Nintendo should just release Melee on eshop.

[mistersl56]

Seeing as how it is still in demand even after 14 years, they should release it as one of those virtual console titles for the young kids who never grew up with it or for Gamecube-less people.

 

[Minato]

I'm hoping they'll hold off on it a bit if they do. Release it when they have their new console with a better account system.

Even better if they want to go the HD Remaster route.

 

[Iceweasel]

I don't see why they'd bother, the Melee fans are going to complain anyways.

 

[Minato]

I don't see why they'd bother, the Melee fans are going to complain anyways.

Yeah, thanks for the post on trying to stir things up against smash fans for no good reason. Not helping the look of Smash 4 fans either. Anyone attempting to do this again is getting more than a warning for derailing the thread, no matter what game you're trying to defend or attack.

Just remember that any time you're doing this, you're not defending your game by saying this stuff, you're hurting your own franchise's community.

 

[Grizzmeister]

An HD remaster of Melee would be epic!

 

[κomıc]

If they do, they need to do a massive rework on the clunky controls. It certainly hasn't aged well.

 

[BlueX]

A HD Melee would be really cool. What do you think of the Melee HD mod?

 

[gmBottles]

If they do, they need to do a massive rework on the clunky controls. It certainly hasn't aged well.

Care to explain? I'm interested to hear how you think the game hasn't aged well. As far as I can tell the game has aged perfectly!

If they released Melee on the eShop, they had better not change anything about it, or they'll probably either not sell as many or people will be upset. I doubt they would change anything but it's definitely possible.

 

[MarthZ]

if nintendo can't even make 64 with out frame problems melee is going to be worse

 

[HeavyLobster]

if nintendo can't even make 64 with out frame problems melee is going to be worse

True enough. A rebalanced Melee HD(mostly focused around buffing low tiers rather than changing high tiers people have been playing for years) with online play would be much better, maybe with features like the option to turn on automatic l-cancelling to make it more accessible(along with custom controls). Though they'd probably not want to release it anytime soon for fear of it messing with Smash 4 sales. Maybe as a launch title for Nintendo NX or something? They do love their remakes as a cheap way to drive sales for new systems.(Ocarina 3D, WWHD, MM3D/Xenoblade for New N3DS) Honestly online Melee for those without a gaming PC + emulator(me) would be what I'd really be excited for.

 

[MarthZ]

True enough. A rebalanced Melee HD(mostly focused around buffing low tiers rather than changing high tiers people have been playing for years) with online play would be much better, maybe with features like the option to turn on automatic l-cancelling to make it more accessible(along with custom controls). Though they'd probably not want to release it anytime soon for fear of it messing with Smash 4 sales. Maybe as a launch title for Nintendo NX or something? They do love their remakes as a cheap way to drive sales for new systems.(Ocarina 3D, WWHD, MM3D/Xenoblade for New N3DS) Honestly online Melee for those without a gaming PC + emulator(me) would be what I'd really be excited for.

yeah but the graphics of smash melee are good enough and plus graphics also cause frame problems

 

[HeavyLobster]

yeah but the graphics of smash melee are good enough and plus graphics also cause frame problems

The main draw for Melee HD would be online, which is tough to put into a VC port. A properly optimized remake shouldn't cause any more frame problems than Smash 4 does anyway.

 

[Atrabilious]

HD remake with online multiplayer component would go down a treat, I think.

Part of me would be tempted to wish for some sort of rebalancing (buffing lower tier characters), but I don't think Nintendo/Sakurai/whoever would be capable of doing it without messing up one of the aspects that defines it's competitive meta and upsetting a lot of people in the process. So just prettier graphics and online would be the safer option methinks.

 

[Grizzmeister]

I really want Nintendo to release a Super Smash Bros. Collection with HD versions of both the original N64 iteration of Super Smash Bros. and Melee from the GameCube era. Both with on-line support, of course. Throw in a 1080p version of Brawl with the ability to turn off tripping in the options menu and you'd have the perfect box set.

 

[LunarWingCloud]

They wouldn't make a Melee HD, that would cut into sales for the new game, it'd be a bad business decision. Smash makes its money off of fresh installments.

Although a port would still be nice. And sheesh, can we get a Wii U system update to make most games compatible with GameCube adapter? It really should not be that hard to do, and would be most welcomed.

 

[MarthZ]

they'd just screw it up altogether too all that we can do now is find a way to mod smash 4

 

[BlueX]

they'd just screw it up altogether too all that we can do now is find a way to mod smash 4

I don't know SSB4 kinda already feels like Melee TBH.

 

[Lore]

I don't know SSB4 kinda already feels like Melee TBH.

With zero shieldstun, very low hitstun, the rage mechanic, greatly increased aerial landing lag, and a lower amount of ground movement options, I don't quite see how this is the case.

 

[MarthZ]

With zero shieldstun, very low hitstun, the rage mechanic, greatly increased aerial landing lag, and a lower amount of ground movement options, I don't quite see how this is the case.

I think hes just saying its faster than brawl

 

[BlueX]

I think hes just saying its faster than brawl

Yeah it is actually alot faster than Brawl I was wrong on the fact that it's like Melee sorry.

 

[MarthZ]

Yeah it is actually alot faster than Brawl I was wrong on the fact that it's like Melee sorry.

Well I stopped playing smash wii u when i figured out 2 people could grab the ledge

 

[κomıc]

Care to explain? I'm interested to hear how you think the game hasn't aged well. As far as I can tell the game has aged perfectly!

If they released Melee on the eShop, they had better not change anything about it, or they'll probably either not sell as many or people will be upset. I doubt they would change anything but it's definitely possible.

The controls are clunky. Comparing it to other games released in the same time frame, Melee stands out to me as the most unpolished games published by Nintendo. Maybe I'm very sensitive to controls now and more aware. Back then, there was really nothing like Smash Bros to compare to 1:1.

Pay close attention: I'm not saying it is a terrible game. I enjoyed it for the time. But it's not a game I ever see myself ever going back to. I honestly believe if a new Smash game came out 3 years after Melee with more refinements and polish, Melee wouldn't have the amount of praise it has today. But that 7 year gap really skews people's perception of the game of being "perfect competitively" (which is fine). But holistically and outside of that bubble, the game doesn't hold up.

We can blame the 13-month rushed development cycle. I mean, it was a game that was rushed out to meet the launch of the Gamecube. And I have a similar feeling with Smash 4 and the issues it has- but it isn't as rough around the edges as Melee.

 

[K7Sniper]

The question I'm wondering is why would they make an HD remake of Melee when they have Smash 4? Two smash bros games on the same system doesnt really make sense to me.

 

[MarthZ]

The question I'm wondering is why would they make an HD remake of Melee when they have Smash 4? Two smash bros games on the same system doesnt really make sense to me.

they mean for the nintendo NX

 

[HeavyLobster]

With zero shieldstun, very low hitstun, the rage mechanic, greatly increased aerial landing lag, and a lower amount of ground movement options, I don't quite see how this is the case.

Hitstun's the same as Melee, the only difference is that you can now airdodge out of tumble, which takes away no more than a couple of frames from effective hitstun. The main difference in the number of combos is fall speed. SLHG feels very close to Melee as far as combos go.

 

[SirJuicius]

The only reason I'd want there to be a Melee remake is to hear the OoT Ganondorf's voice and actually play as Ganondorf. I can't stand him in Brawl and Wii U. He's just so clunky compared to Melee. With that said though, I don't think Melee needs a remake and if there were to be a remake, I'm not sure it would be to a lot of Melee fans' liking. The game would get a major overhaul in the mechanics so it would not have those unintentional mistakes (i.e. wavedashing).

If we're talking about what the topic creator said and just releasing it on the eshop, I don't have a problem with that, although I'd probably wait until November during holiday season to release the game on the eshop.

 

[mistersl56]

they mean for the nintendo NX

They already got a new system made? What about everybody with a Wii U? Are they just gonna discontinue service for it that soon?

 

[BlueX]

They already got a new system made? What about everybody with a Wii U? Are they just gonna discontinue service for it that soon?

It's annouced. It's not actually released yet.

 

[SirJuicius]

It's annouced. It's not actually released yet.

I can't believe how fast they're announcing this. I know it won't be ready for a few years, but the Wii U isn't even three years old.

 

[MarthZ]

its a concept its not even in a beta and when they announced it there wasn't a tech demo

 

[mistersl56]

It's annouced. It's not actually released yet.

I know it's only an announcement. But I think it's a bit to soon to even announce a new system when the Wii U hasn't even made it to 5 years yet.

 

[MarthZ]

well its not next gen and with NX out the only reason I see that they made the wii U is to make a wii in HD n stuff

 

[BlueX]

I can't believe how fast they're announcing this. I know it won't be ready for a few years, but the Wii U isn't even three years old.

Yeah don't announce a new console if the one you are currently selling isn't even 4 year's old yet.

 

[K7Sniper]

they mean for the nintendo NX

Oh, in that case they might as well just make a new Smash, like they have done for all systems.

Maybe not force it to be an almost-identical title to the handheld version so we can get Ice Climbers back

Yeah don't announce a new console if the one you are currently selling isn't even 4 year's old yet.

They average about 5-6 years between console releases. Announcing the thing a year or two early isn't uncommon at all really. They did the same thing with all their systems, and it's not like the system is coming out this holiday season.

 

[SirJuicius]

Oh, in that case they might as well just make a new Smash, like they have done for all systems.

Maybe not force it to be an almost-identical title to the handheld version so we can get Ice Climbers back



They average about 5-6 years between console releases. Announcing the thing a year or two early isn't uncommon at all really. They did the same thing with all their systems, and it's not like the system is coming out this holiday season.

The point I was making was that Nintendo is kind of riding on good momentum right now. Smash sales and in general, Wii U sales, are slowly increasing. With games such as the new Star Fox, Legend of Zelda, Yoshi (I wouldn't expect it to get massive interest, but enough interest from loyal Nintendo fans), Fire Emblem and Mario Maker coming out, this is a great time to be investing in a Wii U, and if those who bought it just to see what the main franchise games are like and enjoy what they see, they'll purchase more. The way I see it, announcing this right now isn't the best idea, when you're still trying to drive in sales from the Wii U. It'll just make potential investors hesitate to commit to the Wii U and just wait for the next console.

 

[Minato]

While it sort of is early, I really don't mind the decision from Nintendo. If you look at it at both sides, yeah, you can make a good case on being announced too early in the Wii U's life. At the same time, we're already 2.5 years into the Wii U's life. Judging from when the NX might release (in 1.5 to 2.5 years), I feel like most gamers would have expected the Wii U's successor to be out or discussed. It's beginning to have good momentum right now, like you said, but to who? The Nintendo loyalists. A lot of Nintendo fans have pretty much gotten their hands on the console. For the list of known upcoming titles, not a lot of them will grab people outside of that hardcore fanbase. The only one left is Zelda, and I think it's a system seller regardless if the console successor is being discussed.

Bringing up investors is actually interesting since that's actually a big important part. Not the potential investors of consumers, but the real investors that invest stock. Apparently the news of DeNA (and to a lesser extent, the NX), is exactly what they wanted to hear. Stocks went up over 30 percent after the news.

I feel like Nintendo realizes there isn't much to salvage in this situation, and they're mostly supporting the Wii U for the loyal hardcore fans. Nintendo knows that they had to make big changes and get people excited.

Tying into this topic, I'm expecting Nintendo to redo everything regarding eshop and virtual console. I really don't want an eshop release of Melee when the infrastructure's future is a little shaky. I expect them to start over from scratch. Plus a port of Melee 3 gens after the gamecube sounds like a good amount of time for a rerelease and to help market an inevitable Smash 5.

Marketing it after Smash 4 on the same console isn't going to increase hype outside of core Melee players compared to releasing it around the announcement of the sequel. It's common for most fighting games to do this, and it's a smart strategy.

 

[MarthZ]

The point I was making was that Nintendo is kind of riding on good momentum right now. Smash sales and in general, Wii U sales, are slowly increasing. With games such as the new Star Fox, Legend of Zelda, Yoshi (I wouldn't expect it to get massive interest, but enough interest from loyal Nintendo fans), Fire Emblem and Mario Maker coming out, this is a great time to be investing in a Wii U, and if those who bought it just to see what the main franchise games are like and enjoy what they see, they'll purchase more. The way I see it, announcing this right now isn't the best idea, when you're still trying to drive in sales from the Wii U. It'll just make potential investors hesitate to commit to the Wii U and just wait for the next console.

the sales of the wii u crashed and burned after october its not all that much gone down more like stayed the same but in october it out sold the xbox one and the ps4 and thats pretty big

 

[MarthZ]

While it sort of is early, I really don't mind the decision from Nintendo. If you look at it at both sides, yeah, you can make a good case on being announced too early in the Wii U's life. At the same time, we're already 2.5 years into the Wii U's life. Judging from when the NX might release (in 1.5 to 2.5 years), I feel like most gamers would have expected the Wii U's successor to be out or discussed. It's beginning to have good momentum right now, like you said, but to who? The Nintendo loyalists. A lot of Nintendo fans have pretty much gotten their hands on the console. For the list of known upcoming titles, not a lot of them will grab people outside of that hardcore fanbase. The only one left is Zelda, and I think it's a system seller regardless if the console successor is being discussed.

Bringing up investors is actually interesting since that's actually a big important part. Not the potential investors of consumers, but the real investors that invest stock. Apparently the news of DeNA (and to a lesser extent, the NX), is exactly what they wanted to hear. Stocks went up over 30 percent after the news.

I feel like Nintendo realizes there isn't much to salvage in this situation, and they're mostly supporting the Wii U for the loyal hardcore fans. Nintendo knows that they had to make big changes and get people excited.

Tying into this topic, I'm expecting Nintendo to redo everything regarding eshop and virtual console. I really don't want an eshop release of Melee when the infrastructure's future is a little shaky. I expect them to start over from scratch. Plus a port of Melee 3 gens after the gamecube sounds like a good amount of time for a rerelease and to help market an inevitable Smash 5.

Marketing it after Smash 4 on the same console isn't going to increase hype outside of core Melee players compared to releasing it around the announcement of the sequel. It's common for most fighting games to do this, and it's a smart strategy.

I really don't see a smash 5 happening I think sakurai is happy of what he made and he knows hes done alot in his time i think its time for smash to simmer down abit until maybe 7 years pass

The NX is getting too much hype from investors on the other hand I mean its just a concept but in Austrailia you can already get pre orders as if its the playstation 2 Nintendo is probs gonna screw up the NX anyway rather it be that within the first year it didn't come with the wii mote no hype with release games or just horrible specs that make it inferior to the xbox one or ps4

Also Amiibo hasn't even had a full year yes it may seem like it but I have not waited a year for my Marth amiibo so how is that going to carry over to the NX unless you can some how use amiibo from the wii u then the consumer will have a problem but even with amiibo that still doesn't bring hype

 

[SirJuicius]

While it sort of is early, I really don't mind the decision from Nintendo. If you look at it at both sides, yeah, you can make a good case on being announced too early in the Wii U's life. At the same time, we're already 2.5 years into the Wii U's life. Judging from when the NX might release (in 1.5 to 2.5 years), I feel like most gamers would have expected the Wii U's successor to be out or discussed. It's beginning to have good momentum right now, like you said, but to who? The Nintendo loyalists. A lot of Nintendo fans have pretty much gotten their hands on the console. For the list of known upcoming titles, not a lot of them will grab people outside of that hardcore fanbase. The only one left is Zelda, and I think it's a system seller regardless if the console successor is being discussed.

Bringing up investors is actually interesting since that's actually a big important part. Not the potential investors of consumers, but the real investors that invest stock. Apparently the news of DeNA (and to a lesser extent, the NX), is exactly what they wanted to hear. Stocks went up over 30 percent after the news.

I feel like Nintendo realizes there isn't much to salvage in this situation, and they're mostly supporting the Wii U for the loyal hardcore fans. Nintendo knows that they had to make big changes and get people excited.

Tying into this topic, I'm expecting Nintendo to redo everything regarding eshop and virtual console. I really don't want an eshop release of Melee when the infrastructure's future is a little shaky. I expect them to start over from scratch. Plus a port of Melee 3 gens after the gamecube sounds like a good amount of time for a rerelease and to help market an inevitable Smash 5.

Marketing it after Smash 4 on the same console isn't going to increase hype outside of core Melee players compared to releasing it around the announcement of the sequel. It's common for most fighting games to do this, and it's a smart strategy.

Really digging the response. And when you mention that it's been 2.5 years, yeah, you probably are correct to say that it's probably expected that we hear about this now. I guess since I didn't really get the Wii U in 2012, it hasn't felt like 2.5 years. I was thinking last night about how long it took for Nintendo to reveal their plans about the Wii, and I would have to imagine it was somewhere around 2003-2004. So the timing of this is actually more normal than I thought.

But I do think to some extent the Wii U has sold well to people outside of the loyal Nintendo audience. Now will they purchase all the games I've mentioned? Probably not, but there are those in that audience who will give some of the games a go. But regarding the investors, it's really good news for Nintendo. Now it's not game-changing in terms of how the video game industry landscape will be impacted, but it'll help Nintendo expand into other ventures and reach old audiences, as well as new ones.

And to get back on topic, I think with the likelihood of Sakurai not developing the next Smash game (usually I take that kind of news with a grain of salt, but he's taken physical tolls from making Smash 4 to where I think he's just content with being done), we wouldn't see this exactly be released as a port to help market Smash 5. It would do more in helping Nintendo itself than anything or anyone else. Smash 5 will have a new team and they'll likely have their own marketing plan.

 

[TimeSmash]

I heard that Iwata announced the NX to ensure gamers and people in general that they weren't leaving the console and video game market behind in spite of their new endeavors, the most notable likely being the announcement of their QOL division and entry into mobile gaming. As others have said it was a smart move businesswise, and also told gamers they weren't leaving anytime soon.

I'd love a rerelease of Melee but I really don't need it right now since I have a copy. But eventually it may not work and then digital may be the way to go. I wonder if there would be input lag