragons, tying F!Corrin and only losing to F!Grima - so I'm thinking she should be able to soak up a glass cannon's initial volley and break them in half on the retort.

Leaning towards Res for the Water Breath+ refine. I'd entertain the Mt or Def options, but 40 Res against mages and 34 against dragons is by no means unwelcome.
 
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I saw Infinity War, including the part in the credits.
That was amazing. It was the most unexpected movie I have seen.
My went off and took to dog over. I didn't want to go with him as I didn't have the heart

Here are some pictures of her (first was the day we took her home)
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Aww... :(
I feel so bad for you.
Looks like a nice dog.
All of you nerds rubbing your Ayras made me say "**** it" and use 5 orbs.

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Guess I'll rub mine too.
WE ALL HAVE AYRAS!

Mine is -HP +RES, I am not going to burn my orbs for another one though.
 

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I think besides being very generous, one of the things that makes me appreciate Heroes is that all of the regular versions of units(besides Charlotte) can be gotten anytime, even the rarest ones like Saber and Linde. And while you do have Fjorm and Gunnthra, Fjorm is gotten for free on a Chapter and IS does tell you when Gunnthra is coming up, meaning you can save up for her.

Compared to say, Grand Order where there are a ton of Limited units that aren't even alternate versions, the worst offender being Scathach, who was part of promotion materials and whatnot. How would you feel if you were shown all of the characters on the title screen, promotion materials and whatnot back then, IS really advertised these characters and whatnot, and then you learn that a couple of the characters on the title screen could only be gotten whenever they are on a Banner? Not an alternate version of a character, but the regular version of a character? It's disgusting.
Gunnthra could be considered similar, but IS at least tells ahead of time when she comes back, compared to Grand Order which is definitely one of those, "Tells you at the last moment" scenarios when a Limited character is shown to be coming back.

The opposite is somewhat happening with the Alt craze going, with alternate versions of characters starting to appear on the regular rolls. While some of the Alts are nice, it starting to devalue the Choose your Legends Alts and now, CYL3 is very possibly going to be more of, "Which characters do we want who haven't gotten in yet?" rather than a popularity contest compared to the 1st and 2nd ones.

But regardless, I still consider it a good thing that the regular characters in general have always been added to the Summon Pool and that you can potentially get them anytime, compared to say, always being stuck on a Banner. And Legendary Heroes hasn't reached this level yet, besides with Gunnthra, as Fjorm can be gotten for free and the rest are alternate versions of characters. And I hope it stays that way.
 

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Being the fairest gacha is like being the tallest dwarf. You should be able to discuss a system's faults without sidestepping it and saying others are worse.
Don't disagree, but I'm of the opinion that the flaws in this system are flaws with gacha games as a whole, rather than anything attributable to FEH in particular, and should be discussed in that context.

I've yet to see anything perfectly handle the problem that you can't always get what you want (which makes sense, as it's a main driver for gacha whales and therefore the genre as a whole), but FEH is by far the best I've ever seen regarding how you can work with what you get.

Yelling at FEH for the summoning pool stuff doesn't make as much sense as yelling at the gacha genre as a whole. Especially when it's made it possible to snipe.

If FEH operated like the other gachas I've seen, you'd pay 20 orbs for a roll of five units. What comes up, comes up. If I'm sniping Kana and Hinata and the pool comes up with four reds and a blue, I can grab one (probably the blue) and walk off with 15 of the 20 orbs I would've burnt elsewhere, ready to try again.
 
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Gacha is always going to be bad no matter how you slice it. Polished turd and all that. Is heroes better than most gacha? maybe. Does that mean it isnt using predatory practices and the same systems as all other gacha? Yeah pretty much.


Randomly decided to give my copy of Punvh Out (wii) another try. IT WORKS AND IT DOESNT CRASH ON GLASS JOE ANYMORE.

YEAHHHH
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it probably was considering all the damn teasing these past two to three years about crash’s return. But I wasn’t inferring it directly affected roster planning. Just that now the modern day era of gamers have a much better introduction to him as the revival is heavily known and got people to remember or experience the games for the first time. Which in turn helps raise awareness of crash as a character
Without the port, there's no reason to think there'd be any interest from Nintendo in including Crash. This isn't a Cloud situation. There was no major demand for Crash Bandicoot in Smash during Smash 4's speculation. The only time he's ever really been in demand is now.

In order for what you're saying to have any bearing on the Smash roster, you'd have to assume that Sakurai not only knew of a Playstation-exclusive game long before it was even announced (developed by a Western studio, on top of that), knew that it was going to get ported to the Switch all that time in advance, knew that it would be successful (which was questionable in the first place, given that Crash has been putting out stinker after stinker ever since Naughty Dog quit producing the series), AND knew that there'd be a sudden surge in fan demand for Crash to be in Smash Bros.

In what universe is this a realistic scenario at all?
 

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Not gonna deny that FEH is better than most gachas, but I feel like "everyone else does it" isn't really a good defense.

Especially as a good chunk of FEH players in my experience don't really play other gachas.
 
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Feel your pain, but still siding with Shoe on this one. Being able to narrow down roles to pull for in combat is an immense help.

You can say that you only maybe get to snipe a certain color, because maybe it comes up in the pool, maybe it doesn't.

But I would kick your children and your puppy to be able to maybe snipe greens in KHUX.
But it's essentially RNG on top of RNG. Not only is it chance that you get the unit you want, it's chance that you can even have a chance to pull the unit you want. This also isn't factoring that when you are pulling things that are giving you 0 chance to get what you want, you are wasting away your currency so you could use the argument that although this game gives you more orbs, you are essentially throwing them away at the same time in a lot of situations vs always theoretically having a chance compared to some other gachas.

I would understand if they allowed you to at least pull confirmed 2 colors of your choosing per each wheel, but the way it is now sucks and is only made bearable because orbs are easier to obtain compared to other gachas.

I know RNG is a factor in all these games, but when I tried to go for Grima I ended up using 300 orbs and most of that was me having literally 0 chance cause I kept getting every other color and constantly throwing away my pity bonus. It needs improvement.
 
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