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[Chandeelure]

I just think nintendo need to recruit more Western devs,and get out of the Activision-EA-Ubisoft circle-jerk.

There was a lot of complains that the eigth game sucked and got too mainstream,though.

8 was fine, but it didn't have orbs, and those were awesome.

 

[Deleted member]

I just think nintendo need to recruit more Western devs,and get out of the Activision-EA-Ubisoft circle-jerk.

There was a lot of complains that the eigth game sucked and got too mainstream.

Western devs will develop for the console with the bigger install base. Ergo, the PS4.

Simply put, larger install base = larger potential sales. Moreover, 3rd party devs compete with Nintendo on Nintendo consoles, thus, 3rd party games have never sold too well on there. See, Deus Ex Directors Cut, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, W101, and Bayonetta 2 on WiiU. All of them had very lack luster sales. This is especially hindered by the fact that Nintendo likes to make consoles with cheaper hardware to make them more affordable, thus, 3rd party games on Nintendo consoles tend to be the worst of the three.

We saw a lot of this during the 6th gen with the GCN, which, because it had a weaker GPU, it tended to have uglier versions of the multiplat games in most cases since it was difficult to optimize for. Thus, 3rd party games on GCN sold worse than their Xbox and PS2 counterparts.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I have the first Yokai Watch and just never had time to dedicate to it. So the fact there are two of the sequel is makes me think why bother lol.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's not inevitable, not in the slightest.

For starters, where could the possibly take the franchise from here if not a reboot? The amount of content in this game is insane, and honestly insuperable. The man hours grow exponentially with each entry to the series.

Second of all, a new Smash hinges on the NX being successful. WiiU proved that Smash is no longer a franchise that can sell consoles the way it used to. And considering all the news and rumors surrounding the NX, I wouldn't set my hopes too high:

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/read/ubisoft-we-believe-nx-will-recapture-the-wii-audience/0168585

Nintendo has a lot of faith in the NX, but they also had a lot of faith on the WiiU, and look at how that turned out. I can tell you one thing though, if it's meant for casual appeal (which all signs point to yes), you can count me out for sure. Which is the general consensus among most gamers. Nobody wants another gimmicky Nintendo console which they'll give lackluster support to.

More than anything though, the success on the NX will depend on 3rd party support, and until Nintendo manages to turn that boat around, I doubt we'll be seeing anything promising from their next console. Simply look at the sales of Nintendo consoles to get a hint. They cut in half each gen. Lighting struck with the Wii, but I doubt lightning will strike twice. The Wii's retention rate proves that, and VR is the hot new item these days, which Nintendo has vocally declared they're not too keen on trying out.

In short, don't count your chickens till they hatch. A new Smash, like the success of the NX, is NOT "inevitable."

Why the **** does Smash need a reboot? It's already a game that sells great. Don't go "muh wee yoo version" because the 3DS version convinced people not to get a 3DS or was seen as a better alternative due to a cheaper price and an earlier release date. Oh, and despite lower sales, Smash sold well enough on the Wii U to be a financial success. Wii had lots of good games, including fun games that aren't for 'teh casuls' so having a majority of your fans being casual isn't bad. You claim "VR is the hot thing these days" yet you seem to conveniently forget how lots of people showed distaste in the price and how lots of people weren't expecting a good E3 this year because of 'VR circlejerk'

 

[Burruni]

Wait, are the Yo-Kai racing or is that a minigigame?

Side mode. It's... a competitive hunting thing.

So far, a few people are interested in the sequel here.

I was hoping for something that would peak your interests.

Sigh..

Fumi, you know that I sunk a FAIR amount of time into beating and completing most of the Medallium of YW1.

2 doesn't really seem to fix the things wrong with it but instead focused hard on taking what was present and polishing it up.
Great for pre-existing fans but it isn't going to open the market on it much more.

 

[TurboLink]

Well TBH I didn't like the decreased emphasis on story in this game. It's one of the things LoZ is best known for so removing that is pretty disheartening to see. Even more so when you consider the fact that you can complete this game without having important to go through important plot points.

LOL. That wasn't towards you.

 

[Yellowlord]

Next up is Monster Hunter Generations!

 

[BandanaWaddleDee]

Not related too much to the game, but I really wish Yo-Kai Watch got a proper dubbing company to dub it. The existing one kinda sucks.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Ah Monster Hunter, one of the few redeeming things about Modern Capcom. This will be interesting.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I don't think Yokai-Watch is for me, I'm sure the sequel will be great for fans though.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

So i guess there was no new sonic game shown when i was at school?

 

[BluePikmin11]

Fumi, you know that I sunk a FAIR amount of time into beating and completing most of the Medallium of YW1.

2 doesn't really seem to fix the things wrong with it but instead focused hard on taking what was present and polishing it up.
Great for pre-existing fans but it isn't going to open the market on it much more.

They don't cover in the current interview, but there is improvement in the "catching system" and a better story from what I heard from a lot of YW fans. Plus, there is an online mode, and a very competitive Busters mode that adults in Japan participate in. I'll give a full list later.

 

[Deleted member]

Why the **** does Smash need a reboot? It's already a game that sells great. Don't go "muh wee yoo version" because the 3DS version convinced people not to get a 3DS or was seen as a better alternative due to a cheaper price and an earlier release date. Oh, and despite lower sales, Smash sold well enough on the Wii U to be a financial success. Wii had lots of good games, including fun games that aren't for 'teh casuls' so having a majority of your fans being casual isn't bad. You claim "VR is the hot thing these days" yet you seem to conveniently forget how lots of people showed distaste in the price and how lots of people weren't expecting a good E3 this year because of 'VR circlejerk'

Smash WiiU didn't save the WiiU.

Smash sells great, ofc it does, but it doesn't sell consoles anymore. After Melee, Smash was THE reason to buy a console. This was the case for many people. But it wasn't the case with Smash WiiU, as WiiU sales still remain dismal. And yeah, the Wii had a great library, better than the WiiU in fact. However, it still had an awful retention rate. Most of those great games went unplayed by many, and sold very very poorly. Wii sold phenomenally, and then it collected dust.

Also, you seemed to miss my point. WiiU also went for casual appeal with the gimmicky WiiU tablet, and it failed to draw in the casual, and only further pushed away hardcore fans. Each time Nintendo tries to appeal to casual, they lose more and more fans. Personal example, after the WiiU, I'm not getting the NX, and this is the case for a lot of WiiU owners who felt burned by Nintendo with the 8th gen. You lose consumer faith, that's what you do. SEGA did the same EXACT mistake with the Saturn by constantly releasing new consoles and add ons. In the end, the consumer lost faith in their products. Just because Nintendo is trying to appeal to casuals again, doesn't mean they'll succeed. WiiU was a perfect example of that.

As for VR, both the Rift and Vive are sold out, and backlogged. PSVR filled up its preorders the moment it was announced. So idk what you're talking about. A couple negative articles by clickbait websites don't mean the tech is dead in the water, especially when it's in its infancy, and has the capacity to reach out to various industries outside of gaming. The success of VR will be mostly in external industries than in gaming imo.

And finally, to answer your question, "Why does Smash need a reboot?"
Ok, you're in charge of the new Smash, you have a limited budget, and a strict development window. What do you do with the next entry?

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

So Pokken is potentially getting new characters added to it? That's the best news we've gotten today.

 

[AreJay25]

So i guess there was no new sonic game shown when i was at school?

Nope. It's getting revealed next month.

 

[ChikoLad]

So i guess there was no new sonic game shown when i was at school?

There never was going to be, but no there wasn't.

The two 25th Anniversary parties are what you want to watch for the new Sonic game.

 

[BandanaWaddleDee]

Man, every trailer is getting mad dislikes.
Ever Oasis
Mario Party Star Rush (I'm guilty of that)
And now Yo-Kai Watch 2

 

[BluePikmin11]

Man, every trailer is getting mad dislikes.
Ever Oasis
Mario Party Star Rush (I'm guilty of that)
And now Yo-Kai Watch 2

I see the trailer for YW2, not much dislikes as of now.

 

[Wolfie557]

But what about the Fire Emblem characters? We have about too many of those, right?

Well I have yet to play FE so....
I wouldn't mind 1-2 more unique ones as long as Roy/Lucina are gone. And please...more stages. FE needs more stages for the amount of characters it has.

 

[Burruni]

They don't cover in the current interview, but there is improvement in the "catching system" and a better story from what I heard from a lot of YW fans. Plus, there is an online mode, and a very competitive Busters mode that adults in Japan participate in. I'll give a full list later.

I'm honestly interested in the improvement to the catching system, because all I really found in what was seen is that your hunting and scanning is done directly on the overworld without going into a search subscreen.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Smash WiiU didn't save the WiiU.

Smash sells great, ofc it does, but it doesn't sell consoles anymore. After Melee, Smash was THE reason to buy a console. This was the case for many people. But it wasn't the case with Smash WiiU, as WiiU sales still remain dismal. And yeah, the Wii had a great library, better than the WiiU in fact. However, it still had an awful retention rate. Most of those great games went unplayed by many, and sold very very poorly. Wii sold phenomenally, and then it collected dust.

Also, you seemed to miss my point. WiiU also went for casual appeal with the gimmicky WiiU tablet, and it failed to draw in the casual, and only further pushed away hardcore fans. Each time Nintendo tries to appeal to casual, they lose more and more fans. Personal example, after the WiiU, I'm not getting the NX, and this is the case for a lot of WiiU owners who felt burned by Nintendo with the 8th gen. You lose consumer faith, that's what you do. SEGA did the same EXACT mistake with the Saturn by constantly releasing new consoles and add ons. In the end, the consumer lost faith in their products. Just because Nintendo is trying to appeal to casuals again, doesn't mean they'll succeed. WiiU was a perfect example of that.

As for VR, both the Rift and Vive are sold out, and backlogged. PSVR filled up its preorders the moment it was announced. So idk what you're talking about. A couple negative articles by clickbait websites don't mean the tech is dead in the water, especially when it's in its infancy, and has the capacity to reach out to various industries outside of gaming. The success of VR will be mostly in external industries than in gaming imo.

I have bad news sir. The diagnosis came back. You have a new illness which prevents you from acknowledging the Nintendo 3DS which had the best selling Smash game. It also means it doesn't bloody matter if the Wii U sold like hot cakes because of Smash or not. 'still dismal'? It's certainly not a success but Nintendo still earned profit since Mario Kart 8. What does the Wii's life matter now? Does it matter if it's gathering dust after 10 years? 'Nintendo loses more and more fans' Sources? The **** are those? So...Because YOU don't want an NX after getting a Wii U, no one will? By that very logic, wouldn't the Wii U have been a ****ing goldmine because of Wii fans loving the Wii? A console after about 5 years isn't 'constantly releasing new consoles and addons' last time I checked
'clickbait articles' I'm not talking about articles, but from reactions from people who didn't like VR.

 

[Bananija]

Man, every trailer is getting mad dislikes.
Ever Oasis
Mario Party Star Rush (I'm guilty of that)
And now Yo-Kai Watch 2

It doesn't seem that mad honestly.

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[Chrono.]

It doesn't seem that mad honestly.

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Yeah this is pretty standard.

Hell, I expected Star Rush to be 50/50.

 

[Wolfie557]

I have over 650 platinum points and NOTHING to spend it on.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

It doesn't seem that mad honestly.

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Yep, this is no worse than last year's E3 with Federation Farce, Amiibo Party, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, and Yo-Kai Watch (because lol Pokemon fanboys).

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Persona artist drew this for Fantasy Zone 30th anniversary

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

Well I have yet to play FE so....
I wouldn't mind 1-2 more unique ones as long as Roy/Lucina are gone. And please...more stages. FE needs more stages for the amount of characters it has.

So Fates Opera stage when?

Also, Anna plz

 

[Ura]

LOL. That wasn't towards you.

Yeah I know lol. I was just pointing out something that people might have not liked about the Zelda game. The game looks great all in all and i'm really looking forward to playing the game but the decreased emphasis on story is a bummer to here mainly because it's a staple of the LoZ series.

More importantly there's going to be less Zelda theories for this game compared to other games. Theories are one of my favorite fanon aspects of Zelda so that being gone is sad.

 

[Opossum]

I have bad news sir. The diagnosis came back. You have a new illness which prevents you from acknowledging the Nintendo 3DS which had the best selling Smash game. It also means it doesn't bloody matter if the Wii U sold like hot cakes because of Smash or not. 'still dismal'? It's certainly not a success but Nintendo still earned profit since Mario Kart 8. What does the Wii's life matter now? Does it matter if it's gathering dust after 10 years? 'Nintendo loses more and more fans' Sources? The **** are those? So...Because YOU don't want an NX after getting a Wii U, no one will? By that very logic, wouldn't the Wii U have been a ****ing goldmine because of Wii fans loving the Wii? A console after about 5 years isn't 'constantly releasing new consoles and addons' last time I checked
'clickbait articles' I'm not talking about articles, but from reactions from people who didn't like VR.

You don't need to get so mad at everything you disagree with. I mean, it got to the point of you strawman-ing a lot of what he said. Just chill. Seriously.

Also 3DS internet still sucks. Can't even view pictures.

 

[Yellowlord]

Dragon Quest is up next! (Btw, that monster in Monster Hunter Generations took forever to go down. XD)

 

[Wolfie557]

FINALLY DRAGON QUEST.

IMA GET ICECREAM READY.

 

[Bananija]

Yep, this is no worse than last year's E3 with Federation Farce, Amiibo Party, Tokyo Mirage Sessions, and Yo-Kai Watch (because lol Pokemon fanboys).

"This is no worse" is an understatement, it's way better this year. I remember that some of these (like Federation Force and Amiibo DLC Party) had negative likes/dislikes ratio.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I'm honestly interested in the improvement to the catching system, because all I really found in what was seen is that your hunting and scanning is done directly on the overworld without going into a search subscreen.

There are a couple of improvements. I'll go ask some JPN fans about the new features.

I'll get back to you on it later in a later post, I know there are new ways to improve the chances of catching Yo-kai.

 

[Coricus]

Smash WiiU didn't save the WiiU.

Smash sells great, ofc it does, but it doesn't sell consoles anymore. After Melee, Smash was THE reason to buy a console. This was the case for many people. But it wasn't the case with Smash WiiU, as WiiU sales still remain dismal. And yeah, the Wii had a great library, better than the WiiU in fact. However, it still had an awful retention rate. Most of those great games went unplayed by many, and sold very very poorly. Wii sold phenomenally, and then it collected dust.

Also, you seemed to miss my point. WiiU also went for casual appeal with the gimmicky WiiU tablet, and it failed to draw in the casual, and only further pushed away hardcore fans. Each time Nintendo tries to appeal to casual, they lose more and more fans. Personal example, after the WiiU, I'm not getting the NX, and this is the case for a lot of WiiU owners who felt burned by Nintendo with the 8th gen. You lose consumer faith, that's what you do. SEGA did the same EXACT mistake with the Saturn by constantly releasing new consoles and add ons. In the end, the consumer lost faith in their products. Just because Nintendo is trying to appeal to casuals again, doesn't mean they'll succeed. WiiU was a perfect example of that.

As for VR, both the Rift and Vive are sold out, and backlogged. PSVR filled up its preorders the moment it was announced. So idk what you're talking about. A couple negative articles by clickbait websites don't mean the tech is dead in the water, especially when it's in its infancy, and has the capacity to reach out to various industries outside of gaming. The success of VR will be mostly in external industries than in gaming imo.

And finally, to answer your question, "Why does Smash need a reboot?"
Ok, you're in charge of the new Smash, you have a limited budget, and a strict development window. What do you do with the next entry?

It's not like Smash sold Wiis. The only system you could argue it pushed was the Gamecube, and even that is the next worst selling system after the Wii U. Smash wasn't even remotely the reason most people bought a Wii, it just rode the wave the casual market created. Smash isn't really much of a "system seller" if it only sold one system.

And Nintendo was bleeding fans long before they "went casual." Look at how sales sunk from NES to SNES, SNES to 64, 64 to Gamecube. Going casual is what bailed them out of the downward spiral, it's just that it only lasted about a generation.

And what would I do if I was in charge of Smash? Port as much code from the previous games as I can get away with. It's cheap, but it should lighten the workload considerably.

If it's a matter of "what would you even come up with to do with it," I would suggest a 2D open world story mode with missions and shops scattered around it, but I'll admit that requires a bit bigger of a budget. Still, if I can come up with that then I'm sure someone else can come up with a cheaper way of making a new title stand out.

 

[Erureido]

Well I have yet to play FE so....
I wouldn't mind 1-2 more unique ones as long as Roy/Lucina are gone. And please...more stages. FE needs more stages for the amount of characters it has.

Opera House and Plains of Hoshido are some of my most wanted stages right now, not to mention more FE stages means more awesome tracks from Fates could appear in the next Smash.

 

[Wolfie557]

Here's a 20 minute video of the Zelda Day/Night cycle because there's nothing better than staring at Zelda.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/zelda/movie/top.mp4

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You don't need to get so mad at everything you disagree with. I mean, it got to the point of you strawman-ing a lot of what he said. Just chill. Seriously.

Also 3DS internet still sucks. Can't even view pictures.

So...Me being a bit rude means mad? Sorry Possum Pal, but if I see something I believe is outright wrong, that being that 'smash isn't guaranteed a sequel because of the Wii U', I'm going to just disagree, with my traditional brash style. I could have been less aggressive though, point taken.

Oh my god you're still on the 3DS? Q.Q I tried that a few years ago. Took me 10 minutes to read a single page

Here's a 20 minute video of the Zelda Day/Night cycle because there's nothing better than staring at Zelda.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/zelda/movie/top.mp4

What about staring at Hyrule or shirtless Link?

 

[Aetheri]

Yeah I know lol. I was just pointing out something that people might have not liked about the Zelda game. The game looks great all in all and i'm really looking forward to playing the game but the decreased emphasis on story is a bummer to here mainly because it's a staple of the LoZ series.

More importantly there's going to be less Zelda theories for this game compared to other games. Theories are one of my favorite fanon aspects of Zelda so that being gone is sad.

There's still going to be a lot of story in the game, just most of it will be very much optional, considering you can face the final boss as soon as you start...it really depends on the player and whether they want to get the most out of the game...

So far Nintendo's not showing us anything regarding the story so as not to spoil us...this game will still have it's fair share of theories...some Youtubers have already cooked up some theories regarding this game...

 

[Deleted member]

I have bad news sir. The diagnosis came back. You have a new illness which prevents you from acknowledging the Nintendo 3DS which had the best selling Smash game. It also means it doesn't bloody matter if the Wii U sold like hot cakes because of Smash or not. 'still dismal'? It's certainly not a success but Nintendo still earned profit since Mario Kart 8. What does the Wii's life matter now? Does it matter if it's gathering dust after 10 years? 'Nintendo loses more and more fans' Sources?

Hmm.... I think. I think I see a trend here. I predict the NX will sell worse than the WiiU. Just call me Nostradamus if you will.

The **** are those? So...Because YOU don't want an NX after getting a Wii U, no one will? By that very logic, wouldn't the Wii U have been a ****ing goldmine because of Wii fans loving the Wii? A console after about 5 years isn't 'constantly releasing new consoles and addons' last time I checked

After 5 years....

WiiU is dying ALMOST 5 years into its lifespan, and it's got the shallowest library out of any Nintendo console. It took 2 years to get started, and support for it was mostly dropped last E3. We've literally have had only Zelda and Starfox to look forward to since then, and SF was mediocre, and Zelda isn't out yet. By those accounts, WiiU was only ever "alive" for 2 years.

'clickbait articles' I'm not talking about articles, but from reactions from people who didn't like VR.

http://www.cnet.com/products/samsung-gear-vr-2015/
http://www.trustedreviews.com/htc-vive-review
http://www.trustedreviews.com/oculus-rift-review
http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/28/11284590/oculus-rift-vr-review
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/03/31/oculus-rift-review
http://www.gadgette.com/2016/06/13/htc-vive-review/

I'm not seeing much negativity here. 8/10 and 9/10 in most review sites. Also, every person whom I've seen try one has said it's amazing, just pricy and needs more software. For it's first generation, that's really good imo. The Giant Bomb "showcase" was obviously purposely negative for views, considering they're negative about EVERYTHING they review. That's their shtick, and even THEY praised VR as tech with a lot of potential.

So yeah, don't see where you're getting any of that.

Nintendo not doing VR is shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Deleted member]

https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/...-was-developed-by-a-younger-development-team/

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*in an intense reconsideration to wether get the name or not*

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