Nintendo tournaments and their rulesets

[Ryuutakeshi]

Because FD isn't in the demo. I'm positive post-release tournaments will stick with FD only for the finals at least. Possibly the entire tournament.

Okay... and why is that?

 

[guedes the brawler]

Er, why? FG is just their setup for random matches. Even SDCC had the finals all on battlefield.

because that's to showcase the new stuff they had

think: a for Glory setup is not only the easiest to manage, but it's the most accessible one. i bet you money (if i had any) that there will be quite a few new people to the scene that will show up in tournaments and wonder why people are picking non-FD stages.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

because that's to showcase the new stuff they had

think: a for Glory setup is not only the easiest to manage, but it's the most accessible one. i bet you money (if i had any) that there will be quite a few new people to the scene that will show up in tournaments and wonder why people are picking non-FD stages.

Are you implying these people don't know other stages exist or have no idea how tournaments are run? FG is just for random matchups. How stupid would you have to be to think that was reflective of how you have to play competitive smash offline? Because I haven't heard Sakurai or Nintendo say that it was.

 

[simpleglitch]

because that's to showcase the new stuff they had

think: a for Glory setup is not only the easiest to manage, but it's the most accessible one. i bet you money (if i had any) that there will be quite a few new people to the scene that will show up in tournaments and wonder why people are picking non-FD stages.

I would argue that the action in FD only matches would get old faster than even if you had a small verity of stages. I also have a feeling that Winners Finals at SDCC may have been more campy on FD (giving shiek the space needed to needle and grenade) making a much less hyped match. While tournaments matches don't necessarily need to be high octane all the time, high-energy matches definitely helps attendance. I don't see why tournaments would want to lessen variety on in favor of a very minimal benefit in management.

 

[LancerStaff]

Okay... and why is that?

Because the game is being balanced around it and it's likely going to be the go-to neutral stage because of it. Although, since they're balancing the game to more ground-based play, BF and other stage's platforms are less meaningful.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Are you implying these people don't know other stages exist or have no idea how tournaments are run? FG is just for random matchups. How stupid would you have to be to think that was reflective of how you have to play competitive smash offline? Because I haven't heard Sakurai or Nintendo say that it was.

i am arguing they'd try to make stuff more accessible.

if you just heard "hey, nintendo is making a tournament of smash nearby, i might go there to play", if you don't know anything about the competitive SCENE of smash bros, you will feel lost with some of the rules. Like counterpicking, for example. Having a For glory setup on nintendo tournaments seems like what they'd do, because that's how smash 4 seems to consider the default competitive mode, regardless of what we gave birth to.

I would argue that the action in FD only matches would get old faster than even if you had a small verity of stages. I also have a feeling that Winners Finals at SDCC may have been more campy on FD (giving shiek the space needed to needle and grenade) making a much less hyped match. While tournaments matches don't necessarily need to be high octane all the time, high-energy matches definitely helps attendance. I don't see why tournaments would want to lessen variety on in favor of a very minimal benefit in management.

it's not just that, it's accessibility. see my above post.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

i am arguing they'd try to make stuff more accessible.

if you just heard "hey, nintendo is making a tournament of smash nearby, i might go there to play", if you don't know anything about the competitive SCENE of smash bros, you will feel lost with some of the rules. Like counterpicking, for example. Having a For glory setup on nintendo tournaments seems like what they'd do, because that's how smash 4 seems to consider the default competitive mode, regardless of what we gave birth to.

Yeah, but that's not Nintendo's fault. They don't set up the scene. YOU guys do

Also, where was it said they were balancing around FD?

 

[simpleglitch]

it's not just that, it's accessibility. see my above post.

I apologize, I forgot to address accessibility.

IMO Accessibility may be a non-issue depending on the type of tournament. If the tournament is aimed at being on the more serious side (with top pro players entering) you would expect that there would be guidelines as to rules and processes to competing. In the digital age it is not difficult to distribute this information before, during, and after sign-up. All tournaments, smash or otherwise, have rules and guidelines that you must follow when you* attend, and as a tournament goer you* have a responsibility to read and understand them.

On top of that, we don't even know all of the "game setting" options available to use yet in sm4sh. Brawl had the ability to disable stages from the random stage select. Nintendo may have had foresight to include a feature to complete disable the stage from being selected in options.

note: you* is meant as a general statement for all tournament goers, not you specifically.

 

[Ryuutakeshi]

Actually, to further my post a bit, if you guys are worried about people being confused about the scene and its methods, maybe it'd be a good idea to educate people. Provide resources to help people understand how the scene works. Get them excited and enthused about how they have potential to be just as great as M2K and Mango. I have no reason to believe Nintendo would be so restrictive in any hypothetical tournament, but I do know that if they host a circuit that you guys will dominate it. If anything, maybe Nintendo should keep items so that things are more random and there's less of a threat of new players being locked out.

 

[guedes the brawler]

Yeah, but that's not Nintendo's fault. They don't set up the scene. YOU guys do

Also, where was it said they were balancing around FD?

the fact that they have an entire mode around it, and only it, says it's being looked at. For all the dissapointing roster pciks and the lack of battlefield, i am trusting Sakurai would balance stuff a bit around it. Not that much, but probably enough that Falco won't be able to destroy people with camping and such.

but i never said they were going to balance around it, but the fact is: it's what the game offers us for a competitive mode. it's the safest bet they could pull. 'im not saying it will 100% happen, neither i do care because nintendo will never od anything like that in brazil, but i'm saying it's a possibility.

And how i'd love to set up the scene. it's so barren over here.

 

[guedes the brawler]

I apologize, I forgot to address accessibility.

IMO Accessibility may be a non-issue depending on the type of tournament. If the tournament is aimed at being on the more serious side (with top pro players entering) you would expect that there would be guidelines as to rules and processes to competing. In the digital age it is not difficult to distribute this information before, during, and after sign-up. All tournaments, smash or otherwise, have rules and guidelines that you must follow when you* attend, and as a tournament goer you* have a responsibility to read and understand them.

On top of that, we don't even know all of the "game setting" options available to use yet in sm4sh. Brawl had the ability to disable stages from the random stage select. Nintendo may have had foresight to include a feature to complete disable the stage from being selected in options.

note: you* is meant as a general statement for all tournament goers, not you specifically.

of course not me; i'd kill to ahve a chance at going to some tournaments, but there is not a space for me in the scene on brazil: the few people that do play are too high levle (in all 4 gameS) for me to be able to compete.

 

[simpleglitch]

but i never said they were going to balance around it, but the fact is: it's what the game offers us for a competitive mode. it's the safest bet they could pull.

Be careful saying this. There is another thread that has turned into a spiraled into a grammar argument because someone started using "competitive" and "tournament" enter-changeably. FD versions of each stage are definatly for competitive matches, but competitive matches are not necessarily tournament matches (like all squares are rectangles...). On top of that FD isn't always the a "balanced" stage for each match-up. Some characters do great with no platforms, other characters suffer a bit without them.

of course not me; i'd kill to ahve a chance at going to some tournaments, but there is not a space for me in the scene on brazil: the few people that do play are too high levle (in all 4 gameS) for me to be able to compete.

Central Wisconsin doesn't get a lot of big tournaments either. I suppose I could drive to Illinois, but I'm not really willing to take off of work to do so.